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- Howdy folks?
I'm Bob Schrupp, Physical Therapist.
- Brad Heineck, Physical Therapist.
- And together we are the most famous physical therapists
on the internet.
- In our opinion, of course.
- Brad, I just recently had on
Dr. Robert Schleip on our podcast.
- Schleip?
- Yes, and this is the guy that knows everything
there is to know about fascia.
So we're going to show fascia.
- He wrote a book on it?
- Yes-
- A couple of books?
- he wrote several books.
- Several books, so he's an expert.
- We're gonna show you our screen the fascia of the back.
- Okay.
- [Bob] So we just wanted to show you
a diagram of the fascia in your back.
This is somewhat of a good representation,
but the white stuff represents fascia.
The fascia does go up into the muscles everywhere.
- [Brad] Right.
- [Bob] But it's a thinner, but so again,
as they already have a round circle around it,
it actually has a lot of pain sensor fibers.
So if that fascia is bound down, cause we mentioned
as two layers as not gliding on each other.
- [Brad] Sure.
- [Bob] It can cause you a lot of pain and be a result.
I mean, as a result that's where your pain is coming from,
not the muscle.
- [Brad] Right, and then you lose mobility
and flexibility with that.
- Right.
- So you get the motion back, you break the fast up,
get things sliding, you know, all over.
And the muscles that connect muscle to muscle,
fascia to fascia and life becomes much better.
- Yup, be happy.
But we're talking about this tough fibrous material
that encompasses muscles.
- Right.
- And it actually provides also a sensation.
- Right.
- So there's a lot of pain sensors in your back.
So you have the fascia of your back is supposed to
slide the along its extrude layers.
- Sure.
- And often it gets bound down.
If you don't move enough
or don't keep the back moving to enough.
- So instead of sliding across each other
like it should have, it sticks.
- Yup.
- And that can irritate pain receptors and those things.
- Yeah.
- So we're going to show you why
you do want to foam roll your back,
but you don't want to do it wrong.
- Right.
- You're right.
- Wrong, right, yeah.
- Well, let's show them.
- All right, well, so years ago, Brad,
and I felt like when you do your low back,
if you do a foam roller on your low back,
like this, what's going to happen
is you jam the Facets together and-
- So this is when you're lying on the floor
and you're rolling across the mid back.
Then you get by your belt line,
if for me it's uncomfortable.
- Right, So we can say, just don't do that.
- Mm-hmm.
- The mid back, Okay.
- Yup.
- Because the way the Facets are structured.
- Sure.
- But low back, no way.
So I talked to him about it.
- Yeah.
- He made this suggestion to do it against the wall.
- All right.
- So, Brad, do you want to show that?
- Absolutely.
Now? Oh, now.
So we're going to show them
with this bumpy one that vibrates.
- Pretty aggressive.
- Yep, you can use a regular foam roller just to like-
- Yep.
- They make actually short ones too, which I have.
- Probably recommended when you first start.
- Yep.
- Its the one that's less aggressive.
- So you can, I'm not going to turn.
This one actually vibrates to get in a little deeper.
I'm just going to start with it often.
You know, I can roll it here
and I can go to one side
depending on where those knots are
or where your pain is and work it.
And then I can, now I can tolerate this.
- Right.
- On my lumbar spine, where if I'm lying on the floor
in supine or face up, this is not tolerable.
It's just feels like it hurts.
It's not a good thing, it's not like it hurts so good.
It's like, it hurts bad.
Should I, should we try the-
- Sure, try that, turn that on, Brad.
- So again, you don't have to have
one of these vibrating ones.
- If you slide the button upper.
- Yep, I got it. It has a number of speeds.
I'm going to turn that up actually as high as it goes.
So can you hear that vibrating a little bit?
There we go.
And,
this actually feels pretty good,
especially if I go to one side and you know,
you could feel where it feels like-
- So again, if those two layers are stuck together,
this is going to help that, you also want to walk a lot.
Moving is really good for it, swinging your arms.
- Yep.
- You know, how does fascia pain feel?
You know, first off, it's very diffuse.
Like when you have pain, that's from fascia in your back.
It's not pinpoint. It's not like,
oh, that hurts right here.
It's like spread out.
- Sure.
Oh, you going to keep talking about.
I'm having fun.
- So as an alternative, if you don't want to
buy a foam roller, you could take the tennis ball
or you could take the softball,
which would be more aggressive.
And you could work on just one side.
So don't put it in the middle.
Just work on one side at a time.
- Oh, you mean against the wall?
- No, on the floor.
- Oh, the floor.
- Because you could tolerate this now.
- Yep.
- So I'm going to get down.
I'm going to actually put it on one side
and I can roll along on that.
Now this isn't very aggressive,
because I'm on a soft surface.
- Right, so if you're doing it on your bed,
it's not going to be very effective.
- Want to be a little more aggressive,
you could use a soft ball.
Now this would be enough even on this surface
because it's thick enough, so.
- And obviously pretty hard and aggressive.
- You could sit on it for 30 seconds and then move.
- Yep.
- Or you can move back and forth, like Brad likes to do.
- Isn't there some basketball player
you mentioned that actually uses softball.
- A NBA player, that actually used it, he's retired now.
- Oh he's retired.
- But he went through his forties.
I mean, he played until his forties.
- Right, right.
So he's trying to keep his muscles soft and subtle.
- He's used to softball-
- There's a football player that uses that same concept.
- Yep, so again, the back fascia
has a lot of pain receptors.
- Sure.
- So we want to, you know, and the pain should feel,
oh, that feels good.
You know, like, oh that hurts, but it feels good.
- Hurts so good.
- Yeah, hurts so good.
It hurts and then particularly when you're done,
it's like, oh, that loosened it up.
That really feels good.
- Right.
- Then, you know, you're doing the right thing
and it's possible you don't have fascia pain
and it might be a disc or something like that.
And maybe you do this and it hurts.
And then it hurts when you're done.
And so again, if it hurts when you're done.
- Fascia, if it's again, tends to be spread out.
- Mm-hmm.
- Now it's into the into the legs, like a [indistinct].
And it tends to hurt when you bend forward like this.
- And you're stretching it, irritating it.
Cause it's not sliding like it should.
- So a lot of things hurts, when you go that way,
so, it also tends to be, I don't know what they mean
when they say this, Brad, but it's supposed to be
a emotional type of pain, like-
I know it's weird, but they say like its a mean pain.
- Yeah.
- Like they often assign emotion to it.
- So when you get that face.
- Yeah, yeah.
- As supposed to.
- What did you just say?
- No, I don't say it's a family show, I understand.
- All right, so as very quick video,
but I want you to know that you could foam roll your back.
Just do it the right way.
- Right, use the ball.
- Yep.
- Absolutely.
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- Yeah.
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- Oh, sure enough Bob, I am just kidding.
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