- I remember when the Internet got a hold of that outfit
and they wanted to like burn us at the stake.
Internet wanted our heads. - People went insane.
- This was all your fault, but go ahead.
- (laughing) All my fault.
Hi, I'm Danny Santiago.
- And I'm Molly Rogers.
And we're the co-costume designers of
"And Just Like That." - Like that.
- Most people think that it's super glamorous.
Like Danny and I are toasting each other with bubbles
at 1:00 PM.
- We wish.
- And then we're lollygagging through Saks.
And it's really quite, it's not glamorous.
- We loved that outfit.
The moment she put those colors, you know, tried it on
and all those colors came together on her with her skin tone
and the hair, we just fell in love with that outfit.
- Oh, those colors were so rich together.
- Rich jewel tones on that. That was so nice.
- And that was a happy colored outfit for me.
- Yeah.
- Maybe she was handling his ashes in a shoebox,
I don't remember.
- Yeah.
- But that combination signified that life
is starting to go on for me.
- Yeah.
- You know, that was our homage to Yves Saint Laurent.
- Yeah, but to like original seventies Yves Saint Laurent.
- Yeah.
- That was a vintage seventies Yves Saint Laurent blouse
and a skirt that we had that, again,
the silhouette had a very seventies Saint Laurent vibe
to it.
We search and search and search.
And we, I mean, that's something that we love
and that's something I feel that's part
of the tradition of the show.
You know, something that Molly and Pat had always done,
they've always brought in amazing vintage pieces
because it makes it one of a kind to the character.
Nobody else can have it.
And it really gave Carrie the style of individual fashion.
You know, she had her own look. It gave her her own look.
She never wore anything that looked like it was
from the runway, right off the runway.
- I found this really interesting-
- Yeah.
- What happened here.
Well, the script called for Carrie
to wake up the next morning
and not wear what she had on the night before,
but to pull something out of her closet
that she would just go back
to Mr Big and her's apartment in.
And we, Sarah Jessica, Danny, and I were in love with this.
I don't know what you call that dress,
but it was white satin
and it had red felt or velvet roses on it.
- Roses on it, uh-huh.
- And it was so stunning on her.
So we all decided, yeah, great idea. Love that.
- And Carrie being Carrie in this outfit,
she goes to the bodega to get her coffee for the morning.
- Right.
- And Michael Patrick King came in.
- Yeah.
- Well he came into the room and saw the picture
of the white satin dress and was like,
what are you guys doing?
- Yeah.
- "This is an opportunity."
And we were like, what?
Like that didn't cross my mind
to put her in something quirky.
- Yeah.
- I thought, throw something elevated on.
- Right.
- Then when we thought about that was his intention,
that she really comes out and it's a moment,
we were like, okay, grab the crinoline.
- Yeah.
- Well, well, well.
- This was a stunt. (laughing)
- Wow.
For me, that is quintessential Carrie silhouette.
- Yeah.
Oscar de la Renta.
- Yeah.
- We called it the Magnolia-
- Dress, because of the print of it.
And it was something that we were looking for for the scene.
We knew that it had to be something really special.
And we didn't really have anything specific at that point.
And then we went to talk to Sarah Jessica about it
in the trailer.
And she kind of said, "Well, what about Oscar?"
You know, Fernando Garcia.
And he was two blocks away from the trailer.
We were in SoHo shooting.
- Lucky.
I mean, she wore that silhouette
in the McDonald's with the Russian.
- Right.
- We had a great relationship with him on the original show.
And now it's back again. (laughing)
- So we've got a story on this
because we sort of put this outfit together
and in a lot of ways,
it wasn't what we typically would've put her in
because it is very simple.
There's, you know, it's plain
and it's not necessarily something that we thought
it looked like a Carrie put together outfit.
And if you can see the jacket,
we didn't tailor it purposely for that
because we wanted her to sort of hide in it a little bit.
You know what I mean?
It kind of gave her that, like, she could be a little bit,
you know, kind of comfort herself
and just sort of hide away.
Like you would just cover herself
in a blanket type of thing.
So we didn't do a lot of tailoring for this jacket.
- I remember when the Internet got a hold of that outfit
and they wanted to like burn us at the stake.
They-
- That happened a lot.
- Were so angry that we would put her in a low shoe
like that, put a jacket that was too long in the sleeve.
Her hair would not be really, like she's at grieving.
- She's not thinking about getting dressed up.
- She's not styling herself.
- She's not styling herself in this look.
- This is the episode that Cynthia Nixon directed.
- Yep, it is.
When she walked on set in her, you know,
clothing for that scene inside the Indian clothing shop
that Seema and Carrie walk around in,
I walked to set with her and I was like,
do not look around in this store
because you're gonna see something that you're gonna like-
- And of course.
- Better than what you're wearing
and those things aren't cheap.
- Yeah.
- And she was like, okay.
And then she walked in and she was like,
oh, what about that one?
And I was like, don't do it.
Don't look, don't look, there's so many pretty things there.
- Oh wow.
- And she stuck with the original.
- Yeah.
- The Internet went wild for that one.
- They went crazy for it.
Again, because this was shot on the streets.
The paparazzis got this shot.
So it wasn't even when it aired,
it was on all these different fashion sites
that she's wearing this dress.
And what was the dress?
And people identified it to be Norma Kamali.
And I think within like a day and a half,
they sold every single dress out.
- Her body in that dress is, it just says everything
a New York woman out on a night.
- Right.
- And the lighting behind her that they
lit that alleyway- - It was so beautiful.
- You know what alleys are like in New York?
They're not golden.
One of my favorite outfits.
- Yes, one of both of our favorite outfits.
- I should be (frowning)-
- Yeah.
- Because of the scene. But I'm (smiling).
- It was beautiful.
- It was the perfect dress for the scene.
And we had so many contenders for it. Yeah, every brand.
- I would call every brand like Dior.
And I would say to them, I need a black dress.
And I can't tell you why. - We couldn't say why.
We couldn't say why.
- And they would say a cocktail dress?
And I would be like, no something a little.
And some people were like,
I'm not sending you guys a black dress.
If I get on that show, I want it to be,
get a black dress anywhere.
- Peacock dress, you know, they want magenta, or floral,
or something else.
You know, they all try to push other things
that they wanted,
but they didn't really understand what it was
that we were looking for.
- The ballerina vibe.
It's sedated, it's quiet, it's somber, but it's 100 Carrie.
- 100%.
- And then (clicking) pizza.
- That little plate,
we kept that calling that hat the plate.
It just framed the whole thing.
It framed her face.
And it also allowed her to sort of hide with her acting.
You know what I mean?
It gave her something to be able to be solemn and hide
and sort of, it really helped, I think,
within the scene and how she sort of acted that scene out.
- And I adore Sarah Jessica for wearing these $10 shoes
that one of the shoppers found in a thrift store.
She adored them.
She wanted to burn them at the end, 'cause this took what,
three days, two days.
- Three days.
- She was like, those shoes were so painful.
'Cause they were made outta cardboard or something.
I love this picture of these three girls.
- Yeah, yeah.
- That is classic Charlotte Goldenblatt,
looking like Jackie O in Christian Dior.
- They sent that from the runway show.
- Mm-hm.
- And it was a beautiful, beautiful dress.
She's very Jackie O.
- Yes, we didn't get it out of a museum in Orlando, did we?
- No, we didn't.
- And that's classic Miranda.
- Yeah.
- She has such a beautiful long neck-
- Beautiful long neck.
- Cynthia.
- Mm-hm, and the tailoring.
- You deep do a V on her.
- So beautiful.
- You threw a shoulder pad in there.
- Mm-hm, yep.
- Good one approved.
That's the day that we did that fake outfit too
to trick everyone.
- Yeah, yeah.
When she walked out with Big, yeah.
- And she has the bird hat on.
- Bird hat.
- And she has this polka dot skirt and she's with him. Yes.
- And we just thought, you know-
- Love that shoe with it.
- Kinda take it off into a different direction.
'Cause people had so many ideas of what those scenes
were gonna be that we were doing it.
So just to sort of throw off the scent,
we decided let's her put her in this
and have her walk on the street with Big in it.
- Got a lot of attention.
- There was a bird on her head again and people thought,
oh, are they renewing her vows?
What what's going on there?
Why would she be wearing a bird on her head again?
It got a lot, a lot of attention on it.
And that was a vintage dress again.
And then we used a pair of Miu Miu heels here.
- Oh right.
- That she actually wore when she rang the bell
at the New York Stock Exchange.
- In the original show.
- In the original show
- Woohoohoo, one of my favorites.
- That's one of Molly's favorites.
- This was Danny's vintage dress.
- Yeah.
- Carriefy it.
- It has like a little bustle on the back of it,
this beautiful satin bustle.
Which looked beautiful because in the scene
she ends up laying down on this gorgeous pillow
that actually Molly designed.
And the draping of the little tail on the back,
it just worked so beautifully in there.
- It was perfect for her to sit on the floor.
- Uh-huh.
- She instinctively knows how to place herself.
- How to place herself, yep.
- It works the garment.
She cut that sweatshirt that I found.
- Yeah.
- In the fitting she'll lay it on the floor.
She'll say everybody stand back, I've got scissors.
She likes to cut them herself.
- She likes to cut her own sweatshirts, yeah.
- She likes to do the neck.
Yeah, and then she tied it in a knot in the back,
rolled up the sleeves, 'cause it's big on her.
- Yeah.
- And it was such a great thing to pair
with that beautiful vintage dress of Danny's.
- Yeah.
- The Internet wanted our heads.
That actually is something that one
of the writers used to do, go outside and smoke,
and think about scripts and blah, blah, blah.
And didn't want any smoke on them,
so they would put all kinds of things on,
gloves, hoodies and "Grey Gardens."
- "Grey Gardens," Edie Beale.
We were so, you know,-
- All day long.
Once we saw that, we were like, it's Edie.
- The code name for this scene,
so no one would know what was happening, was waterworks.
- Yeah.
- Because she ends up in the shower with him.
And we had her in this beautiful dress,
one of the first dresses you found.
- Yeah.
- At the outlet mall in Florida.
Gorgeous, we loved it. She loved it. Everybody loved it.
Until Michael Patrick King came in and said,
"When she's on the shower floor, we'll never see her shoes."
- 'Cause the skirt will cover the shoes.
- And it was a very important story part.
- Yeah.
- 'Cause the shoes are supposed to lose the blue dye
in the circle.
So at the last minute it was a Tibi pant.
I love Tibi though.
- Yeah.
- There you are, in all your glory, the Versace gown.
It's great to pull that stuff out of the past.
- Yeah.
- And feature it and eat popcorn in it,
sitting in the window.
Classic Carrie.
- Eating Jiffy Pop popcorn.
- Yeah.
- This was all your fault, but go ahead.
- All my fault.
This outfit got a lot of controversy.
Again, they wanted our heads for it.
This was a dress that had no label on it.
We had it in our room for the fitting.
It was something that was bought in a thrift store.
Once the paparazzis had it out
and it was coming up on Instagram,
people kept identifying it
as two different types of dresses.
There was a dress that was purchased in Forever 21.
And there was a dress that came from an Indian designer.
And nobody knew what this dress was, where it came from.
So, of course, people were all up in arms
because why is she wearing fast fashion?
And there were so many different articles written
about it and stuff like that.
But we just didn't know.
I mean, we just knew that it was a dress that we liked
and something that we wore and it didn't have a label in it.
This for me was one of my favorite pieces of the show.
I think this was such a score also
because, you know, it was a Valentino couture gown.
We showed it to Sarah Jessica in one of our fittings.
And we were like, we showed it to her,
she fell in love with it.
And we were like, do we need to bring anything else in?
And she was like, no, that's the dress.
- We're both excited about season two.
And we're gonna try to serve it up again.
- Yeah.
- And I'm sure we will because we're gonna go
to all the honey holes, under every rock.
We're gonna have a blast.
- Look out for season two.
- Bye everyone.
- Bye guys.
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