Did the cameras affect you?
During this documentary?
No, no, no.
In the beginning of course of it.
It's not quite like a reality show
but they're ubiquitous, they're constantly.
And then you trust the people so therefore
you just, you know there's a camera.
But it's not anything you're playing to.
The reason I ask is because
when I watched you in the documentary,
I saw a lot of lie behavior.
A lot of behavior that I see when people are lying.
And I often saw it when I knew you weren't lying.
Because there were things that were not controverted.
And I'm watching you talk about this,
that's why I said, did the cameras affect you.
Because you were answering questions that weren't asked.
You would focus on irrelevant detail, ad nauseam
to deflect from the issues at hand.
I never saw you empathetically emoting
about your wife and her being dead.
You were joking with the lawyers almost every time
you got together with them.
I'm thinking this is so inappropriate
and I'm thinking this is got to be alienating
the court of public opinion.
Because I think people don't realize how far removed
from the loss and how much of the grief process
has taken place
and that's why I ask you if the cameras affected you.
No, but one of the things I'm sure you
or anybody would be aware of.
They were there for well over a year and a half.
Hundreds, maybe 500 hours of film
and they cut that down to not even 12 hours, 11 hours.
So what you're seeing is what is being presented
by the filmmaker.
Is this in the edit, is it that the cameras affected you
because your kids describe you as very much caring
for Kathleen.
Being very solicitous of her and deferential of her
and really being a devoted husband.
Which I thought balanced out what at times seemed
like callous behavior.
The documentary made it seem at times
like it was all about you and all about
whatever you were thinking, feeling
or whatever at the expense of your wife and your loss.
They certainly didn't include a lot about that
in the documentary.
Would you agree with that?
No, I've never seen the first nine episodes.
That was released when I was in prison.
You never watched that?
No, and then when I got out of prison,
I didn't wanna watch it.
It was like when my kids would come home
from the courtroom at night, say,
and they run in to watch Court TV
and I'd say, you were just there.
And they said, "Dad, it's a different show on TV
than what that was on in court."
And I didn't wanna see that.
Did I wanna see me being convicted?
Did I wanna see my children crying and go to?
No, I didn't wanna see any of that.
So I've never seen it, but I do know the editor real well
and I know she would not have in any way
tried to make me look terrible.
You say you knew the editor really well.
In fact, you dated the editor.
Well, uh, kind of hard to date anybody in prison.
But she came to see me many, many, many, many times
in prison and then we lived together when I got out
of prison for a while, yes.
Let me ask you this, you agreed to this documentary.
I've seen it, I watched it, start to finish
all 13 episodes.
Do you regret doing the documentary?
I don't know if I would be out today
unless it were for that documentary.
Because what they captured was the entire trial.
And they captured the main guy who was the prosecution
witness against me,
and he lied, he perjured himself.
And the experiment was junk.
Well in the closing argument the prosecutor
really leaned on Deavers very hard.
Oh absolutely.
Because he himself said a lot of this case
turned on Deaver's testimony
and then his testimony was called into question
because he lied not only in this case
but in many other and so it was not a big leap then
to say that the trial was biased and unfair.