I am working on a martyrs biopic where there is a scene
that my protagonist, Laxmibai she goes and she saves a calf.
So my crew had a huge discussion.
We halted the shoot and we are like she can’t save a calf, it has to be a lamb (Sadhguru
laughs), because we don’t want to look like cow savers.
So (Laughs) my point is that, when such a prejudice strikes as a person… as a person
you feel very protective of who you are and what your values are
and you want to save all the animals, why just cow?
But you definitely want to save the cow for sure because, you know, the prejudice is…
is really agonizing.
But a cow lynching pla… a lynching for cow takes place, and you look like an idiot
and then you jump to the other side, which is…
which has been always criticizing and never wanting to be protecting cows
and you are like these people look sensible, and these are so called liberals.
And now liberals by definition because I have learnt English now just recently,
so I have to access to dictionary for everything (Applause).
So…
(Applause) So by the literal meaning dictionary meaning
of liberal is people who have acceptance for people, opinions,
thoughts…
Sadhguru: No, no, they are fanatics (Laughter).
Kangana Ranaut: That’s what I am saying.
Now…
Sadhguru, let me finish this question (Laughs).
So these liberals, they will not take you in their group unless you hate the same people
as they do (Few laugh).
So one thing is it’s fine, if this is for the betterment of the country, you don’t
mind hating on BJP.
You don’t mind believing that everything that is been run by, you know, like Amit…
literally Amit Shah is practically doing, that’s fine but (Laughter) but what is (Applause).
No but what I don’t get is… what I don’t get is
- this I get - what I don’t get is, what is their agenda
and plan of action for bringing this country out of the pit?
What is that they are doing?
So when a war breaks, liberals are the first one to say,
from my industry, people say “Why should we be bothered with war, we are artists?”
To demotivating a army man who is protecting the borders for you.
Rape takes place in Kashmir, and they say “Hindustan raped our daughter.”
To be pointing fingers at each other when the country is so vulnerable and trying to
break a civil war?
Is that what liberals do?
And you’re like, wait a minute, the most sensible things seems like to be a... a skeptic.
But a skeptic is nothing but a space cadet.
Doesn’t know where he is going (Laughter).
So right now, we need a definite direction to go into.
We cannot be stuck in the unfortunate loop of “to be or not to be, to be or not to
be.”
So what to do (Applause)?
Sadhguru: Well, for a long time from that city that you were talking about,
they always thought asking this question, “to be or not to be,” is the most intelligent
thing to do (Laughter), there.
Because they rarely came to existential questions.
Existential questions is a daily affair for us in this country but they rarely came to
it.
So that is how rudimentary ways they addressed it.
They thought it’s a most intelligent question to ask “to be or not to be.”
I think it’s the dumbest question to ask because you have not tasted life.
When you’re really blissed out and ecstatic, do you ask “to be or not to be”?
In some way you are frustrated, some way you are burdened, so you are asking “to be or
not to be”.
Leave that aside.
That’s a thing.
First of all, today in the world people who claim to be liberals are actually fanatics.
If you do not agree with them, they’ll finish you in some way (Laughs).
So about Jhansi rani saving the cow, (Laughs) well, she is a woman who stands out in our
history, and you are just fortunate that you…
Kangana Ranaut: But she did save a cow, I am like,
“Listen guys, rather than fighting, why don’t you access the facts?”
They are like, “She did save a cow, but we should not show it as a cow.”
Sadhguru: See the thing is we don’t know who wrote the story, she didn’t save one
cow.
Cows would have always been saved because in this country which is a pastoral country,
cow and the cattle was the wealth of this nation.
If you look back at Mahabharat, they are not talking about land as wealth.
They are always talking about cattle as wealth, because land was there plenty.
Cattle, how many thousand head of cattle did you own, decided how rich you are.
So if somebody stole a cow, they caught you and beat you up, all right?
Kangana Ranaut: Yeah, that’s how it is in back home as well like I come from a village,
and sometimes the only thing that they have is…
Sadhguru: So I am saying this… this whole lynching debate that’s going on in the country,
these people who are talking about it, have not seen India.
They have not seen India at all.
They are just living in cities and television studios and endlessly talking about these
things.
Let me say this clearly, I have always been connected with rural life,
I have... in my life I have witnessed three lynchings, okay, I witnessed.
In two they were killed, in the other one nearly killed.
For what?
One was because they believed this man could be stealing their children.
People lynch - you know, even recently it happened.
If you steal their children, if you steal their cows, if you ste... if you cut a tree
and take it from his farm, these are three things for which lynchings will happen.
I have seen all three varieties.
I try to get into it and stop this.
They said, “You don’t get into it,” and push me aside.
I knew the local sub-inspector who was, you know, who was a senior in my college.
So I went to him and said, “You need to do something, these guys just killed the guy
and buried him right there in the village, the entire village knows and nothing!”
He said, “You don’t get into this.”
I said, “Why?”
He said, “See, this is how it is.
They have their own law.
I am a police officer, I enforce a certain aspect of the law.
Rest of the law is handled by them, in their own terms.”
So actually, this is a… a crowd because there is no actual total law enforcement in
the country, slowly it is coming, but it is not been there
for a long time, people manage their own things.
Kangana Ranaut: But Sadhguru, there are lot of other atrocities like for example…
Sadhguru: ...there are, there are, but let me finish this, because this is a big issue
in the country today.
So I am not trying to prove this is the way to do it.
All I am saying is when mob tries to enforce justice,
their idea of justice, this is how it gets enforced, unfortunately.
That’s where we are.
We need to understand that’s where we are.
If we want to change this, there are many things we need to do,
not going on pointing about somebody saved a cow…
Well, when people thought they are child-lifters and they killed them, why did you start a
debate about that?
Because you know, if you start a debate about “Don’t save your children,”
then you will get it back (Few laugh), all right?
Cow is a easy thing right now to go at.
So this is not about cows, this is not about...
Whatever is precious to them, if they believe somebody is taking it, they can’t call the
police.
Because if they call the police, they’ll come after twenty-four hours and if they come,
there are so many issues.
It doesn’t directly get settled.
So people have their own way of settling, unfortunately, it is going into a place where
people are being killed on the street.
It should not go there means, law enforcement needs to come on all levels of life.
We have not…
Law enforcement has not reached the entire geography of this nation.
Let’s get to that.
We need to do that.
Kangana Ranaut: Sadhguru, like I am a Rajput myself and when the whole Padmaavat episode
took place and, you know, cutting one of my contemporary’s
nose, I was embarrassed.
Like and also, when the rape took place in Kashmir, to be pointing out things like, you
know…
Sadhguru: This wouldn’t disturb anybody if it was Hollywood
because lot of them have cut their noses off and replaced (Laughter).
Kangana Ranaut: But Sadhguru, criminals are not religions… criminals cannot be associated
with religion.
That is just simply trying to instigate…
Sadhguru: Yes…I know I don’t think that was about religion at
all.
Anyway that whole movement was not against religion.
There are many political aspects to it.
When this was happening in full flare, the Padmaavat issue and Prasoon is here.
(Laughs) So when they were burning buses, then I called
somebody, a very responsible person in the country and
said, “What is this?
How are we allowing this to happen?”
If you don’t like a movie, you don’t go.
I don’t go to the movies (Laughs).
So if you don’t like it, you don’t go.
Why do you have to burn a bus that people have to use tomorrow morning” (Few laugh)?
They said, “Sadhguru, they have all dressed up one hundred women like brides and they
are sitting ready, ready to burn by themselves, volunteers to
burn.
Today, if we handle them rough on the street, tomorrow if these hundred women,
even if ten of them burn themselves, it will become an international issue.
So let the buses burn for one or two days, then we will deal with it.”
I thought this is a strange kind of wisdom but it is wisdom (Laughter/Applause).
Kangana Ranaut: Okay.
Sadhguru: So we need to understand this... we need to understand this,
instead of giving commentaries because somebody went to western universities and came back,
giving that kind of commentary in this country without understanding the realities, no.
There are unfortunate realities of various kinds of divisions that people are trying
to play up.
When they don’t get any voice to say something, they will gather one caste together,
they will gather one community together, or gather one group of language people together,
or religion together, and do something on the street to get attention.
The way…
unfortunate way that this’s become a culture to get attention is, burn the bus (Few laugh).
People… tomorrow morning they’ll have to walk to their place of work.
But burn the bus and get attention.
In every other country, if they want to protest they burn old tires.
I think our people don’t know how to take the tires out (Laughter)
so they are burning the entire bus (Applause/Laughter).