Please welcome Tomi Lahren.
-♪ ♪ -(cheering, applause)
Thanks. Thank you.
I'm in the lion's den, Trevor.
I am not a lion at all.
Is that, like, an African thing? No. Um, welcome to the show.
Be-Before we get into it, uh, I-I know who you are,
because I-I... my Facebook feed has you in it.
Uh, there are a lot of people who don't, so if you don't
know Tomi Lahren, this is a little taste of her show.
The protesters are still out in force, but let's be honest--
they're not protesters, they're crybabies with nothing better
to do than meander around the streets
with their participation trophies and false sense
of purpose. This isn't for Hillary.
I'm not even sure this is against Trump.
It's the same thing we've seen time and time again
with these so-called protesters and demonstrators.
It started with the Occupy Wall Street brats,
moved on to the more militant and overtly aggressive
Black Lives Matter More crowd,
cycled through the DNC-paid violence instigators
and now here we are, November of 2016,
with President-elect Donald Trump and a crowd
of misfit babies formed from every failed movement,
all sandwiched together to become the largest group
of whiners the country has ever seen.
-All right... -Pretty much covers it, doesn't it, Trevor?
Quick question-- like, why are you so angry?
I'm actually not that angry. It's just there's things
that need to be said, Trevor, and a lot of people
-are afraid to say 'em. -In an...
in an angry way. I mean, you can't say you're not angry
and, I mean, this is-this is what you're known for.
It's a strange thing to say-- "I'm not angry"--
but that is the one thing... It's like Ellen saying,
"I don't like dancing." It's like, yeah, you do, Ellen.
You do. You-you are angry about everything, it seems.
Some of these people just need to be called on their (bleep).
-You know? I mean, when... -What-what... But when you say
"your (bleep)," what in particular?
-Well, when you're... -'Cause this is the-this is the thing--
protesting a, you know, fair and free election...
that, to me, you-you're gonna get called on your (bleep)
a little bit. It's time to clear the streets, it's time
to accept reality, it's time to move on,
time to make America great again.
-You consider yourself a conservative. -I do.
-Okay. -I mean, a millennial, so I don't really like labels.
-But, yes, I'm conservative in thought. -Sorry, my brain...
You just gave a label to say you don't like labels.
-But, anyway, um... -We exist on a spectrum, Trevor.
I mean, you're... Would you consider yourself a liberal?
That was just... that was just funny. That was just funny.
-It was just a funny moment. Um... -I'm a millennial.
-We can surprise you. -It's just... it's just funny.
Um, in terms of Black Lives Matter,
like, you know, you have quite a record...
For somebody who is not racist,
you have to spend a lot of time saying, "I'm not racist."
Uh... what is your biggest issue with Black Lives Matter?
I
it started with good intentions.
I think it was. It was well-intentioned.
The moment that they started pushing "hands up,
don't shoot"-- which is a false narrative,
proven time and time again to be a false narrative--
the minute that that became their slogan,
the minute that protesting turned into rioting and looting
and burning and militant actions,
that's when I lost respect for Black Lives Matter.
Okay, but, now, here's my thing.
Let's address each of these things one by one.
When you go, protesting, turning into rioting and looting,
that's not a Black Lives Matter phenomenon.
That is what happens when there is a protest a lot of the time.
There are people who rioted and looted
when teams won in Chicago years ago.
It doesn't mean that they are now bad people.
That's what happens...
There are some bad people in every instance.
Going back to Black Lives Matter, though,
for you to say that... You say they have good intentions,
they had the good intentions.
How are you labeling out the actions of a few
and condemning an entire group? I don't understand that.
Because they subscribe to the Black Lives Matter movement.
They say, we are the Black Lives Matter movement,
fry 'em like bacon, "F" the police.
They are saying those things.
These are a few people. These are a few people.
This is not the Black Lives Matter pro...
-These are... these are... -That is not the platform, though.
I saw it in my... my city of Dallas.
I saw what a Black Lives Matter protest looked like.
And I saw five fallen officers because of it.
-So I've seen... -That's not fair and that's true.
-That's-that's not... -No, no, no, no, no, it is fair, Trevor,
because the shooter said, point blank shooter said,
he's doing this because of Black Lives Matter.
Yes, and there are many things you can say.
I mean, if you go outside,
you can say anything about doing something because of...
You cannot deny that the man had mental issues, as well,
and he was in a tough place.
Just because you say the thing doesn't mean
-it's what it stands for, right? -Do you feel emboldened?
Because you're the same person...
You're the same person who argued on your show
that just because Donald Trump has supporters from the KKK
doesn't mean he's in the KKK,
so it goes against that argument.
He didn't say... he didn't say... No. No.
-(applause and cheering) -It goes against that.
You can't say he did it because of.
No, but, he, the shooter said, "I am..."
Yes, but Black Lives Matter has never said
go out and shoot people.
I'm saying, you're saying this to your audience,
and I honestly do not understand where you're getting that from.
Just because a person...
What if somebody says, "I felt emboldened by Tomi Lahren,
and so I went out, and I shot black people"?
Are you now responsible? Is that your black...?
But it's not one... Trevor, it's not one or two people.
-If you look at it... -How many people is it?
If you look at it in every city,
-look at the protests that have gone on. -How many people is it?
In Baltimore, in Ferguson, in New York City,
the protests that have now turned to anti-Trump protests.
-These are not a few people. -Okay.
-This is mass crowds of people. -Okay.
They're doing this in the name of Michael Brown.
They're doing this in the name of Freddie Gray.
They're doing it as the front of Black Lives Matter,
and the mainstream media is emboldening these people.
Okay, so then let's use that same logic
that you're using, then, and then go, police.
Are the police racist? Because police in many cities...
You look at Baltimore,
or you look at what happened in New York,
you look at what happened in the case of Walter Scott.
You tell me, are police racist?
Because they've been shown to harass black people unfairly.
They've been shown to shoot black people
when they're unarmed. Does that mean the police are racist then?
Because that's the same logic you're using.
-It's really not, though, Trevor, because... -It is.
the mainstream media is not emboldening them as a group.
-(groaning, booing) -It's not. And did you know
that a black man is 18.5 times more likely
to shoot a police officer than a police officer is
to shoot a black man? Those are statistics
-no one wants to talk about. -(booing, groaning)
Here's the thing. So, let me ask you this, then.
If you say, as you said when you walked out,
"I'm not as mean as people think I am,
I'm not the person that people think I am,"
what do you wish people would understand about you
that are in another bubble?
What do you wish people would understand about you
on the other side?
I wish that we could disagree with each other
without thinking that we are bad people or ill-intentioned folks.
So because I criticize a black person
or I criticize the Black Lives Matter movement,
that doesn't mean that I am anti-black.
It does not mean that I don't like black people,
or that I'm a racist.
It means I'm criticizing a movement.
I criticize Colin Kaepernick.
That doesn't mean that I don't believe
in his First Amendment rights.
It means that I believe in my First Amendment rights
to criticize him.
So it doesn't make me a bad person,
it doesn't make me a racist to point out...
I mean, I've never used racial slurs to address people.
I've never looked down on someone
because of their skin color.
To me, true diversity is diversity of thought,
not diversity of color. I don't see color.
I go after Hillary Clinton,
-(laughter, groaning) -and she's as white as they come.
You don't... you don't see color?
So what do you do at a traffic light?
-(laughter, applause & cheering) -I don't believe in that at all,
when people say that.
There's nothing wrong with
It's how you treat color that's more important.
-You're right. It is. -Here's my thing.
Like, all these points that you make are great,
and I do believe that you believe them.
And I don't believe anyone is actively trying...
There are a few people who are trying
to be bad from their point of view.
Bu
you say you're not pushing a racist narrative,
you're not... you're criticizing.
Do you really believe you're criticizing
and you're not mal-intentioned when you say things like
Black Lives Matter is the new KKK?
Because you realize Black Lives Matter can't be the
the KKK is still around.
-They have not vacated their premises, -(clears throat)
-(applause) -and most importantly,
to say Black Lives Matter is the new KKK is... like,
to really, really minimize what the KKK did
and what they stand for-- that is not the same thing.
Surely you understand the incendiary, like...
-But... -feeling of your comments. You know that, surely.
It's controversial, but I think there are some things
that need to be said, and when the Black Lives Matter movement
is going out with signs saying, "Fry 'em like bacon,
F the police," when they're going out saying
if you see a white person, target them...
That is happening, Trevor.
That happened in Milwaukee not too long ago.
That is happening. So when that now becomes the narrative
and you're starting to loot, burn and riot,
-what did the KKK do? -That is not...
Look, we'll go around in circles...
Did you say, "What did the KKK do?"
No. What did they do? When you're saying...
-(laughter) -Wow. -Listen, listen... Trevor...
-Wow. -Trevor, when you're saying...
when there are people in the street saying
if you see a white person, beat their ass...
does that not sound reminiscent of the KKK
-or their motives to you? -Is that the narrative
of Black Lives Matter, or are there people
who are saying that within a crowd of other human beings?
There is a distinction between a movement and the people.
That is something that we keep coming back to.
But let's go back to what you were saying
on Colin Kaepernick and the National Anthem.
This is something I don't understand,
and I... when I watch your videos,
I go... I truly do not understand.
You say... Colin Kaepernick is exercising
his First Amendment rights, and you are exercising
your First Amendment rights in criticizing him.
-Mm-hmm. -So what you're saying is...
"You have the right to say anything you want, so shut up."
No. Not at all.
I'm saying I don't agree with what he did.
-Yes. -I think that he went about it the wrong way.
-I don't think he understands... -What is the right way?
When people say that, I'm always fascinated.
What is the right way? So, here's a black man in America
who says, I don't know how to get a message across.
If I march in the streets, people say I'm a thug,
if I go out and I protest, people say that it's a riot,
if I bend down on one knee, then it's... What is the right way?
That is something I've always wanted to know.
What is the right way for a black person
-(applause, cheering) -to get attention in America?
Taking it out...
Trevor...
taking it out on our flag and our National Anthem,
-to me... -But how?
Why would you take out
your perceived oppression of black people
out on the National Anthem and our flag?
A country that you live in, a country that you benefit from,
a country that people of all races have died for,
have died to protect, have died for the vote,
died to be enfranchised by this nation,
how do you then go and disrespect the flag
and the anthem of that country?
-Why is that the outlet? -Well, maybe you're a person
who's lived and read through history,
and you realize that a lot of those people of every color
who died for this country, some of them didn't have the rights
that their fellow servicemen had
when they came back to the country after fighting for it.
And that flag means a lot to those folks, too.
Maybe you're one of those people who realizes
that the penal system in America was
to oppress black people, it was designed to enslave people,
it is a relic of slavery.
Maybe you're one of those people.
So what I don't understand is, a guy is kneeling in the corner,
I don't understand why that offends you so much.
It's not even like he's trying to sing over you.
If he was doing that, he's like, ♪ O say... ♪
O say can
He's not... he's not doing anything that affects you.
I don't understand why it gets to you.
I genuinely don't. He's in a corner,
kneeling by himself-- why does that offend you so much?
For me, I know what that flag means to me,
I know what that flag means to those that are fighting
for our country right now-- it's bigger than a piece of cloth.
It's a symbol of patriotism.
Our National Anthem has meant a lot to a lot of people,
it's got a lot of people through very hard times,
and this country, it's got its scars,
it's got its wounds, it's got its history,
but I still believe it's the greatest nation
on the face of the Earth, and I believe
if you live in this country, you can want to better it,
but to disrespect our flag and our anthem,
in that way, and that be your outlet
to get out whatever aggression you have,
whether it be passive or active aggression,
I disagree with it.
And so he has every right to do it--
that's his First Amendment rights,
and I agree with his First Amendment right to do it--
I don't agree with what he did.
So because I don't agree with what he did,
then now
So I should shut up? I shouldn't be able to talk
about black issues 'cause I'm white?
No one brought up whites at all.
I never said that. I don't see color.
-I... -(laughter)
I don't think that that's what the argument is.
What I'm saying is... I asked you one question,
and that is: How should a black person
bring up their grievances?
That's all I ask. How?
If that's not the right way, if marching isn't the right way,
what
When you talk... What he said was,
he is protesting the anthem and the flag
because of the oppression of black people
-in this country. -Yes.
I would like him to further explain
what he's talking about when he's discussing
-the black oppression in this country. -Which he has.
Also, is it against police? Is it against the government?
I'm not sure what oppression he's discussing.
I would love to have him come on my show
and discuss it with me.
To me, when you make the flag and you make the anthem
the outlet for your anger,
or the outlet through which you're going to protest
your country that you live in, you reside in,
that you take $19 million a year from,
I don't think that that is the correct outlet for your anger.
So, what is he protesting?
Again, you haven't answered my question of how...
-how you want black people... -So...
I'm just asking how. And I'm asking you...
honestly, I'm not saying in a challenging way--
I'm saying to you, I don't know the answer
apart from these methods, so I would like to know
if you've ever thought of a how.
Because you're the first person I've met who's said this.
I've seen this message online.
I'm not labeling you as
I just want to know if you've ever thought of the how.
That's all I want to know.
For me, I think there are a lot of folks in this country,
I, being a woman, um, I didn't have rights after black people,
until women got the right to vote,
but because I feel like I'm a woman,
and I'm marginalized in some way,
I don't protest my country.
I don't see what he's protesting.
-I would like to know exactly what he is protesting. -So...
-It's a very... -So how do you-- No, no.
-How do you protest, then? That's what... -I don't protest.
Because I'm not a victim.
I guess we can, we can go back and forth
on a lot of these issues, um...
It's-it's an interesting place to be in,
because, honestly, y-you've won, you know.
Like, your side has won, as you say, you know.
The liberal snowflakes are melting
in the streets as they protest.
And now I would like to know from your side, genuinely,
as someone who's won, do you believe
that Donald Trump will follow through on his promises?
I will be a vocal opponent if he doesn't.
I am not somebody that gets on the cheerleading bandwagon.
If he does something I disagree with, I will discuss it.
I did before I was a Trump supporter,
I was critical of Trump.
I was a Marco Rubio girl for a long time,
and then I started to see that was gonna be our nominee.
And I said it's him or Hillary.
-A lot of Americans were in that position. -Yeah.
And then I got closer to the campaign,
and I started seeing some of the things he was saying,
and I started seeing the effect he was having on people,
and the things that he was saying that was touching people,
-and making them feel like they... -He was touching people.
-Yeah. He was. -(laughter)
He really was.
Hillary could use some of that every now and then, right?
Bill's a little busy, Bill's a little busy.
I appreciate you being on the show.
Thank you so much for being here.
-Thank you, Trevor. -It is, a...
a conversation we should continue having, uh, having.
You can find, uh, Tomi's Final Thoughts
at Facebook.com/TomiLahren.
Tomi Lahren, everybody