Judy: We are in the final weeks
before the midterm elections and
nearly 1.million Americans have
already cast a ballot.
In Washington, the January 6
committee has voted to subpoena
former president trump as part
of itself investigation into the
attack on the U.S. Control.
245 is names David brooks and
Jonathan Capehart.
Columnist for the New York post.
Hello to boast -- both of you.
Very good to see your smiling
The January 6 committee, David,
ninth public hearing and they
did vote to system the former
president.
We don't know whether he's going
to come.
First of all, do you think he
will and if he did, would it
make a difference?
>> If he did, I think cows would
fly.
[Laughter]
I don't think he's going to do
it.
First, would it make a
difference?
In the apology, nothing would
make a difference.
The public opinion is exactly
where it was when this committee
first started going.
The reason I don't think he's
going to do it ask even though
he says he wants to do it, he's
being investigated by the
justice department for the same
thing.
No lawyer lets their client
clients go under over and he's
being investigated over here.
He's willing to take the fifth,
as he did in the New York
investigations so I just think
that's spectacle is one we'll
have to just dream about.
Judy: Cows flying?
What do you see, Jonathan?
>> I would love to see cows
flying but I know I'd be
disappointed.
[Laughter]
Judy: We just started here.
>> He's not going to testify and
I don't think the January 6
committee had any expectation
that he would.
However, I do think that the
January 6 committee felt it was
important, given all the
evidence that they have, given
all the evidence that they're
had presented to the American
people over nine hearings that
it was the logical thing to do
and I think it was the right
thing to do, whether he shows up
or not.
They're investigating an attack
on the United States insurance
city gated by the president of
the United States and these
hearings and the report that
will be released later in the
fall is as much for the American
medium right now as it is for
the American people and the
world decades down the road.
There needs to be an accounting
and what the committee has done
is part of that.
Judy: About history?
>> About history, yes.
Judy: And you were saying that
earlier today but David, we
don't know what's going to
happen in the midterm elections,
clearly.
But if this committee wraps it
up in a few weeks and Democrats
lose the majority in the house,
what in sum will this committee
have accomplished?
>> I don't think it will have
much political affect on the mid
terms.
But it surprised me.
There was a lot more to
investigate and a lot more to
reveal than I knew about and I
think a lot of us knew about.
We all saw January on January 6
but there were a lot of behinds
the scenes things.
A lot more planning and plotting
than we knew about and then just
to get the members of the trump
administration, some of his
alleys, some of the proud --
allies, some of the proud boys,
very incriminating it will.
-- Testimony.
It will a, be a part of
political history and B, be a
ground work if the justice
department decides to do
something.
Judy: What do you think the
accumulated contribution or not
will be when this committee
wraps up?
There is some speculation
Republicans will completely
disband it.
>> They're totally going to
disband it and shift their
focus.
If they continue anything
related to January 6, it won't
be what the select committee is
going now.
They'll turn their attention to
speaker motiony.
Which is what I heard in the
hearings yesterday was
interesting.
The behind the scenes video we
saw of speaker Pelosi and leader
Schumer pleading -- all the
phone calls they were making
behind the scenes to do
something at the capitol,
contrasting that with what the
president of the United States
was not dirk.
Judy: David, as you look at the
sum total of all of this
that was a pretty dramatic
There they are on the phone
begging the parse of government
that can do something to do
something.
>> Yeah, I think the video that
is the committee has thrown
before us is the highlight of
what they've done.
It brings you back and even this -- I was a, impressed by
their calm under pressure.
Pelosi, Schumer.
Mcconnell was in there.
Steny Hoyer was in there.
I was also a little depressed
that they were freelancing.
Let's call the governor of
Maryland, the governor of
Virginia.
It's LE there's no plan on
what to do in this wild of
emergency or any kind of
emergency.
So there was not a set of
procedures.
They were freelancing.
I thought they did impressively
but in the future we should have
like, if this happens then this
will happen --
>> But they were freelancing
because this unimaginable
hasn'ted.
The president of the united
States was not stepping in and
doing what is his constitutional
duty, which is to protect and
serve the constitution and a
branch of the government was
under attack.
Yeah, they were freelancing,
trying to figure out where to
step in to save the situation.
Judy: And clearly didn't see it
coming.
Today is October 14th.
David, I look the -- looked at
the calendar.
We are about three and a half
weeks away from the midterm
election.
Congress hangs in the balance.
I was in Wisconsin last weekend.
Republicans are very much
pushing crime and public safety
and Democrats will take us down
a dark road.
Democrats are pushing they're
too far to the right and
abortion.
What is this campaign, this
season look like you to right
>> If you're Democrat, the happy
thing is a lot of these races
are closed.
In a lot of states like
Wisconsin Joe Biden has an O--
approval rating of low 40's.
In a normal year that would be
disaster for a lot of Democrat
candidates.
But the polls are closed.
If you're Republican I think
there are two things that would
cheer you.
The first is that the Democrats
had a swing in their direction
two, three months ago.
It seems in the last month
Republicans have had a bit of a
swing in their direction and
could -- second, if you look at
where the campaigns are spending
their money and where they've
given up.
The Democrats are spending a lot
of money in places they should
not have to defend.
Districts where Biden won by
seven, by 1 and Republicans are
pouring munch into those direct
and that suggests that both
parties have internal polls that
suggests there are places
Republicans are threatening that
would seemingly lean or be safe
democratic districts and that
may be that there's a sign of a
Republican surge we're not
seeing in the public polls.
Judy: What do you see?
>> Well, I agree with David that
in the summer the wind was at
Democrats' backs.
They were almost euphoric about
their political prospects but as
with everything in politics, the
pendulum always swings back.
What I foresee is that we could
be looking at two waves.
Not a tsunami but a red waive
where you have races determined
by crime, inflation, fierce of a
recession or you could have a
blue wave where the issue of
abortion, threats to democracy
reign supreme.
I think where Democrats are able
to make the economic link
between -- and economics, maybe
they can eat into some of that
advantage Republicans have on
the economy and inflation and
recession.
Look, we've never been -- this
is some place we've never been.
Even the pollsters are saying we
don't know what's going to
happen.
Judy: Who benefits if it's two
waves?
We don't know?
>> We don't know.
Judy: There could be a wave in
each direction.
And they crash against each
other.
[Laughter]
We don't know.
>> Advanced physics.
I did see a poll of what issue
are you voting on most?
In this election the number one
reason that is making people go
to the polls is making shoo you
are the other side loses.
It's not even the economy or
abortion, it's just I don't like
those guys.
That's why the two parties are
locked at even and not a lot as
changed.
Judy: That means these two
neighbors we interviewed in
Columbia county, Wisconsin, who
are trying really hard and still
friends but disagree completely
on everything, including who to
vote for but they're still
friends.
>> Good fences make good
neighbors.
[Laughter]
Judy: David, you had a column
today about what's going on in
Los Angeles with the city
council but it was about more
than that now there have been
resignations but before that it
got really messy and you talked
about how this could be the
racial future of this country.
What did you mean?
>> Managing diversity is hard.
Diversity is fabulous but
politically manage it and
staying together as a country
when we get increased diversity,
when there's no majority group,
which is where we're headed,
that's a political challenge.
So what disturbed me by the
comments by the Los Angeles city
council members was not only the
raw racism but listening to
their tame conversation was
their assumption first that they
were -- we were all on either
anything -- ethnic teams.
The black team, the Korean team,
the hispanic team and that these
teams are currently at war.
There's office been ethnic
politics.
There's always been negotiations
but this was game of thrones so
if we enter a world with all
this great diversity but
politics is ginned up by
politicians using ethnic and
racial appeals to fight
political battles, then you get
a already -- very ugly
atmosphere.
It's obviously happening to some
degree with Donald Trump but
it's how hard it is to manage
diversity going forward.
Judy: What -- where are you
coming down on this?
>> I read your column, David.
I should have written down the
headline but this idea that
because there's something about
this is what happens when
everything is viewed by race.
Right, this is what happens when
race is everything.
And I got your argument.
You know, it's very utopian and
I am one of those people who
wishes we could live in that
place but we can't and we won't.
The best we can do is strive to
get there.
I listened to the recordings of
the comments and what struck me
was that they sounded like
old-school politicians having a
back room conversation and when
politicians get behind closed
doors, the conversations can be
pretty rough but when you're
talking about the spoils of
power and in this case it was
redistricting.
It gets ugly and what these
tapes do is bring us on the
inside.
I don't think those types of
conversations are new.
It's just that we're hearing
them now with our own ears and
this is where I take issue with
the headlines which -- I write
my own headlines, I don't know
if you do.
But the idea that black people
or people of color are the ones
whoer foisting race on the
country is something that is --
as something that needs to be
dealt with, it's problematic
because it ignores the history
of this country.
I have here a picture that I
took at the legacy museum in
Montgomery, Alabama and in the
old location there was a huge
wall with all of these horrific
"Seinfelds."
No negroes allowed after
sundown.
No n-words, Puerto rican,
Mexicans allowed.
We want white tenants in our
white community.
It's not that black and brown
people are so focused on race
because that's all they care
about.
They focus and are paying
attention to race because they
have to because of signs like
that and that's just one
example.
We also have to remember that we
are 57 years after the civil
rights and voting rights act.
That means we are on the 57
years of truthful being a
democracy and that's within the
living lifetimes of people.
>> I said exactly that.
Ics white supremecy created
these categories.
Are we content with these
categories or are we going to
mill story them?
Judy: We may continue this
conversation.
Thank you both.
>> Thanks, Judy.