Putin claims that he had no choice.
He needed to do this illegal invasion into Ukraine to root out the Nazis and
liberate the Ukrainian people.
Fact of the matter is, while there are some Nazi groups in Ukraine,
they are not such a problem, such a huge security risk or threat to Russia,
that it would justify some sort of invasion into Ukraine.
Now, when it comes to Ukraine's history with Nazis,
I do think it's worth noting that during World War two,
Ukraine was one of the countries where Jewish people were brutalized and
murdered as a result of Nazis, Ukraine wasn't completely free of that.
So that's part of its history, it's worth acknowledging.
Another thing to acknowledge is the so called battalion,
the Azov battalion that keeps getting referenced by right wingers and
even some leftists as a genuine issue within Ukraine.
And the fact of the matter is the Azov Battalion wasn't
even an issue until Putin decided to annex Crimea.
This was a battalion that formed and
really grew as a result of what Putin did with that annexation.
But over the last five years, they've actually lost a lot of support
within Ukraine and their attempts to become part of the Ukrainian government,
a real influence within the Ukrainian government has really failed.
So, bad faith actors again, say that this is a real thing.
In fact, the Azov battalion has been absorbed there.
This is one kernel of truth that's worth knowing,
they've been absorbed within the Ukrainian National Guard.
But it's similar to what we see in the United States military or
within local police departments where you have neo Nazis, white nationalists and all
sorts of unsavory figures getting absorbed into legitimate law enforcement, right?
So, should we be invaded?
I would argue no.
I would argue the American people would not take kindly to another country
invading our sovereign country with the excuse of rooting out Nazis within
law enforcement.
>> Can I just interrupt for one quick second on that.
>> So we saw the Nazis March in Charlottesville Virginia and
they chanted blood and soil and the Jews will not replace us,
then they killed someone, they attacked a synagogue, we saw all of that happened.
So should we have under that logic attacked Virginia?
And who should have attacked Virginia?
>> Yeah, which country should invade us?
>> Yeah, should it be Mexico that attacks Virginia because America has too many neo
Nazis in it?
Or should it be North Carolina and
Maryland that attacks Virginia because it has too many neo Nazis in it.
And one rhetorical trick that they do, that you should be aware of and it's
particularly craven, is when you point out that every country has neo Nazis and
that's not a reason to invade it, they go, are you defending neo Nazis?
No, that's absurd.
We despise the Nazis.
But under that logic, you would invade us?
You wouldn't they're not neo Nazis almost in every country.
Should we go and invade Indonesia?
It is such an obvious be as talking point directed to try to distract you from
the actual violence and killing that the Russians are doing of the Ukrainian?
>> Yeah, that's exactly right.
So for anyone who refused to give any credibility to that argument,
it's not because they're running away from having to address Nazi
elements within Ukraine, It's because it was a BS excuse and
a lie that Putin used to justify his illegal invasion into Ukraine.
And let me just say if you're a leftist and
you're like, why isn't anyone talking about the Azov battalion?
Why aren't you, talking about the Azov battalion?
We could talk about that, sure, but I do find it interesting that
it's all about addressing that honestly, without being above,
like very clear about the fact that this is an invasion that should be condemned.
It's an illegal invasion.
That should be the starting point.
The starting point should be this is a BS piece of propaganda from Putin.
It is not the reason why he's invading and this invasion should be condemned.
With that said though, is there some truth to Nazi elements within Ukraine?
Sure.
I just find it super curious that people wanna discuss that right now.
But fine, we're discussing it.
We're discussing it right now.
Eastern Europe overall,
every Eastern European country has a problem with neo-Nazis, okay?
But the question is, are they representative of the governments in
these Eastern European countries, are they controlling the policies,
including the foreign policy coming from these Eastern European countries,
is this really a giant factor within the government of Ukraine?
And the answer is unequivocally, no, it is not.
Now while it got absorbed into the Ukrainian National Guard in order to fight
Russian forces in Eastern Ukraine,
the fact of the matter is they have no real political power.
In fact, they got less than 3% of the vote in the latest parliamentary elections.
So, there you have it, we're having a discussion about the Nazi elements.
Does that justify Russia invading Ukraine?
I want the leftist to answer that question.
I want them to answer it.
>> Yeah, I I don't know if they, I guess they think they're leftists
supporting brutal regimes as they murder Ukrainians.
That's not at all left.
That's an idiotic position to have.
And so in this case, Idaho has a significant neo-Nazi camp inside of Idaho.
And if you took the Nazi per capita percentage in Idaho versus Ukraine,
I'm afraid what you would find.
I'm afraid that Idaho might have a higher percentage.
So, are all of those so called leftists and the right wing talking about how we
have to invade Idaho and we have to kill the governor of Idaho, who's a republican.
And make sure we not if I Idaho,
I'd like to detoxify Idaho through ideology through rational means?
But invasion?
Are you mental?
Who's invading?
But in this case you're trying to of course, the ironic thing here is and
in case you haven't figured it out.
Putin is doing exactly what the Nazis did.
Well we have Germans in the Sudetenland and in all over Europe and
we have to protect the ethnic Germans.
It's literally what Putin is saying, he's saying the same exact thing take
out the German put in the Russian and we had to cross the borders.
We had to do it to protect the Russians and to protect the homeland.
And it's the Nazi playbook 101.
>> Well, I love that you brought up Putin and maybe some of the issues
that Russia has with the very thing that they're trying to root out in Ukraine.
Russia is the big daddy of Nazi issues, okay?
So for instance, and again, every Eastern European country,
unfortunately has this problem.
The United States has this problem.
Now, the Russian Imperial Movement is an extreme right white supremacist
militant organization based, where in ST Petersburg Russia, so fascinating.
Something else that's pretty relevant to this.
Well, are Nazis applauded, accepted by government officials in Russia.
That's important, right?
A guy named Dmitri Gutkin helped start Russia's Wagner mercenaries.
He's been awarded medals of honor by Putin.
Gutkin is a full blown neo-Nazi with Waffen ss tattoos to prove it.
And there is evidence of Wagner B grade of the Wagner B grade
inch is chock full of radical white nationalist militants?
So, great, so does that mean that we should advocate for
the invasion of Russia?
Because we have to Nazi elements.
>> No we have to.
So we have the leftist told us we have to be against anyone who has Nazis and
approved by the president.
My God, we have to detoxify Russia right now.
Should we launch the nukes?
I mean, look, I'm using your stupid, stupid logic.
And so, when you have a guy acting like the Nazis and
Putin and he gives medals to Nazis.
And then you claim that maybe it's not such a bad thing that he invades because
he's denotes defying Ukraine.
How do we detoxify the Nazis?
Which is what the Russian government is doing right now?
And you wanna cry a tear for the Russian government?
I don't care.
Go cry.
My God, the young Turks, they won't kiss Russian ass.
They won't kiss Putin's ass.
My God.
Good, yes, you're right, we won't because we're journalists.
We actually care about what's true and what's not true, he invaded Ukraine,
he's butchering those people right now while you go around, do some BS.
You think pseudo intellectual,
you think your intellectuals pseudo intellectual circle jerk.
Like, no.
Did America also has Nazis?
I'm the only one who figured that out.
Did you know, Ukraine has some Nazis?
Maybe we should just let Russia take it.
[LAUGH] I'm such an intellectual know, you're a moron.
So, okay, now I have to be clear.
In case you still didn't get it, okay?
Back when the Nazis were in Ukraine, actual Nazis led by Adolf Hitler,
they rounded up a Jewish family in Ukraine.
They shot the mom and the dad and three out of the four brothers,
they killed them all.
The one remaining brother is the grandfather of President Zelensky.
He's the leader of Ukraine.
The Nazis murdered his family.
Ukraine is not led by Nazis.
That is deeply, deeply offensive to imply that.
I don't care if you're a right winger or do you think you're a left winger?
That's a terrible thing to say.
It's not remotely true.
So, stop lying to your audience to your viewers and to your readers.
There's someone acting just like the Nazis and
it ain't the Ukrainians and it certainly isn't Zelinsky, it's the Russians.
So now you say, no, you can't do, look, I love the Russian people,
those Russian protesters are the bravest people on earth.
The Russian reporters are the bravest people on earth.
So don't come at me with your fake talking points about,
how can you be against the Russians,
nowhere against the Russian government led by the tyrant Vladimir Putin?
You defend Putin, you're not don't ever,
ever say that you're on the left, you're not on the left,
you're supporting a guy who gives medals to Nazis for being Nazis, okay?
Two can play at that game.