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- Alright guys, if you're new here,
I'm Banker, this is Brad.
You are watching Lifted Live.
We're going to come to you once a week here every Thursday
at 6:00 PM central standard time.
I thought of an idea.
- What is it?
- It's what to expect after you've lifted your truck.
- Okay.
So, just got my first truck ever.
I just threw a six inch Rough Country on it.
- Are you talking about yourself?
- Yup.
It's a 2005 Chevy.
I'm real excited.
I spent more on the lift kit than the truck is worth.
- Wow.
It's not a very nice truck then.
- I just let it down off the jack stands.
What should I expect?
- When you're going lift an old truck like that,
especially one that's probably,
he didn't pay much for it because it's a little worn out
and beat up.
You're going to have to expect things to wear
a lot faster than they normally would.
So on the GM trucks
you're going to be looking probably at doing ball joints and
wheel bearings probably very quickly.
- But I just did that when I put my lift kit in,
cause I watched Lifted Live
episode number two about old trucks.
So I did all that.
I got that. - Oh, okay.
Probably hear a lot of new noises and sounds
because other things are going to start
showing their age quickly.
Things are probably gonna show up that you didn't expect or
know that was bad previously.
- How often do I expect to go fill up my truck?
- She's going to burn through fuel, that's for sure.
- Just a little bit?
- Yeah.
Five three with a six inch lift and some 12 wides
probably talking like 11 miles a gallon.
- But I got like 18 before.
Probably got 12 before. Let's be real.
- So you're probably going to get like eight,
eight miles a gallon.
- Yeah, about eight.
More realistic.
Okay.
Now let's say I've upgraded.
I now have a 2016 Super Duty.
- Yeah.
- And I got like a four inch BDS on it.
Excuse me.
All of my worries from my six inch lifted
Rough Country truck going to go away?
Is my truck gonna stop faster.
Is it going to roll less now?
- No.
- But I paid twice as much for my BDS kit.
- Yup.
Anytime you lift the vehicle and add bigger
wheels and tires,
you're going to decrease the performance of the braking,
the acceleration, the handling, everything,
because you're gonna be altering the rolling mass,
the wheels and tires.
And you're going to raise the center of gravity.
So all of that is going to decrease when you lift the truck
and put bigger wheels and tires on it.
So that's something that you should definitely expect.
- So what should I do to gain my performance back?
- You could put big brakes on.
I like those.
- You do like big brakes.
We have a trucking here this week with big brakes
and Brad's been all excited about it all week.
So now I've upgraded to my brand new truck
and six inch lifts and everything.
I haven't even got my first oil change yet.
What should I expect when I go to the dealership to get my
free first oil change?
- I don't know.
The dealership might be a little concerned about your
vehicle modifications.
- But does my lift kit,
will that void my warranty?
- Legally, it can't void powertrain warranty
or other things like that.
So, no,
- Brad, are you still running the Kenda Klever R/Ts
and how do you like them?
- Yes, I am still riding them.
How does someone know that?
- I don't know.
Nick Tip knows that though.
- Oh yeah.
I do have Kenda Klever R/Ts on my Silverado.
And I really like 'em for that for the price.
I think they're awesome.
I think they're, I think that for the money,
it's the best hybrid tire you can get.
And I really like them.
They're not quiet and not, oh sorry,
they're not very loud at all.
And I mean, obviously offroad,
it's not going to be like a mud terrain.
They're going to clog up and stuff like that.
If you really get them in wet mud.
But I really liked them on the road.
I use the truck just for towing pretty much
and they do awesome.
I really like them.
- How hard is it to install a full lift kit kit Bradley?
- Subjective.
- Let's say it's a moderately clean truck.
It's something new 2016, 2017, six inch lift.
It's called a media.
- So yeah we'll talk about, we'll reference here,
yeah, like a 2016 Chevy, 1500, a six inch lift kit.
For that, I would say if you're like a
do it yourselfer type mechanic that can do,
most of your own work, it's pretty straightforward.
You might be a little intimidated by the cutting.
Most people are.
- If you're mechanically inclined,
it's probably like a six.
- And it's probably more than
a whole weekend's work, I dunno.
Like if you're doing it on the ground at your house.
- Yeah, if you're doin it, I mean.
- if you're talking like.
- Here with tools and everything,
it takes two days.
- Yeah so, I mean,
you're probably talking that's a two weekend job probably.
If you're a laid back rancher, I don't know.
It's definitely not fun to do on the ground because
like I said, the cutting part's
not fun to do on the ground.
And it's a little time consuming,
especially if you've never done it before.
So expect two weekend job.
That's how I would rate it.
- Herman has a 2017 Silverado 1,500,
7 inch Rough Country bracket kit with the lift strut.
Is there any way to make it taller?
- Yes.
- Can he stack?
- So you could in theory, yes,
put a leveling kit on there,
but I probably wouldn't recommend it
on a seven inch Rough Country.
I know that
I'm not too familiar with the seven inch bracket kit,
but I'm pretty sure like on the seven inch knuckle kit,
you don't have too much more room to go up in terms of like
your CV axle, line angles and all that other stuff going on.
You're almost kind of maxed out at seven inches.
- Yeah, on the knuckle kit.
I think the bracket kit is a little bit more.
- I don't know exactly what the bracket kit,
we'd never really ever see bracket kids come through here
and they're not super popular anymore.
So I can't say for sure,
but I'm assuming it's probably similar because the bracket
kit probably uses the same crossmember drops and drip drop
probably is the same, and a lot of the parts
are probably the same.
So I would say yes, you could, but you probably shouldn't.
- Alright, I'm going to answer a quick question here.
This is a really weird Instagram name.
This just says don't be mad cause I.
Feel like there's supposed to be more to that.
What is the best way to get more sponsors for my Tacoma that
I got a rendering for that I'm trying to get into SEMA.
- Oh boy.
- So getting into SEMA,
it's not necessarily hard.
As long as you're willing to run all the products that
companies want on these vehicles.
Obviously it has to be something newer.
It's gotta be something clean.
But as long as you're willing to put on products
and build it to what they want,
it's pretty easy to get in.
If you're looking for more sponsors,
big IG following as a plus.
- And that's probably mandatory.
Or you have to probably have a big social media following.
- Yeah. And we're talking over 5K.
10K or more ideally.
- Yeah.
- And other outlets to promote those products.
You can't say I'm going to a bunch of local shows.
You gotta be going to every national show there is.
You really got to put in the legwork to get
those companies to,
to get you products that in turn gets you into SEMA.
So there's not a great way of going about it other than
really just promoting everything.
- I think another thing that a lot of people don't know
is you got to pay a usually to build the truck right?
So if you've got, you'll see like a SEMA truck,
and that person who owns the truck likely paid some shop
to build it.
But that shop who built it is the one
who builds SEMA trucks.
And they do all the cool work
to it to make it a cool truck that could stand out at SEMA.
And it helps that shop get their name out.
And they obviously will give you like a discounted rate for
building the truck.
But the person who owns the truck still likely
pays for the work.
- Yeah.
- They might not pay for all the parts.
'Cause they'll get sponsored to parts and stuff like that.
But the actual labor to build the truck,
a lot of times they pay for it.
- Exactly.
- You got to expect to.
- Because it gets so hard and
it's such a business oriented market,
there are now companies that will
literally just broker you working
with companies like my boy Scoop over at SMG,
that's all he does is get people into SEMA.
But you've got to have a budget.
And we're talking like minimum.
- Probably at least 40K?
- $30,000 at $40,000 budget is what you should expect
to be sticking into these trucks.
So it's not cheap. It's not free.
It's not easy, but it can be done.
Oh, here we go.
What is the difference between the knuckle lift
and the UCA lift?
On a rough country Three and a half inch.
- Oh, well, okay.
Do you wanna answer this?
- I want you to answer. You're the suspension expert.
- The difference between three and a half inch upper control
arm lift and the three and a half inch knuckle kit for rough
country for a GM 1500 would be
basically,
it's like two different ways of handling slash correcting
for the angles.
So those kits are non cross-member kits.
So your reading, your, your lower control arms,
aren't gonna move down.
They're staying in the factory location.
I believe that does get dropped a tiny bit,
but it can only get dropped so much because it'll run into
the crossmember.
So you do drop the 10 five, I want to say
it's only probably like a half an inch,
maybe even less, but anyway,
the lift comes from the strep spacer.
So they give you a strut spacer
probably measured about an inch and a half to
two inches tall.
That's gonna lift the truck.
And then once the truck is lifted, you're gonna have,
obviously there's increased angles on your control arms,
CV axles, tie, rods, all that stuff.
So what do you do to help this,
or help compensate for that or correct that?
There's two ways.
You can either get a new upper control arm,
which has the ball joint clocked at a greater angle
so that at that new angle of the upper control arm,
the ball joint isn't maxed out,
it's more in a neutral position.
Or what else you can do is
reuse the factory upper control arm.
But then you got to have a new knuckle that will raise that
mounting location of that upper ball joint.
So that it's at less of an angle.
It can also move your tie rod up to as well.
And it can move the CV axle,
where the hole is drilled for
the wheel bearing and everything like that.
So it's just two different ways to accomplish
the same thing.
Does that make sense?
- Which one's better?
- It's hard to say which one's better.
I probably would go with the knuckle kit.
What time is it?
- We're gettin close to the end here
because the men behind,
the guys behind the camera said
we need cut it down to a half an hour.
- Well it's been half an hour hasn't it?
- Yeah, it's been about a half an hour.
So we're just going to get, we have
one more question here, all right?
- Make it a really good question.
- I don't have anything stellar to end it off on.
- I don't believe you.
- AC has asked this question.
Why are you (laughing).
Frank, we can not answer that question.
- Is it inappropriate?
- So AC wants to know a Fox or King shocks and why.
- It's a hard question to answer.
- Very hard.
- I've heard this question asked many times and I guess if
you're talking about just for a lift kit for a truck.
Hard to say.
- I'm gonna say.
- I think King probably has a little bit nicer product
in terms of like
the materials that they use are probably a little
nicer than Fox stuff.
But King is a little,
probably more limited in terms of,
I guess lift could offer me on in terms of what they offer
for lift kits, specifically.
Obviously King can make pretty much anything
that you want but,
if I'm talking about like lift kits that
include King options, probably a little more
limited than Fox.
Fox is nice as well.
I think probably one drawback of Fox is they have a lot of
inventory issues and stuff like that.
And product support isn't always the best.
Like if a certain Fox coil over goes on backorder,
I wouldn't be surprised if it's on back order for
multiple months.
Because they have seen that production issues sometimes.
What's your opinion?
- My opinion is based on the kits that we've done here.
For your basic mall crawler,
the Fox rides a little bit better.
I think the King is more geared towards actual off-road use.
I would say the Fox is a little bit softer,
a little bit more valid for on-road use.
But they're both amazing products.
- Their both in the same tier.
So they're kind of like at the same level.
it's kind of a little bit of a horse piece.
I'd say a lot of people don't like Kings too though,
because of the blue color.
Obviously like I said, King, yes,
I know King will make anything you want.
They'll make custom stuff.
But when we're talking like off the shelf,
lift kits with these parts,
they're always going to be pretty much the King blue.
- What you pointin' at?
- There's a King package over there is what I'm pointing at.
There's a box with King coilovers in it.
- Who's King coilover kit is that?
- I'm not sure, there's no name on it.
at this point it could be anyone who comes in here
and takes it.
- Hey, hey, hey.
- So that's another thing to think about. Like, yeah.
Some people hate the blue color. I think it's kinda cool.
It's a signature color.
And then Fox has a little more neutral colors.
They're just black and silver.
Although they did change the sticker on their reservoirs
now to be like, orange.
So they have orange and some stuff, too.
- Oh yeah, the Fox stuff, the new stuff.
The 3.0 and everything.
- So same tier, it's kind of a horse a piece.
I wouldn't get really hung up on
one versus the other.
Pretty similar stuff.
Whatever one you can get a price on probably is what I
would jump on, I guess.
- Brad, always the budget guy.
Wow. Sorry I'm not rich.
I'm drinking Busch Lite, so.
- This man bought a C20 on his lunch break,
but he's not rich.
- I spent all my money on that truck.
I was going to buy King coilovers
I can't now because I bought an old truck.
- Alright, well, that's gonna wrap up this week's guys.
Be sure to watch this video when it goes up next Thursday
and drop us a few comments about what you want to
see us talk about.
Brad's actually not going to be with us next week.
- I'm not?
- Nope.
We're replacing you with Jared next week.
Yeah, the ginger kid.
Yup.
So think of those comments
you want to talk to him about. - I have a Bronco.
- We're going to discuss his Bronco,
his long hair and...
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