hey what you doing oh I'm selling all
the garbage rods why you selling your
most ngons you love those things I like
them but you know we did a mud test on
these things and they failed like
horribly did you got a sniper and a fin
and this has got a PE scope you're
getting rid of these because of the mud
test right they feel they're worthless
my about one it's time for another
culture commentary and rad video you
think so
I do you need an alignment your shock
absorber to nning into another episode
of in rage you know this is about the
mud test videos they are popular very
for all of our content it's the most
popular content kind of unfortunately
but you know I don't know if I'd say
that I it's weird because I didn't think
that it would be when we did the very
first one I think the first one was the
aka ar-15 one no the very first one was
the Maus 49 all right right but the one
were you Duncan look we're all done but
we've might tested me and the gun and
crazy shrimp things were swimming around
and stuff yeah that was the first one
but but the I thought when I was
thinking of the first one we did that
was the controlled one right with the
incredible wheelbarrow of Mike Wright
was the air 15 and a K yep and and that
was the obvious first choice it's it's
an A in an air 15 okay everyone wants to
see those compared didn't think about it
when we did it I really swear did not
think that that was going to be a big
deal we were gonna plop some one of
these things they were gonna probably
not work they one did one didn't um
we're gonna be like what well it's
indicative of the mechanical design of
the gun not not this go in particular or
not all of the guns that are
representative that in every guys it was
a test of not the aka itself but the
design of the a cane how it dealt with
that particular set of circumstances and
therein lies the rub a test of one very
specific circumstance does not really
give you a note a basis to judge does
not really give you a basis to judge a
firearm for everything no it's
interesting and we are going to continue
to do the mud test because they are
interesting in fact some of the results
have kind of really surprised
the POA lugar I was just gonna say the
Luger astonishing we threw that thing in
that slop and that thing came out of
there ran like a champ yeah what it
means and there's a lot of cultural
myths about the Luger why there are a
lot of people out there who say they got
rid of Luger because it didn't work when
it was dirty
which now that's one of one different
types of dirty absolutely there's dust
there's sand there's mud
the Germans had were three different
types of mud and when we won at least
they referred to at least three
different types of money so they
actually different words for different
types of mud if you have an entire book
on mud in fact there it is mud see II
would mud a military history you can buy
it in the link description text below
right anyways tonight we have no
relation to that guy but the point is is
there's not even one type of mud people
say it's not Russian but it's a Arizona
but it Arizona is a lot like cement
yeah in fact when I clean these rifles
later it's more like excavation and then
clean it but but the point is it is
mechanically interesting Luger was
interesting what are the 1911 did pretty
well not badly dak did terribly well
pretty badly the most in the god did
really badly and we have others coming
we're going to do more because it is
mechanically interested by it tests a
specific portion of the design of the
gun it doesn't tell you if the gun is
not reliable it doesn't tell you if it
has a good service history it doesn't
tell you if it's accurate doesn't tell
you it's inaccurate doesn't tell you if
it's true then type it's not economic
and it doesn't tell you if you shooter
should not depend on that gun right so
in fact the m1 garand there was another
one that's very controversial there's
world war ii training footage we have it
in fact i think we're going to splice it
into this in which they show the guy
purposely carrying the rifle in a
specific way where when he falls in the
mud not if when because this is the
reality of warfare
how to fall properly into mind to
protect the rifle right so it keeps
working
you better get money than your rifle
does yeah in our mud tests were
purposely filling the rifle worst-case
scenario right but another example that
happens in real life too how many
military histories have you read
personal accounts of guys falling into
the muck and their gun completely
getting submerged we read at least one
account of a guy at Passchendaele who
drowned in the month over a set of dates
yes all of him fell in
mud and couldn't get it in a couple days
yeah it wasn't one day it was days they
watched him sink into the goop and
nobody could get him out because they
just get stuck in it themselves
shout out to Dan Carlin and his
fantastic podcast yes
oh no blueprint for Armageddon that's it
so the point being is people said well
that would never happen to a rifle if a
rifle would let that happen who is rifle
he should die that's nonsense
I mean you know even the HBO series the
Pacific there's a scene where he's
trying to climb up the hill with his m1
carbine yep slips falls down the button
this is a TV show but it's
representative of reality falls into the
muck on top of a corpse gets maggots all
over the fact I kind of lose it for a
minute runs up with this m1 carbine and
needs to there's a Japanese Banzai
attack and you goes to pick up the m1 he
just puts it down picks up the different
rifle he knows that isn't going to work
yep it's reality yeah and that's what
this test is and you got submitted a
file over the Internet of US army
military mud testing yeah we had a
viewer who now this is a publicly
available document but it's the US
Army's formal mud testing procedures
along with several other types of
firearm testing and boy they do worse
than we do yeah although it's similar
it's similar but they take the gun and
they dunk it completely submerged in mud
and leave it there for 60 seconds Wow
then they have a they literally have a
viscometer and a specific viscosity of
mud for the test which is makes
scientific repeatable sense and what our
test is not is not scientifically it is
a simple real-world it is an anecdotal
test throw them on there and see what
happens and it does reveal things yeah
you know now here's the thing even
you've got a varying scale of quality of
design some guns are better designed
than others kind of in an overall sense
you also have innate trade-offs that any
firearm designer absolutely has no
choice but to make you're going to
trade-off for example durability and
weight if you want a gun to be literally
bomb-proof all those parts have to be
bigger they have to have more strength
which requires more material and you're
going to end up with a heavier gun the
SUV there you go yes I mean that
trade-off between weight and accuracy
how thick of a barrel do you want the
SVD was designed by Draganov he was
formerly a designer of Olympic
target rifles and he absolutely could
have made the SVD more accurate by
giving it a heavier profile barrel but
couldn't because he had a very strict
weight limit on the gun
so we'll sacrifice you will cut weight
in other places like for example
hollowing out the center of the
buttstock save you just you know
fractions of an ounce afraid of looking
really cool that that is true yeah it's
probably not why he did it
but it wasn't aesthetics probably okay
it's Russian definitely almost really
cool but it's a consciously made
trade-off so just because a gun doesn't
work well in the mud doesn't mean it
maybe it does some other things very
well you know and this is where this aka
thing comes in it I weighed this hope
what really inspired this rant was there
was a comment on one of the videos about
can you test the winchester 94 yep
because I want to know if I can trust
mine whoa that's a lot of conclusions to
be made over this I'm not sure we're
ready for that kind of commitment no and
it's not it's not the right conclusion
to be made right absolutely and you can
look at we had almost 700,000 views on
the a.k video including threats against
life and limb from around the planet in
multiple countries in multiple languages
over this and it's silly because I love
the a k iu zit in the matches regularly
go look at our videos and you'll see how
often I shoot a cases match commonly me
too I have more aks than ARS and I will
tell you I would say this I'll be on
video for this I think an AR is a
fantastic rifle it is intrinsically more
accurate it is way more reliable than
people give it credit for
I agree however if you said you need one
rifle and you have to not maintain it
you there's no way you're going to
maintain this no maintenance besides
maybe water you can't you're not going
to replace parts you're going to need to
depend on that gun for five years in a
stressful environment with no repairs I
would take an aka over an hour
all right the mud test doesn't show that
that's true and that's the point we're
trying to make right so don't blow it
out of proportion it's an interesting
data set it's a data set of one it is
interesting to see what happens with
that particular design with the ingress
of filth and we've learned that with mud
and more sealed gun is better than a
more open gun right so that is a
recurring theme we've seen it multiple
instances you know actually here is a
very interesting here's a trade-off
specifically related to that the more
sealed up a gun is
typically the harder it is to clear
wonky malfunctions good point I
discovered that the Johnson rifle I was
doing some shooting with a 1941 Johnson
and we got some failures to eject and
it's a gigantic pain in the ass to try
and dig cartridges out of that thing
because the magazine sealed on the
bottom it's got this little narrow
ejection port hmm
you look at an m1 and n1 is really easy
to clear malfunctions on you yanked that
thing open and hit the button and just
everything flops out of the gun and then
8k is easier to clear a malfunction on
than an AR you can be trained to deal
with an arrow function in fact but
that's the funny thing is you have to be
there's a type 3 malfunction where you
get a double feed you can go on the
internet right now and look and you'll
find a gazillion different people's
super secret squirrels special drills
for clearing these really nasty
malfunctions well you wouldn't need a
super secret special drill if the whole
top of the action were open like of easy
58 or anything for that matter what's
typically came out function drill pull
the mag well maybe nothing pullback try
to run the action if you have to pull
the mag run the action you can really
have to pull the dust cover off from the
action for the most part that fixes 90%
of it or more right way more but like
for example my Pineau a fantastic
trainer mm-hmm he has a day he spends on
air 15 malfunction clearance it's an
awesome class you do with blindfolds on
and you learn how to deal with just by
feel tactile feel how to clear all these
air Fatima functions I don't think you
could have a day of those under take a
maybe you wouldn't need that right so
and when you get to modern guns you're
talking about for example the Johnson
but you like this gun for example they
already be you have no functions in that
this is a pretty sealed up gun in terms
of now blood we know gets in here we
learn that but when this gun does have a
known function it's a problem it's kind
of nasty oh the the FS 2004 F mm I ran
that for a couple of years the toilet
bowl comes open you'll end up pushing
the button and pulling the gun apart to
deal with a malfunction problem right so
very sealed I bet you would do very well
on that there's even got a little rubber
gasket around the magazine we haven't
done the f2000 but I bet it'll do well I
think it will do extremely well but does
that mean that but you've given up one
thing which is the ability to clear a
malfunction when they have because they
don't study if it's when for that anyway
every engineering design ever is a
trade-off and some of the decisions are
made not for any reason in the field
for cost right some of the designs maybe
cause if this thing cost $10,000 you
know how many people are going to buy it
and how successful it's going to be
pretty to zero and the a K was made for
mass production in less than optimal
machining environments yeah I mean the
the m1 garand was a product of it's a
Canadian design by by John yarn but but
it's an American gun because the
Americans have the ability to
manufacture that kind of gun right the
americas have the ability to manufacture
an ar-15 with all of its clearances and
tolerances and its requirements the
Russians didn't have that in fact they
tried to stamp have to go to milk had to
practiced and then went back to stamp
they had to bring in Germans to teach
them how to do proper stamping to make
the AKM not making fun of it it's just
reality and so there are things in the a
cave designed around those restrictions
yep so is what it is
don't read into them too much we're
going to keep doing them they're awesome
they are cool
but when I see stuff like I want to know
if I should keep a gun or not it's time
for a little bit of rent yeah let's
let's back off on the seriousness there
a bit thanks well call it in thanks for
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