>> ABILITY TO WIN AN AWARD AS A WAY TO SPEAK OUT AGAINST SOME OF
THE INQUALITIES OF THE BLACK
COMMUNITY IS FACING.
NOW, DURING HAD THE
AUDACITY TO TALK ABOUT ANY
QUALITY.
WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU A PART OF HER VIDEO.
>> OH, BUT SOME HEAVEN FORBID SOME OF
THE CRITICISM OF THIS
MOVEMENT.
>> THEN YOU BETTER HAVE AN ESTABLISHED RECORD OF CRITIQUE
OF OUR OPPRESSION.
IF YOU HAVE NO INTEREST IN EQUAL RIGHTS FOR
BLACK PEOPLE, THEN DO NOT MAKE
SUGGESTIONS TO THOSE WHO DO.
SITDOWN.
>>EQUAL RIGHTS, PLEASE TELL ME MR.
WILLIAMS, WHAT RIGHTS BLACK
PEOPLE DON'T HAVE.
ALSO, WHITE PEOPLE WE DO HAVE A RECORD OF
CRITIQUE OF YOUR OPPRESSION, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY OF YOUR
ANCESTORS FOUGHT IN THE CIVIL WAR TO FREE YOUR ANCESTORS?
BLOODIEST ONE THE UNITED STATES HISTORY WAS OVER WHAT WAS RIGHT,
AND IT WAS WHITE PEOPLE FIGHTING IT.
IT WAS WHITE SOUTHERN
DEMOCRATS WHO FOUGHT FOR, NOT
AGAINST SLAVERY.
>> YES, IT IS THE WHITE PEOPLE THAT ARE HELPING OTHER BLACK
PEOPLE.
WITHOUT THE WHITE PEOPLE, THE BLACK PEOPLE WOULD
BE TOTALLY FUCKED.
>> THEY ALSO DIED FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF KEEPING BLACK
PEOPLE AS SLAVES.
THEY THOUGHT IT WAS SO IMPORTANT THAT THEY BE
ABLE TO KEEP BLACK PEOPLE AS PROPERTY THAT THEY WERE WILLING
TO DIE FOR WHAT THEY CONSIDERED TO BE NOT RIGHT.
SHE SAYS IT IS
MAINLY WHITE PEOPLE THAT FIND THE CIVIL WAR TO FREE THE
SLAVES.
THAT IS BECAUSE BLACK PEOPLE WERE ENSLAVED.
BELIEVE
ME, IF YOU HAD GIVEN THEM
WEAPONS THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE, BUT THEY COULDN'T BECAUSE
THEY WERE IN CHAINS, AND SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO ENSLAVED THEM
WERE ALSO YOUR ANCESTORS.
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT JESSE WILLIAMS
IS TALKING ABOUT.
IF YOU THINK HE IS TRYING TO INSULT YOU AND
YOUR BELOVED ANCESTORS, HE'S NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT.
HE'S NOT
TALKING ABOUT SLAVERY FROM
HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO.
HE IS SAYING TODAY, TAMIR RICE GOT
SHOT WITHIN TWO SECONDS.
THEN YOU GO MAKE A REFERENCE TO
MICHAEL BROWN ABOUT PEOPLE
REACHING FOR THE GUN, IT WAS INCONVENIENT FOR YOU AND THE
TAMIR RICE CASE BECAUSE HE WAS UNARMED, THEY NEVER GAVE HIM A
CHANCE, THAT'S WHY YOU SWITCHED IT TO A DIFFERENT THOUGHT
PATTERN IN A DIFFERENT CASE.
>>THAT'S WHY SHE THINKS SHE'S SMART.
LET ME CLARIFY ONE THING
TO CLARIFY HER LACK OF STATISTICS AND FACTS IN THAT
VIDEO.
I DON'T KNOW SHE BELIEVES
WHAT SHE SAYS, I THINK SHE IS A CUTE GIRL WHO WAS ANGLING FOR A
SPECIFIC MARKET AND SHE IS
SPEAKING TO A SPECIFIC AUDIENCE AND HAS DONE WELL FOR HERSELF AS
A RESULT.
SOMEONE WHO IS ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN THE
FACTS, WHO WANTS TO BE A
JOURNALIST, RESEARCHES AND SEES WHETHER THERE IS ANY QUALITY
BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT
COMMUNITIES.
BUT IT DOESN'T SERVE HER PURPOSE.
THERE IS NO
INCENTIVE FOR HER TO DO THAT.
IF SHE ACTUALLY DID REPORT THE
TRUTH TO THE AUDIENCE OF THE
BLAZE IT WOULD NOT BENEFIT HER IN ANY WAY.
SHE IS ANGLING FOR A
POSITION AT FOX NEWS, AND IT WILL BE VERY LUCRATIVE FOR HER,
SHE WILL FIT RIGHT IN.
I DON'T KNOW IF SHE BELIEVES WHAT SHE
SAYS, BUT HER COMMENTARY WAS
STUPID.
THERE WERE NO FACTS BEHIND IT AND TO TALK ABOUT
TAMIR RICE AS IF HE IS SOME SORT OF CRAZY CRIMINAL, HE WAS A
12-YEAR-OLD BOY PLAYING WITH A
TOY GUN IN A PARK IN AN OPEN CARRY STATE.
A COP SHOWED UP AND
SHOT HIM WITHIN TWO SECONDS.
THAT IS NOT HYPERBOLE, THAT IS
FACT.
THAT WAS SHOWN IN THE
VIDEO.
YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY TO GET MAD AT JESSE WILLIAMS FOR
BRINGING UP THAT CASE?
DOES THAT 12-YEAR-OLD LIFE NOT MATTER TO YOU?
APPARENTLY NOT.
>> BEFORE YOU GO INTO THE FACTS, I JUST WANT TO SAY TWO THINGS.
I
AM AMUSED THAT YOU BROUGHT UP
THE WORD JOURNALIST IN THE SAME SENTENCE AS THE BLAZE.
THE PART
THAT BOTHERED ME THE MOST ABOUT
THAT CLIP WAS TAMMY SAYING OFTENTIMES THEY ARE REACHING FOR
THE GUN, THEY ARE TRYING TO GET
GUNS, LIKE THEY HAD IT COMING.
BUT TAMIR RICE WAS A
12-YEAR-OLD.
IF YOUR 12-YEAR-OLD WHITE KID HAD BEEN MURDERED BY A
BLACK GUY, MY GUESS IS YOU WOULD
NOT BE LIKE WELL, WHAT DID HE DO, MAYBE HE HAD IT COMING?
THAT
IS PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE YOUR
REACTION.
LET'S KEEP IT REAL ON THAT FRONT.
LET'S GIVE YOU THE ACTUAL STATISTICS AND FACTS.
>> THIS ARGUMENT THAT BLACK PEOPLE HAVE ALL THE RIGHTS THAT
WHITE PEOPLE DO, THERE IS ABSOLUTE EVIDENCE AND DATA
INDICATING THAT THERE IS
INSTITUTIONAL RACISM AND RACIAL BIAS THAT PLAYS A HUGE ROLE IN
OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.
WE TALKED
ABOUT IT IN GREAT DETAIL ON THIS SHOW ON A REGULAR BASIS.
IF YOU
WANT TO START AT A VERY YOUNG LEVEL, BLACK CHILDREN MAKE UP
18% OF THE PRESCHOOL POPULATION BUT REPRESENT ALMOST ALL OUT OF
SCHOOL SUSPENSIONS.
THIS WILL NOTION OF BLACK PEOPLE BEING
MORE VIOLENT THAN WHITE PEOPLE
IS ALSO RIDICULOUS.
BLACK CHILDREN ARE 18 TIMES MORE
LIKELY TO BE SENTENCED AS ADULTS THAN WHITE CHILDREN AND MAKE UP
60% OF CHILDREN AND PRISONS,
THIS IS ACCORDING TO THE APA.
>> LIKE THE MARIJUANA STATISTICS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, I DON'T
WANT YOU TO GET THE WRONG
IMPRESSION, THEY DO THE SAME ACTS AT THE SAME RATE AS WHITE
PEOPLE, THEY SIMPLY GET ñ WHETHER IT IS SUSPENSION OR
IMPRISONMENT, BUT THEY GET TREATED AS ADULTS AT SUCH AN
ENORMOUSLY HIGH RATE FOR THE
SAME CRIMES.
IF A WHITE KID DOES IT, OH, COME ON IT'S JUST A KID.
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE JUVENILE
SYSTEM AND NOT THE ADULT SYSTEM.
AT THE BLACK KID DOES IT,
THOUGH, THAT IS A DANGEROUS KID.
BUT YOU NEVER SEE THAT BECAUSE
YOU ARE NOT BLACK.
IN YOUR EXPERIENCE, SINCE YOU DIDN'T
EXPERIENCE IT ñ
WE PROVE IT TO YOU BUT YOU STILL WANT TO CLOSE YOUR EYES TO IT.
>>LET ME GIVE YOU SOME MORE.
THAT STATISTIC, BLACK CHILDREN
ARE 18 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE
TRIED AS ADULTS FOR THE SAME CRIME.
BUT NO, THEY HAVE ALL THE
SAME RIGHTS.
JESSE WILLIAMS BRINGING UP THESE ISSUES IS
RIDICULOUS AND WE NEED TO IGNORE
IT.
BY THE WAY, WHY ARE YOU SO ANGRY THAT SOMEONE IS BRINGING
UP THE INJUSTICES THEY ARE EXPERIENCING IN SOCIETY?
WHAT
DOES IT TAKE AWAY FROM YOU?
WHY DOES THAT MAKE YOU SO
UNCOMFORTABLE?
I'M WHITE, I'M NOT UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT.
I
KNOW THAT I WANT TO FIX IT.
WE LIVE IN AMERICA WHERE WE ARE
SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THAT
EVERYONE ñ.
>> NOT ONE PERSON HERE HAS EVER TAKEN RACIAL BIAS PERSONALLY.
IF
WE BRING UP A FACT, JOHN
IADAROLA ñ THEY SAY WHERE YOU BRINGING THAT UP?
AND BY THE WAY
THERE ALSO ñ THERE IS HISTORICAL CONTEXT TO WHAT HAPPENED, AND WE
NEED TO HELP FIX IT.
BUT THE
PEOPLE WHO REACT MOST IRONICALLY ñ WHY DO YOU GET SO BOTHERING
PEOPLE TALK ABOUT GENERIC RACIAL BIAS IN ALL OF SOCIETY.
IT SEEMS
LIKE YOU'RE TAKING IT A LITTLE
PERSONALLY.
>>LET'S TALK ABOUT COLLEGE GRADUATES.
IN THE WORKPLACE
BLACK COLLEGE GRADUATES ARE TWICE AS LIKELY AS WHITES TO
STRUGGLE TO FIND JOBS.
THE JOBLESS RATE FOR ñ A STUDY FOUND
THAT PEOPLE WITH BLACK SOUNDING
NAMES HAD TO SEND OUT ñ WE TALKED ABOUT THE STUDY.
>> YOU HAVE A 50% LOWER CHANCE OF EVEN HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO
GET AN INTERVIEW IF YOU HAVE THE
BLACK SOUNDING NAMES ARE.
>>WHY ARE YOU BRINGING THIS UP?
DON'T YOU KNOW ABOUT THE CIVIL
WAR WHERE WHITE PEOPLE THOUGHT TO END SLAVERY?
>> THAT IS NOT A LAW THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T GIVE
BLACK PEOPLE JOBS.
THAT IS WHY WE TALK ABOUT THE IMPLICIT BIAS
THAT A LOT OF SOCIETY HAS, EVEN
IF THEY DON'T KNOW THEY HAVE IT.
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO BLAME THEM, WE ARE TRYING TO FIX THE
SITUATION.
>>IS A BLACK PERSON KILLS A WHITE PERSON, THEY ARE TWICE AS
LIKELY TO RECEIVE THE DEATH SENTENCE AS A WHITE PERSON WHO
KILLED A BLACK PERSON.
LOCAL PROSECUTORS ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY
TO BRING A CASE TO FELONY MURDER IF YOU ARE BLACK, THEN IF YOU
ARE WHITE.
>>IS AT THE CONTENTION THAT BLACK PEOPLE SHOULD BE EXECUTED
AT A GREATER RATE, FOR THE SAME CRIMES?
CAN THEY REALLY MAKE
THAT ARGUMENT WITH A STRAIGHT
FACE?
IF IT'S MURDER EITHER WAY, MAKE SURE BLOCKS GET EXECUTED AT
A GREATER RATE.
IS ANYONE LONESOME ENOUGH TO MAKE THAT
CASE?
ARE THEY WILLING TO BE HONEST ABOUT THEIR OWN POSITIONS
AND COME OUT AND SAY YES, WE
SHOULD IMPRISON BLACK KIDS MORE FOR THE SAME CRIMES AS
WHITE PEOPLE DO?
GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE CASE.
>> OBVIOUSLY WHEN IT COMES TO SENTENCING THERE IS A HUGE
DISPARITY.
BLACK PEOPLE STAY IN PRISON LONGER THAN WHITE PEOPLE,
FOR THE SAME CRIMES, UP TO 20% LONGER THAN WHITE PEOPLE SERVING
TIME FOR SIMILAR CRIMES.
THEY GET MUCH HARSHER SENTENCES.
MORE
LIKELY TO BE SENTENCED TO DEATH AND THEN WHITE PEOPLE FOR THE
SAME CRIMES.
WHITES AND BLACKS
REPRESENT ABOUT HALF OF THE MURDER VICTIMS FROM YEAR TO
YEAR, BUT 77% OF PEOPLE WHO ARE
EXECUTED ñ WHEN ONLY 13% OF DEATH ROW EXECUTES ñ THOSE ARE
ALL STATISTICS THAT LOOK AT THE
BIGGER PICTURE.
THEN THERE ARE CASES OF ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE THAT
ALSO DRIVE YOU CRAZY.
YOU HAVE A WHITE STANFORD UNIVERSITY
STUDENT GETTING CAUGHT RAPING AN UNCONSCIOUS WOMAN IN THE BACK OF
A DUMPSTER, AND HE GETS SIX
MONTHS IN JAIL FOR IT.
THEN YOU HAVE SOMEONE LIKE BRIAN BANKS,
ACCUSED OF RAPE WHEN HE WAS 16, LATER THE WOMAN SAID SHE MADE IT
OUT ñ BUT HERE IS WHAT PROSECUTORS DID AND HIS DEFENSE
ATTORNEY STATED, THEY SAID O
SHIT YOU ARE FACING YEARS IN PRISON AND YOU HAVE AN ALL-WHITE
JURY, SO YOU NEED TO TAKE A PLEA
DEAL.
THEY PRESSURED HIM TO THE POINT WHERE HE FINALLY JUST
DECIDED TO TAKE A PLEA DEAL.
HE SERVED FIVE YEARS IN PRISON FOR
A CRIME HE DID NOT COMMIT.
AND BY THE WAY, HE SPENT A YEAR IN A
JUVENILE DETENTION CENTER BEFORE HIS CASE EVEN CAME UP.
WHAT
HAPPENED TO A SPEEDY TRIAL?
THOSE ARE THE CASES THAT BLACK
INDIVIDUALS ARE TALKING ABOUT.
IF YOU DID A LITTLE BIT OF
RESEARCH AND FOCUSED ON THE FACTS INSTEAD OF YOUR TALKING
POINTS THAT APPEAL TO THE BIGOTS THAT WATCH HER SHOW, MAYBE YOU
WOULD KNOW THAT?
BUT THERE IS NO INCENTIVE FOR YOU TO DO THAT, YOU WOULD
BE OUT OF A JOB.
>> FOR THE STANFORD CASE, THEY SAY THAT HE WAS A YOUNG KID WITH
A PROMISING FUTURE.
HE WAS 22.
BANKS WAS ACTUALLY A YOUNG KID
AT THE AGE OF 16, HE WAS A GOOD STUDENT, AND WAS ON HIS WAY TO
GETTING A SCHOLARSHIP.
BUT HE WAS BLACK, HOW PROMISING COULD
HIS FUTURE REALLY BE?
LET'S TRY HIM AS AN ADULT AND GIVE HIM A
LOT MORE TIME.
A GOES ON AND ON.
LASTLY, THIS IS ENDLESS.
>>STOP AND FRISK, THAT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE.
>> OVER 90% OF THE TIME IT IS MINORITIES THAT ARE
STOP AND
FRISK.
AND THEN FINALLY THE MARIJUANA ONE.
BLACKS AND WHITES
TO MARIJUANA AT THE SAME RATE.
BLOCKS ARE ARRESTED AT FOUR
TIMES THE RATE.
IT DOESN'T HAVE
TO BE CODIFIED IN LAW, IT IS OFTENTIMES THE RACISM THAT IS
PRACTICED, AND THAT IS EMPIRICAL PROVED BY DATA, AND THAT IS THE
BIAS THAT THIS SOCIETY HAS THAT WE TRY TO POINT OUT.
BECAUSE WE
ARE DECENT HUMAN BEINGS WE TRY TO FIGHT A GUEST, WHERE AS YOU
THINK IT IS FANTASTIC IT SHOULD
BE DEFENDED.
THAT IS PART OF WHAT MAKES YOU NOT A TERRIFIC
HUMAN BEING.