BEFORE OUR COMMITTEE.
SO SHE'S GOT A CHOICE TO MAKE.
IF SHE DOESN'T NOTIFY GRASSLEY'S
OFFICE BY 10:00 A.M. TOMORROW
MORNING, SHE'S NOT ALLOWED TO
COME.
THAT'S PROCEDURE IN THE SENATE.
AND THIS HAS BACK A PARTISAN
FIGHT LIKE ALL THE SUPREME COURT
CONFIRMATION HEARINGS DO.
BACK IN THE DAY IF THE NOMINEE
WAS QUALIFIED, THEY'D GET ON THE
COURT WHETHER THEY'RE LEFT OR
RIGHT.
NOW YOU GET SAVAGED.
>> IF YOU GET A HEARING AT ALL.
AMERICA GARLAND DIDN'T GET HIS.
>> RIGHT.
WHAT HAPPENS NOW?
CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD IS IN THE
MIDDLE OF THIS AND SO IS BRETT
KAVANAUGH.
PEOPLE ARE DIVIDED.
>> I KEEP COMING BACK TO THE
OPINION PIECE THAT ANITA HILL
DID IN THE NEW YORK TIMES
EARLIER THIS WEEK, AND SHE MADE
THE POINT THAT THE FACT THAT THE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE DOESN'T HAVE
AN EXISTING PROTOCOL TO FIELD
SEXUAL HARASSMENT AND SEXUAL
ASSAULT COMPLAINTS IS DECADES
AFTER SHE HERSELF WAS REQUIRED
TO TESTIFIED IN MIDST OF THE ME
TOO MOVEMENT IS PRETTY
OUTRAGEOUS, AND WE'RE SEEING THE
TERRIBLE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT.
>> CAN I TELL YOU SOMETHING?
I THINK DIANE FEINSTEIN BEARS A
LOT OF THE BLAME HERE.
THIS WOMAN FOUND A WAY TO COME
FORWARD AND IT WAS BURIED.
>> THAT SPEAKS TO WHY THERE
SHOULD BE A PROTOCOL, SOMETHING
THAT'S HANDLING THESE TYPES OF
ISSUES ON THE FRONT END.
IF A WOMAN SAYS I HAVE AN
ALLEGATION, SHOULD SHE BE ABLE
TO MAKE THAT ANONYMOUSLY?
>> BUT SHE DID.
THE REASON YOU NEED A PROCESS IS
SO WOMEN FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE A
PLACE TO GO.
CHRISTINE BLASEY FORD FOUND A
WAY.
>> DID SHE, THOUGH?
BUT SHE DIDN'T.
>> WHY DIDN'T DIANE FEINSTEIN
STAY WHEN SHE MET ONE ON ONE, I
RECEIVED A SERIOUS ALLEGATION
SHE DIDN'T HAVE TO NAME HER.
>> I THINK, AND I COULD BE
WRONG, BUT I THINK PART OF THE
CONDITIONS OF HER COMING FORWARD
TO ANONYMOUSLY TELL FEINSTEIN IS
THAT SHE DIDN'T WANT TO BE
BROUGHT UP AND BROUGHT THROUGH
THE RINGER.
>> THINK OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW
I'VE BEEN HARASSED.
YOU CAN NEVER MENTION IT TO
ANYBODY.
THAT'S CLEARLY NOT WHAT SHE
WANTED.
>> THAT'S THE ISSUE OF IF WHAT
SHE WAS ASKING FOR WAS IT A
REASONABLE ASK?
IS THERE A SYSTEM IN PLACE
THAT'S PUT IN PLACE TO TAKE
THESE ACCUSATIONS AND
INVESTIGATE THEM ANONYMOUSLY?
THE FIRST BIGGEST PROBLEM IS THE
FACT THAT IT LEAKED.
HER NAME LEAKED.
>> THE DEMOCRATS LEAKED IT.
THE DEMOCRATS LEAKED IT.
>> WE DON'T KNOW THAT.
>> LISTEN, THEY'RE THE ONES WHO
HAD HER NAME.
>> THE OTHER REAL IMPORTANT
ISSUE HERE IS THAT THE REASON
THAT THEY'RE TURNING TO THE FBI
IN PART, THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT --
POLITICS ASIDE, IS TO FIND A
BODY THAT CAN LOOK AT THIS
OUTSIDE OF THIS POLITICAL
PROCESS IN A WAY THAT IS
COMPLETE AND FAIR.
>> IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
>> THAT'S EXACTLY -- THAT WAS
THE OTHER POINT ANITA HILL MADE
TO SAY LISTEN, LET'S FACE THE
FACT.
THERE HASN'T BEEN AN EXISTING
PROTOCOL IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE
THINGS ARE HANDLED FAIRLY, BUT
NOW WE'RE AT THIS POINT AND
MOVING FORWARD, WE NEED AN
INDEPENDENT BODY TO FIELD THIS
INFORMATION.
>> IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE
SOMETHING PUT IN PLACE, BUT THIS
ISN'T.
TRUMP'S POINT IS FBI DOES --
PRESIDENT BUSH ORDERED THE FBI
TO DO AN ADDITIONAL
INVESTIGATION IN THE ANITA HILL
CASE.
I UNDERSTAND PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
POINT.
THAT'S NOT THEIR JURISDICTION.
NO FEDERAL CRIME HAS BEEN
ALLEGED HERE.
THIS HAPPENED 36 YEARS AGO ONE
OTHER POINT AND I'LL GIVE YOU
THE FLOOR.
SHE WILL GET A PROCESS WHETHER
THERE WAS AN FBI INVESTIGATION
OR NOT.
SHE WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT TO
TESTIMONY BEFORE THE SENATORS.
THIS IS ABOUT THE SENATE'S DUTY
TO ADVISE AND CONSENT.
THEY'RE IN CHARGE OF WHAT WOULD
HELP THEM MAKE A RECOMMENDATION.
>> LET'S THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT
MEANS.
REAL PEOPLE DR. FORD IS IN RIGHT
NOW.
THE SENATE IS NOT AN
INVESTIGATORY BODY.
THE REPUBLICANS HAVE SET UP A
SITUATION WHERE IT'S ONLY HE
SAID SHE SAID.
THEY WILL NOT HAVE ANY WITNESSES
RELEVANT TO THIS.
IF THERE'S AN INDEPENDENT
INVESTIGATIVE BODY THEY CAN
INTERVIEW THE TWO PEOPLE --
>> THEY'RE NOT SOLVING CRIMES.
>> BUT THIS GUY --
>> THEY'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT
WHAT DO WE NEED AT THIS POINT TO
FIGURE OUT OUR ADVISE AND
CONSENT DUTY.
THEY SAID WE NEED HER TO TESTIFY
FIRST AND FOREMOST, AND THEN HIM
TO BE SUBJECTED TO CROSS
EXAMINATION.
EVEN SUSAN COLLINS OFFERED TO
HAVE EACH PARTY'S RESPECTIVE
COUNSEL CROSS EXAMINE THE OTHER.
>> IF THIS IS A LEGITIMATE
INQUIRY TO FIND OUT --
>> BRING IN MARK JUDGE.
I'M IN FAVOR OF MORE.
>> THE REASON SHE'S RELUCTANT TO
GO FORWARD IS THIS IS A
POLITICAL CIRCUS.
SHE IS GOING TO BE TAKEN THROUGH
THE RINGER.
>> WHENEVER YOU INJECT
YOURSELF -- YOU'RE NEVER GOING
TO GET RID OF THAT.
THE POLITICAL NATURE OF THIS IN
A SUPREME COURT CONFIRMATION
HEARING.
>> BUT YOU COULD --
>> IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THE
FBI.
>> YOU THINK SHE'S NOT GOING TO
GIVE TESTIMONY BEFORE THE SENATE
EVEN IF THE FBI INVESTIGATES?
>> SHE SAID SHE WOULD.
>> MY POINT IS DO YOU THINK
SHE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO AVOID
PARTISAN SHOW?
>> OF COURSE.
>> IT'S ALWAYS GOING -- YOU
THINK THE FBI IS GOING TO SAY
SHE'S TELLING THE TRUTH?
>> NO, THEY'LL HAVE INTERVIEWS
OF THE OTHER PEOPLE AND
INVESTIGATE AND FIGURE OUT IF
THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WITH
RELEVANT INFORMATION.
>> THAT'S FINE WITH ME, BUT
SHE'S REFUSING TO TESTIFY AT ALL
UNLESS SHE GETS TO DICTATE THE
PROCESS.
YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND CHRISTINE
BLASEY FORD WHO I WANT TO
TESTIFY.
SHE SHOULD, AND I THINK SHE
WOULD FIND IT AN EMPOWERING
EXERCISE AND I THINK SHE'LL
REGRET IT TO THE DAY SHE DIES IF
SHE DOESN'T DO IT.
>> SHE'S ASKING FOR THE
INDEPENDENT GATHERING OF
INFORMATION.
>> BUT SHE'S NOT IN CHARGE OF
THE U.S. SENATE.
>> BUT THIS IS VERY DIFFICULT
FOR HER.
>> BUT THERE'S A PROCESS.
WOMEN WHO ARE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED
DON'T WANT TO GO INTO FEDERAL
COURT AND TESTIFY AT ALL.
>> I KNOW.
>> AND YOU KNOW WHAT?
THEY DO IT.
AND YOU CANNOT SAY TO THE JUDGE,
IT WILL BE UNDER MY TERMS.
>> NOT A WEEK AFTER COMING OUT.
>> THAT'S DIANE FEINSTEIN'S
FAULT.
>> THIS GOES BACK TO THE FACT
THAT THERE AREN'T HARD AND FAST
GUIDELINES.
YOU'RE SAYING SHE SHOULDN'T MAKE
UP THE RULES BUT WE'RE LOOKING
AT THE REPUBLICANS ON THE
COMMITTEE MAKING UP THE RULES?
>> THEY'RE IN CHARGE.
THE REPUBLICANS ARE HANDLING IT.
>> WHAT THE RUSH?
>> THEY'RE IN CHARGE.
>> THAT'S A QUESTION THAT'S
PARTISAN.
BOTH SIDES ARE TREATING THIS --
>> THE RUSH IS THERE'S AN
ELECTION AND --
>> THEY'VE HAD THE ALLEGATIONS
FOR A MONTH PLUS.
THEY WANTED DELAY.
THEY'RE TRYING TO PUSH IT TO
AFTER THE MIDTERMS.
THE SAME REASON THE REPUBLICANS
DON'T WANT TO LOOK INTO IT.
>> TWO WEEKS.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANOTHER
NOMINEE THROUGH BEFORE THE
ELECTION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.
DELAY IT A WEEK OR TWO.
THEY HAVE PLENTY OF TIME IF IT
IS BORN OUT, AND THEN YOU MOVE
ON.
>> YOU KNOW VERY WELL WHAT'S
HAPPENING.
THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING TO
DELAY IT UNTIL AFTER THE
MIDTERMS AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE
TRYING TO RUSH IT THROUGH.
>> BUT BOTH --
>> BUT THERE'S TIME.
>> BRETT KAVANAUGH AND BLASEY
FORD DESERVE AN INDEPENDENT
ANALYSIS OF THE CASE THAT
INCLUDES WITNESSES AND THEIR
TESTIMONY AND THEY'RE NOT
GETTING IT.
>> I'M IN FAVOR OF AN
INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION, BUT I
THINK THE SENATE CAN DO IT.
THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR A LONG
TIME -- THEY HAVE.
>> INVESTIGATING?
>> THEY'RE GOING TO ASK
QUESTIONS OF THE WITNESSES.
THAT'S ALL THEY NEED TO DO.
THIS IS NOT A CRIMINAL
INVESTIGATION.
IT'S ADVISE AND CONSENT.
THAT'S THEIR OWN OBLIGATION.
>> BACK TO 1991 AND THE WAY THEY
TREATED ANITA HILL.
>> THEY OFFERED TO DO IT IN
PRIVATE.
BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND LET HER
ATTORNEY DO THE QUESTIONING AND
HIS.
>> I THINK THAT'S DECEPTIVE.
I THINK THEY'RE FRAMING IT AS IN
PUBLIC OR PRIVATE.
YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT
PEOPLE -- THE BASICALLY
REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRATIC
POLITICAL FIGURES DOING THE
QUESTIONING.
>> IT'S