I'm sure some of you reading this title feel
a bit nostalgic and it's because we used
to make videos like these all the time,
these were our bread and butter,
just sorting through a bunch of different Craigslist,
Facebook Marketplace, eBay listings,
ads for PCs, PC parts, et cetera,
and breaking down the good ones and the bad ones
and why they were good and bad.
We used to talk about individual component prices,
we'd create PC part picker links, show examples
of things you could buy that were much better deals
than what sellers were asking for their hardware.
Well, my friends, we are back at it.
This time, we're gonna be looking
at Facebook Marketplace deals,
they're not really deals.
These are gonna be really, really rough ads.
The ones you're seeing here actually are pretty good
for the most part, but you'll see
that some folks are still living in lalaland.
They think that their graphics cards are worth
what they paid two years ago for them
and right now card prices are
coming down significantly, actually.
Every week, it seems, we get closer and closer
to MSRP for new releases and the cards that have been
on the market for two, three years already,
those you can actually find under MSRP again,
which is just, that's, oh, lovely.
So we're gonna look at some awful ones
and I implore you to stay as far away
from these as possible, they are downright awful
and you're gonna see why here in a second.
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Right, so let's jump straight into it.
I think I have eight or nine listings here
and the first one is already a doozy.
So this here is the ad,
you can see the setup actually looks quite nice,
got a cat right there in the photo, that's cool.
The build looks great,
I have no complaints just aesthetically looks
like it was built well, whoever built this knew
what he or she was doing.
You know, all around, decent impressions
until you get to the description.
Now, again, this is where you're gonna wanna brace
for impact, so "Complete Gaming Computer Set Up,"
this does include a few monitors and a few other things
that you might not be interested in,
but just yeah, $4,400, okay?
That's already a kick in the teeth.
He says, "Price is $4,400 I will not ship,
I'm open to offers, but price is pretty firm
as this would cost a good bit over $5,000 to build now
without taxes or shipping included.
Selling to fund a new custom loop PC I'm wanting to build
and design the setup around.
Everything works perfectly and most of the stuff
I have receipts for are under manufacturer's warranty still,
no secondhand parts in this build."
He said, "It's a top of the line gaming setup,
ideal for multitasking, gaming, streaming, content creation,
music, edit, blah, blah, blah,"
okay, all right, this dude is
a freaking used car salesman, that's fantastic.
He has a core i7, a 10700k in here,
that's not top of the line,
that's actually two generations old
and it wasn't even the best in that generation
when it came out, but okay.
32 gigs of DDR4,
a 3070 Ti,
that's also not top of the line
and then for storage, you've got a 500 gig, 970 EVO,
that's not a lot of NVMe storage
and then a two-terabyte BarraCuda hard disk drive,
that's, okay, all right, you guys get the point.
He's including a 3440x1440p 120 Hertz G-Sync monitor
and a Odyssey G7 4k 144,
that's actually a pretty sweet monitor
and then a few like microphones and things
it's just, yeah, all around like the PC is the bulk of this,
but do understand that you're getting a couple other things
that are fairly pricey as well, including those monitors.
He says that the total cost for him was $4,431.60,
if you wanna take him at his word
and then he conveniently includes a PC part picker link.
Now, if we click on sudden link you'll find
the price on here is actually lower
than what he says it cost him.
Now, obviously prices change, right?
So that's that shouldn't be news to anyone,
but he says it would cost you over 5k to build today
and right now the proof is in the pudding.
I mean, he supplied the proof at that
so he is contradicting himself in a way.
$4,181.87 and that includes all this crap.
I mean, like we're talking the keyboard, mouse, headset,
a fricking Razor webcam, if you wanted that for $71,
he's got both monitors in here,
he's got a Windows 10 Pro OEM key for $137,
you should never pay that much for a retail key.
If at that point all you wanna do is
either buy retail or bust,
just don't activate Windows, deal with the watermark,
$140 for that is just nuts
and I have my doubts about whether or not
he even paid $137 for it, but that's beside the point.
Everything else in here looks to be pretty accurate,
but you can see the real blow to his budget
I believe is the RTX 3070 Ti here.
This is priced right now on Amazon at $759 or so
and I'm almost certain he paid a lot more than this
if he built it a few months to maybe a year ago.
These cards were like 12, 13, 14, $1,500
and the fact that you can get one for half that price now is
what I imagine is offsetting his expectations a bit
so I would be very disappointed if
someone actually paid him anything over four grand
for this considering most of these components are used.
Now, on to listing number two.
This person is calling this
a "Complete Streaming Set Up" $4,000, oof,
this better be a good one.
Open to trades for anything, just wants it gone, I guess.
I have a complete streaming, editing, gaming,
literally do anything set up, just want offers.
PC, core i7 10700K
in a $4,000 system, 16 gigs of DDR4 Imagine,
RTX 2060 Super.
I love it, very new, well that's great in all,
but I can't swallow this 2060 Super
in a $4,000 build problem.
I guess it's great that we're getting
a 27-inch 165 Hertz monitor in here
as well as a 24-inch 75 Hertz monitor
and a Dell 22-inch monitor.
Oh, they haven't actually given me specific model names
so I don't know what these costs,
this isn't specific enough.
I imagine this one is a pretty cheap monitor
because these stats are pretty underwhelming
and I think this Dell monitor is just like
as bare bones as it gets.
Let's see in the photos here,
do we have anything that reveals the kinds
of monitors that we're working?
That looks like the Dell-
Yeah, so these are really, really-
It looks like you stole us outta my high school.
Also the part where he says,
"XLR mic don't remember brand, but it's nice."
(laughs)
Like thanks bro.
Are you sure you even know what you're selling here?
He says he doesn't play games or stream
all he ever uses it for is editing videos or photos
and don't need something this big.
Well, that's great and all,
but 4 grand, you are way off the mark my friend.
Now, the next one, arguably, is just as bad.
This is just titled "Gaming PC"
and this person wants $3,800 for just the rig.
It's got an AMD Ryzen 9 5900x, which is a great CPU,
4 sticks of DDR4, 32 gigs, I'm assuming that's
what this is here, two SSD hard drives?
Which is it?
An M.2 500 gig and external one terabyte SSD, all right.
A GPU, ASUS 2060 Super,
hey, another 2060 Super hits the list,
but this guy just he's willing to trade it.
He is asking way too much for it, 3,800 bucks
like you're probably twice the list price this should be at.
This is under two grand easily in today's market.
Now, this next listing's pretty good.
It's an OMEN 30L and you can buy these from sites
like Best Buy, you can even go in store in the Best Buy
and sometimes you'll have 'em in stock
this is just a prebuilt from HP
and this person wants $3,500 for this, but the description
and the specs are extremely underwhelming.
Firstly, we have a bunch of stuff here
that's just, frankly, not all that important
like what is this?
Like why even, you know, include this crap?
This is stuff that's just copied and pasted straight
from the company website and it's a huge turnoff.
List the relevant stuff, right?
The 3060 Ti that you get in here, the Z490 mother board,
you get your storage drives, right?
You get two, two terabyte NVMes,
two, two terabyte hard disk drives,
McAfee, I don't know if that's relevant or not,
probably not, 64 gigs of DDR4,
yeah, most Office trial Windows 10 ADV, no Optane like what?
No Optane, okay, great
and then a liquid cooled i9-10850K.
Now, this is the best part, in my opinion,
Selling it at a $700 lost
so you'll be saving that and taxes on it.
Ugh, you're doing me such
a big favor here, much appreciated.
Total price paid for was $4,077.63,
it's in like new condition.
The price is firm, I will not reply any email
for a negotiate price, cash or Zelle only
if I am meeting a person.
I am not looking for any trades, looking to sell only.
Please don't message me asking if I want to trade.
That just makes me wanna ask even more now
like I really wanna-
Will you accept a trade for this?
Typically, the way the internet works
and I'm sure most of you know this already
if you call too much attention to something
it's bound to happen.
Like you could just say no trades please
or something like that, something along those lines
where it's just like a single sentence
that lets the person shopping know
that you're not interested in them,
but when you call too much attention to it
you're almost asking for it.
It's a bit like sticking, you know,
fragile, no dropping stickers all over a package
that you're shipping via UPS or FedEx.
It's gonna be dropped just
because you told them not to so many times.
So this is a listing I found for 1,929 bucks.
Now, I'm sure you could spec this even higher.
Let's see, this is a $2,049 one,
let's see what this one is.
So this is a one terabyte SSD, a 3080 in it.
Now, the storage is definitely lacking.
First off, we have 16 gigs of DDR4 instead of 32
and we also don't have anywhere near
the actual physical storage capacity
for media and the like.
However, we have a significantly better graphic skirt
in here and an arguably better AMD Ryzen 7 CPU in here
and we're only paying two RAM for it.
So $2,000 for this and you want how much?
Like in the high threes for your rig?
That is inferior in many ways.
There's a huge disconnect here.
So I think the pattern you're starting to see here is
that folks are living in the past.
They are assuming that because they spent two grand
on their 3080 2 years ago
that somehow those prices still must make sense today
and they don't because you can buy
a 3080 right now brand new for under 1,000 bucks,
that's how quickly this market swings.
It did it back in 2018 it'll do it again now
and I'm sure it'll happen again in the future
it tends to repeat itself right over and over
these trends of, you know, things will get expensive
and then very cheap and then expensive again
and it's just the ebb and flow of supply and demand, right?
We can't expect to pay a huge premium
to help out this seller who just happened to buy
at the worst time in history, okay?
We don't need to do anyone any favors,
it's our job to maximize value
and to pay as little as possible as the buyer
for whatever good or service we're looking for
and it's the seller's job to maximize profit,
but if you are so far apart
because the seller's expectations are just clearly coming
from a different planet,
then there's just no point even bothering, right?
Still some folks will entertain this
they might reach out to this person
and they might even pay what he or she's asking
because they don't do any ounce of research at all
and some would argue at that point,
they kind of deserve it, right?
Moving on then let's see, what do we have next?
Oh yes, okay, this was a mining, this was a mining listing
that I wanted to show you guys.
So this is a mining rig that was literally assembled
on some Amazon basic shelves, they're just laying there
so it's not a professional setup by any means.
You can see it's got a 1300-watt G+ power supply
that's gonna be a few hundred bucks in of itself used,
but still the platform is probably very cheap
they don't need to be, you know, beefy by any means
it's the graphic scores that do all the work here
and there are eight cards in total, 7360 Tis,
13070 all founders edition models
and this person has these listed for $10,000.
Again, living in the past
that's not what you can buy these for today.
These are under 1,000 bucks a pop,
but if you do the math, this person wants over $1,000 each.
This next one's a funny one $7,000
"Brand New Pro Gaming PC."
Says he just build in it, getting the graphics card was
a mission, selling the entire set,
if interested ask for more details.
Graphics card NVIDIA RTX 3070 Ti.
We're already off to a disastrous start.
You want seven grand for a build that is very beautiful,
mind you, you can tell it was assembled professionally
or by someone who at least knows what he or she's doing
and you've got a fricking 3070 Ti in it
like this card costs again under 1,000 bucks
so where's the other six grand coming from?
Six grand plus.
We've got a Ryzen 7 5800X in here,
that's a few hundred bucks by this point,
a B five-
You don't even give us X570, you give us a B550 board,
not that there's anything wrong with that,
but it's clearly the cheaper option in a seven grand rig.
I don't feel very, very good about that at all
and 64 gigs of RAM,
which you you're not giving us anything else here.
I need more info, okay?
I shouldn't have to ask you for more details
in a listing like this.
Just save us both a hassle
and include the important details ahead of time.
So this was originally listed for $4,200.
It's okay looking.
I think it-
I dunno, I don't like this case very much
it's a bit too much empty space in here,
but for $4,200 originally it had a 3070 Ti in it,
four terabytes worth of hard disk drive storage, I think?
There's a one terabyte, M.2 in here,
and I don't even know how much RAM
like it just says 3,200 DDR4, I don't know what that is.
Intel Core i9 11th gen, Z590, Microsoft Home,
an AIO, you know, it's like,
it's a decent mid to high end rig,
but then 4,200 OBO.
Now, here's the funny part,
this person probably realized
that they're asking price, which is just outlandish,
so they dropped it to a much more reasonable, right?
$3,400, which is still horse crap.
That is still way more than you should be paying
for this rig. I think this person's gonna be in
for a rude awakening in a few days
and we've got one more here I saved a pretty good one
for last it's borderline laughable.
So this is a very basic description
for an "ITX Gaming PC" listed at $5,200
it says special custom ITX build, ASUS strix 3080,
Intel Core i9 11900K overclocked, NZXT Kraken Z63,
and ITX case.
Again, what is up with people asking this much money
for stuff that they don't even bother listing out properly.
You're missing half of the specs here
and the specs that you did include are super vague.
I have a feeling I know what this case is,
but I'm not totally sure
and I do see some issues with the way that it like, okay,
so you've got a power supply fan just laid directly against
a tempered glass panel that ain't gonna end well.
This first shot is pretty cool.
I didn't know you could upload like
I dunno if this is a GIF or not or a full fledged video,
but here on Facebook Marketplace
I guess you can upload stuff like this now
and you can see the lights and the, you know,
the LCD screen here or the I think it's an OLED screen
for these Z63s, but anyway, it's a good looking build apart
from the very obvious choking of airflow here
for the power supply,
but where's the $5,200 coming from?
Again, if you're gonna ask this much money
at least bother to spell out the specs,
but the specs that you do have here are super underwhelming
and this is a 3080 which is a really good card,
but we're missing a lot.
So at the very least, if you have the guts
to ask this much money for stuff,
just give me more info, okay?
Don't create more work for yourself
and for the buyer by listing
as bare minimum specs as possible in your ad
and then kind of just leaving the rest hanging
like you're just hoping that someone comes along
who has no idea what he
or she's doing sees $5,200 and assumes,
"Oh, this has to be a killer rig," and just pays it.
Maybe you negotiate down to five grand
'cause you feel like you're getting a steal, right?
But you're still massively overpaying
unless there's just something super obvious
that I'm missing here and if I am,
check the pin comment down below,
but if there's not a pin comment
I probably didn't miss something
and I don't think that I did just glancing at this.
I mean, it's a great build, looks really nice,
I love the white theme,
but that's not a two or $3,000 premium it's just not.
With that though, I wanna end by telling you
what I think is the worst of the ads here
and for me, that's the 30L OMEN HP PC
because this person has a very searchable product,
you can very easily look up a model very similar to this
on Best Buy's website and it's very clear,
to anyone who does an ounce of due diligence,
that this system is way overpriced as it is.
You cannot justify your asking price by saying,
"Well, this is what I paid for it,"
that makes absolutely no sense.
I imagine you go into a car dealer and you say
the same thing, right?
"Oh, I've used this car for two years,
but I paid 40 grand for it so that's what I want,"
that's just not gonna happen.
You're gonna be laughed out of the room
and the same goes for pretty much
any other hardware out there,
even in a supply shortage environment
like the one we've experienced for a year or two
it's gonna be very difficult to get what you paid for it.
Maybe you get a bit more-
I guess the car example really didn't resonate
all that well given the odd situation we're in
where people are getting more for their cars
than they paid for them.
I actually just experienced that myself.
I sold my 911 and I got more
than I paid for it two years earlier
and I put like 10,000 miles on it.
That was kind of a crappy example,
but you get the point, right?
In a normal market, which this one is quickly becoming,
it's much easier to buy a graphic score today
for a decent price than it was two years ago.
You just can't use that excuse anymore
and again, it just, it seems like a pattern with folks
who are just living in the past and they think
that markets don't change as quickly as they do
and I can pretty much guarantee you if you aren't, you know,
at least weekly, maybe monthly, checking prices
kind of doing that bit of research,
particularly, before you list an ad like this
where you're asking $3,500 or more, if you don't do
that research you're either intentionally overpricing
something for the sake of being debatably predatory
and misleading or you are just so disconnected
from reality that you genuinely think it's worth that
and I suppose it might work out free in the end
because you might find some sucker
who just doesn't do the research,
again, maybe that person deserves it at that point
because they didn't do the research,
but it's not gonna stop me from making videos like these
and it's not gonna stop me from calling out ads
that I think are ridiculous
and this one is the worst of those, in my opinion.
Let me know what you think in the common section below,
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