Hello everyone and welcome back to another video today's video
We will be speaking with Stefan from we are developers now
The reason why I wanted to do this one
I reached out to the coda team and asked them if there's any specific use cases of coda being used in the wild
And of course there are with the community template area
And I thought it was a great opportunity to speak with us to fanon and his team about how they're using it
So first off Estevan great to have you here
Thank You Andrea Pete
definitely and
Maybe you can give us a bit of introduction to we are developers because it sounds like you're doing some quite exciting stuff
With you with the events in the talent area. Yes
So we're developers is a company whose goal it is to connect
developers with
companies
And we do that with two things on the one hand. We have our Congress and in tune
There is the upcoming World Congress in permanent
We will have 10,000 developers there. So now we can say it's the world's largest developer Congress
In the world. No, that's too much
and on the other hand we are we were wondering
While we were doing the Congress
Hey
You know, we should actually give people also the possibility to connect with the companies and with other developers
when there is no commerce, which is the rest of the year, so we created the platform where we
Connect developers with the jobs
Companies have to offer
But we do not accept
Every company and it's kind of a developer pressing the driver seat concept. So the
developer has all the
Yeah, all the power. You know, he he can say if he wants to talk to a person it's not that
You can talk the company can't like browse developers. This is we do not want that because
We are developers. We hate spam
Everybody hates Ben. Yeah, definitely definitely. Well, it sounds quite exciting in and the conference looks mental busy, which is good
Yeah, definitely
So maybe first question I had for you was where did you first discover coda because there are so many project managers out there
Where did you guys find them? I think
It was way back when?
Calder was like coming out and I was reading
Something on the interwebs. I guess it was producthunt
Where it's like hey, this is cool. And it's kind of I don't know what it is, but it just works and
Then you I applied to get access and then I had a look at it and it's like
Finally somebody made a usable interface where you can play with text and you can play with
tables and reference stuff and
Yeah, amazing
The instant love yeah, that's it. Yeah, cuz it's all metal. You need straight away
Yeah, and how did I think it's it's what you know
That's one of those tools. It takes a bit of time to get used to
Originally, how did you and your team sort of warm to it?
Did it take a bit of time to get into it the time to get into it was quite short
Because in the past we use some spreadsheet stuff
but
Yeah, it's it's spreadsheets are like not even
not wanted cousin of coda and because it's
it's much easier to
Think it or to get into this coda thing for people who have to do a lot of development
Because it's so logical it works like the database. Yeah. Yeah, and it's also
It's also easy to grasp for people who said oh
What's that a new tool like our sales guys? Oh my god. It's something I have to learn
And it's like they had a look at it. It's like oh my god. That's so simple. That's like sending an email. Yeah, so
Yeah, it's like really relatable because like documents already been out there for years
So it was quite easy to yeah, that's pretty good here
And then in terms of like how you guys UK news coder like can you give like a demo of how?
You guys go about that these days
Yes
So our our main use at the moment
Is we doing our okay ours with it?
so that's objectives and key results for the people who do not know what okay, Arzo and
We really love it because it helps us in the process
What you usually do when you do an OPR
is that you have your
Objective
on on a very high level and you break it down into
power into key results, which tell you how do I know if these key results are
Met and how how do I know if I reach it objective?
And the thing is that most of the time
The the first the first thing which comes to your mind is
Okay, I have to measure something. So I need a table and I need to write down numbers somewhere
but the funny thing with okrs is
that what you would you take as your
Objective is is very channel. So let's say the objective
Here I have the platform. The objective is increase revenue
That's quite
quite
Simple a simple objectives and the key result is just I want to have this in this many
thousands of euros in revenue in q1 for instance
And what we do is we also attach a risk. Yeah, which we can
use
the nice thing that you can
Have these icons next to it. So we have all these lightning bolts
They can choose between one and three lightning bolts
And then also completion and we said okay completion. We don't need it down to
the
Down to the 1% It doesn't matter to us
The completion would actually something like in a movie rating that you have 5 stars. And this is what is with us and
we just when we start and we see something to come up then it's one star and
so five stars means one star is approximately 20% and
fast that's
more than enough and if we reach our key results by 80%
Then we're happy if we reach a 100% this means
We need to be much more bold when we go for
this
Goal, we want to go towards them
and
What coda helps us here is not only that we can
Use it in meetings with everybody
but what holder also helps us with is what you do with all cars you
go down one level and
This gets inherited down. So on the lower level the objectives and key results
they somehow have to pipe up so there is an upper key result and
in coda we
We are heavy users of
using other tables as
fields in new tables
so and then you can inherit it down and on and on and that's wonderful because you
Can calculate it the way up? Yeah, that's it. And and if you found like like just general things like meetings admin
Everyday activities that they've been easier when you've got this view. That's okay our view
Yes
Very much
What what did did help us productivity wise is?
Management has to spend like
at the beginning
ages to find out
what the right OPR is for every department and
So at the end of the day everybody in management has understand as understood
What the actual?
You know what? The actual objective is on a higher level and on the lower level and how the value will interact
And it's so easy also to grasp for everybody else on the team
That it's yeah sometimes
Giving me goosebumps
May be a bit too easy
and
Hyper transparent yeah
We use it so that everybody can see it so
It's not a secret and it's out there and it's it's like it's like a dashboard even
Yeah, and how many and how many of your team go into every single day?
How big is your team that use code or every day?
To people who are total users are 35 and
Each and every one of them goes in every day
This is also because a key result
has initiatives under it so it's it's like
breaking it down into actual things you will do actions to dues and
these we also do in
coda
and
So you go in and see how far is
cow without
Going to doors on and say hey
How's it going? What are you doing?
Yeah, everybody knows what what is doing and
Also meeting wise every we have stand-up in the morning where the okay ours are
like
They are the the map which everything relates to
So when we talk about the obstacles we managed to solve and the initiatives we are planning
The all relates somehow to this thing. So there is always this link
It's kind of like links in this
data structure
Yeah, they jumped over to the real world. No, it's yeah, yeah
I know you mean like in an app can really save you time like even knowing who's doing what and when and then
They update in real time. So that's pretty good. Yeah, and and one of quest beside Fuchs like obviously you guys now
using code pretty efficiently
there any things that you would recommend for like new teams, that could be like
Agencies sales teams when they get a non coder. There are only like best practices that you'd recommend
Like
tough question
No, it's it's actually I just have to think
back
what we did the lot was having a look at all the templates which exists because it's a
yeah, it's so many templates which can give you so many ideas on just how to
manage your data and
Also the tutorials which are built in into coda
Yeah, they are wonderful they tell you if you work through the tutorials it takes you
Depends on if you go for a coffee it will take you 1 hour
Then you can go check next to it because it's so easy
and
You will have the basics and then you will see stuff. It's like how did they do it? Yeah, and yeah
Yeah. Yeah, this is where it starts is like. Oh my god. Yeah, why didn't I do that? Yeah, that's it
Yeah, and it's like it's like Inception when you get going like you can go really deep with it. So
and I bear a bear helps being the developer and sort of in that community as well in terms of
Being like seeing other people use it in that way
for sure brilliant
Thank you so much for coming on Stefan and taking your time to share a bit more about Koda
Naturally, I think people will watch this and be like okay code is actually something that I might be interested in
So we'll include a link below
But we'll also include the demo one that you did. Is that right in there
So that people can see how you guys are using it in
But I appreciate you coming on and and good luck for the conference in June if I don't talk to you by then
Okay. Thank you
What's nice being here? Yeah, definitely