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>> Is Indiana Jones a shrine fighter?
[chuckles]
>> What?
>> I mean, he goes around desecrating temples
left and right, right?
>> He does, yeah.
>> He's a bad person.
He's a grave robber.
>> It's not good science.
He is a grave robber.
Belongs in a museum.
>> And what he's saying is give it to me.
Yeah, nobody should emulate him.
Nobody should emulate him.
[cracks whip]
>> Well.
>> Hey man, we got articles over at themodernrogue.com.
This one's by Jordan Breeding and it's all about
how real crimes are just going to get creepier and creepier.
>> How do you feel about pacemakers?
I mean, I know you don't want one.
>> Oh, you know that's interesting because
I know they're life-saving devices that I'd never want.
So it's like I'm against them for me.
>> Everybody else is fine.
>> I'm against them for me ever needing them,
but I'm for them in general.
How about that?
>> Not in my backyard.
>> Nimby.
There you go, I'm Nimby on pacemakers.
Put that on a bumper sticker.
>> So, not too long ago, it came out how
these could be very susceptible to hacking.
>> Yeah, so pacemakers of course they provide
electrical stimulation to keep heartbeats regular
for people who have heart disease,
and it makes sense that they would be
wifi enabled, then you get an email that says,
by the way there's a recall on your pacemaker.
>> A company called Abbot a couple years ago
recalled nearly 500,000 of them.
>> So imagine what a roller coaster ride
of reading that email is.
You're like, recalled?
I just had this installed!
You're going to yank it on out?
They did explain that recall means
you got a patch, you got to hold up a thing
to update your firmware, that annoying thing
that your PS4's always doing,
you have to do for your heart?
Imagine this, all of a sudden there's a security opening
where somebody can write a virus,
some script kiddie 15-year-old and then
wifi's up and everybody heart starts going to like
the beat of the macarena.
The macarena, that's a current reference.
>> Instead of wifi-enabled, I would want just like
a lightning port or something like that,
like nipple, just like [pop].
>> But think about this, man, we're entering an age
where we have brain implants,
where we have insulin pumps and all that stuff,
all them are going to be connected.
Literal viruses that can kill you like the common cold.
>> Yeah they can get in there and,
like you said, start playing to any beat possible
or just shut it off.
>> So how scared are you by all this?
>> I'm not scared because I don't have one,
but if I did get one, I would probably be walking around
with like a faraday cage jacket
so that no one could get in.
>> Could you imagine a future where everybody has like
awesome cybernetic contact lenses and then
you're at a concert and somebody presses a button
and suddenly just everybody goes blind.
>> Oh, I'm not just imagining it.
I'm thinking it's going to be a certainty.
>> Oh, I thought you said, I'm not just imagining it,
I'm building a better future.
S'cuse me.
[laughter]
This sounds like it's straight-up
out of a cyber punk novel, but tell me the true story
of how gangs used drones to prevent snitching.
>> Well, they may not have,
but they used the fear of drones.
In Rio De Janiero one gang said,
hey, we've got drones; if you are caught talking
to the police, we're going to kill you.
And there were drones hovering around the Rio
police department.
>> This is brilliant.
You invent a legend that suddenly is reaffirmed
because drones are coming and going all the time,
and every time you see a drone, you think,
oh, that's for me.
>> Yeah, and drones are still in that
technological liminal zone where they're
still thought of as a boogie man, right?
>> Oh sure, sure.
As a matter of fact, I told you the story.
Our drone that we played with here on the Modern Rogue,
I was taking for a test run out in the green belt
of the backyard, and our neighbors started shooting at it!
>> I was there; they definitely started shooting at it.
>> I definitely called my neighbor an [beep],
I told him to knock it off.
>> Yes you did, and it was awesome.
And they knocked it off.
>> They did knock it off.
Nowadays I'm seeing stuff for upcoming
security perimeter drones.
It's a little thing that sits on a charging pod,
every 15 minutes it gets up, it does a perimeter sweep,
it tracks thermal signatures and says,
oh that's a person, let me just track them for a little bit.
Drone technology is getting freakier and freakier.
>> Oh, yeah the ability to harm people
or defend yourself with a drone is coming into
the hands of civilians pretty quickly.
As we record this just recently they had
the attacks in Saudi Arabia on the oil refineries
which was kind of catastrophic.
>> Oh absolutely, and those are of course big giant drones,
but meanwhile security specialist Gavin De Becker
said that he feels like it's an existential threat.
Anybody on stage anywhere giving a speech,
giving a concert or whatever,
imagine just a swarm of drones,
even if they don't have explosives or guns on them,
just I mean, look man, my hand got chopped up by a drone.
>> That drone was unarmed and it still
did some damage to you.
Can you think about drones directed at someone
like onstage or a crowd of people
just a bunch of bladed drones.
>> I'm just going to melt down into a puddle crying right now.
What are you doing, what are you doing?
You're working for them.
>> Am I making it happen?
Am I putting it out into the ether?
>> So yes, the threat of drones being used for malfeasance
is escalating, but we're also seeing innovative solutions.
We've talked about the fact that eagles are being trained
to snatch drones out of the sky.
There are net launching cannons to just wrap them up.
>> They have like shotgun shells in them
or something like that? >> Yeah, yeah.
>> Yeah, so a lot of anti-drone measures,
but as you know, I think the threat is
going to get much worse before the defensive measures
catch up to speed.
>> We're just going to put a dome over the entire
Modern Rogue world headquarters.
It'll be fine.
>> How scared of drone attacks are you?
>> Very scared. >> Really?
>> Yes.
>> Yeah, that's still pretty gnarly
>> Yeah, still it's healing.
So are you worried about it?
>> Absolutely not.
I mean, I know it's going to happen,
but I'm not concerned about it myself.
>> Just feels like something that'll happen to somebody else?
>> Also, I kind of want to fight a drone.
Like, not with our light sabers.
[laughter]
>> Oh, we have the best jobs!
How credible do you think this one is?
The idea that somebody can,
it sounds like something out of a freaking
action movie like a hacker pulls out his phone,
beep, bop, beep, I control the plane now.
>> Yeah, John Travolta's got his gun
to Hugh Jackman's head and he's like, control the plane.
>> I can't control the plane!
He's like you better fix it!
>> That's some Mr. Robot level.
Let me pull out my phone.
Okay I hacked this plane.
>> Here's the thing though.
Just because that's so outrageous,
just because that's so Hollywood and cartoony
doesn't mean that it's not possible.
In 2013 there was a proof of concept
where they pretty much showed how you could kind of do that.
>> A German security researcher by the name of
Hugo Teso, if I'm pronouncing that correctly,
built a bunch of hypothetical frameworks.
He didn't actually hack a plane,
but he demonstrated how it was very possible.
>> Yeah, he created a credible scenario
where it might happen.
I think this one's just too far out there
for me to really believe,
but of course I'll say that up until somebody does it
and then I'll be very sad.
>> But you're also well aware that
most of the systems used by planes in the air
and the air traffic control systems
are woefully outdated.
>> Yes but if I were to guess what the number one cause
of airline disasters are, it would be human error.
As things get more automated,
they become more safe and secure, and of course humans
become more complacent relying on the technology
and of course that opens stuff up to cartoon hacking.
>> The security of these systems is
very much just like a lock.
As we know, from my experience with a lock-picking lawyer,
they're only for honest people.
>> No, no, it means none of them work
and the lock-picking lawyer can take all of them.
>> Exactly, there's always an exploit.
>> All right, that's now my number one fear.
>> You fly a lot too. >> I used to.
Much like the using a cell phone to take over a plane,
this sounds straight up like out of a video game.
In fact, I believe it's out of Metal Gear Solid.
But the idea is that you create a virus
that everybody catches, but it only kills one person.
>> Yeah, and the implications of that are nightmarish.
If you just extrapolate outward,
that's a recipe for genocide right there.
>> So think about this.
I wonder if the defense becomes that
it's much like updating your anti-virus software.
You make a habit of, well, it's been a couple years,
I should probably update my genetic code.
I don't want whatever that disease is
to kill me this time.
>> Yeah, because we are just now getting
to the point where we can map out the genetic code
and so, in mapping that,
you're able to find weak points and targets
of whoever you're looking at.
The craziest part is that it seems like
it's already starting.
There are viral design sights that virologists
can go online and sit there and manipulate
the proteins and everything to make
a very specific cure or ailment.
>> Well, I don't think that the scientists
are doing the ailments.
Certainly this is all at the research phase,
but ain't no reason it can't be used for evil.
>> Yeah, it's one of those things where
they've been crowd sourcing solutions
and so if you can go in and fold a protein
just the right way, then you can make a virus.
>> That's terrifying.
Like, is your DNA information public?
Like, is it illegal?
Oh, talk about future crimes;
should it be illegal for someone to
take a sample of your DNA without your permission?
>> I think there are probably already laws
for that in place, right?
I'm not sure about that.
>> Post those in the comments, my friends.
>> Yeah, yeah.
All right, what's the most dangerous thing
you can think of 3D printing?
>> Another copy of me.
>> Agreed.
>> No, 3D printers are the ultimate boogie man
because we've already heard the stories
of people making weapons from 3D printers.
Right this moment, a criminal can download
a 3D printable image of one of those skimming things
that you put on the front of an ATM.
>> We've already demonstrated you can use
a 3D printer to replicate keys.
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
>> Well, and I suppose that we all want 3D printers
to continue to grow and be more useful and universal.
But also, how do you stop everybody from doing,
you don't DRM it because we all know that DRM can be broken.
>> Yeah, you're going to have just infinite plans
for infinite diabolical devices available online
for free that people can print up with just
uploading it to their 3D printer and pressing go.
>> This is the one that feels close enough
to happening right now that it might be the one
that is scariest to me.
Not because of, it's the most existential threat,
but because it's here.
It's here and it's happening right now.
>> We've already seen people printing 3D handguns,
just extrapolate it out from that.
What else could they make?
>> Yeah, like a D20 with Comic Sans font on it.
>> That is also a crime, but I was thinking
what about anti-aircraft guns, artillery?
>> High heels.
Three feet tall.
>> Okay. >> Pogo shoes.
>> That too.
Cars that maybe you think is a legitimate car,
but it was really just some jackass in his garage
who printed something up and it barely works?
>> Choker collars.
They're going to come back.
>> We're not on the same page here, are we?
>> No, I guess not. >> JNCO's!
[laughter]
>> You can print limitless pogs.
>> Limitless pogs!
Now we're on the same page, it's a nightmare!
>> I got there, I got there.
It took me a minute.
>> Anyway, the future, terrifying.
If you want to read more, head on over to themodernrogue.com.
Oh my god, everything's going to be terrible.
>> Drone, drone strike.
Drone strike for Brian.
>> 3D print go away drones.
>> 3D print anti-drone drone swarm.
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What is it that everybody else is too chicken
to talk about erectile dysfunction?
>> You know who's not?
Brian Blushwood.
>> Well I mean, it's not rocket science.
It's like you got a part of your body,
50% of the population that's all like
floppy most of the time and then sometimes
you want it to be strong like bull,
and then you hit the age of 40 and then
over 52% of the population suddenly only mostly full.
And then everybody keeps it a secret
and they're like, I don't want to talk about it.
Last thing I want to do is talk to my beady-eyed doctor.
>> You don't want that, yeah.
>> Well guess what?
We live in the 21st century and we have Roman.
>> You don't got to be soft anymore, man.
>> That's right, man.
And somebody's like, hey man, I ain't got no problem.
Shut up, shut up, whatever.
However close to strong like bull you want to be,
you can be closer to that.
>> Yeah, you don't have to put a stigma on it
to where it's something to be ashamed of.
You can get it taken care of in the privacy
of your own home.
>> I agree.
Boners are rad.
That's right, we said it, we're not ashamed.
>> I'm standing by that.
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>> Can you imagine how awkward it would be
to ask like your local general practitioner
knowing that he also takes care of your wife or whatever
or your kids or whatever, I don't want to do that!
>> I usually ask the guy that's behind
the counter at Arby's or like Home Depot.
>> None of them were able to help me.
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>> You're walking down the street,
you have an anti-drone swarm around you.
A bunch of tiny drones that are constantly
looking for a big drone trying to come for you,
then the tiny drones go hit the big drone.
>> Oh that's like a special attack in an old video game.
You save that up and you hit your special button.
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