WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INCONSISTENCIES.
YOU BROUGHT UP A POINT THAT SAYS THEY'RE AGAINST BIG GOVERNMENT
UNTIL THEY'RE FOR IT.
IT ALMOST SEEMS LIKE THAT'S EVERYBODY, AND I ALMOST THINK,
THEN, I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT IF THEY MADE THIS INDIVIDUAL
CASES.
YOU KNOW, THIS RELIGIOUS LIBERTY CASE IS AN INTERESTING ONE,
BECAUSE I REMEMBER BACK RIGHT AFTER 9/11 THEY HAD WHAT WAS
CALLED THE GROUND ZERO MOSQUE.
EVERYBODY WAS AGAINST THAT.
YOU CAN'T BUILD THAT.
MAYBE A QUESTION OF RELIGIOUS LIBERTY.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO A GAY COUPLE GETTING MARRIED AND
SOMEBODY WANTS TO BUY A CAKE FROM A BAKER, WELL THAT'S
RELIGIOUS LIBERTY, EXACT SAME PEOPLE STANDING UP FOR ONE
OR THE OTHER.
>> I THINK THE INCONSISTENCIES AND LACK OF GENUINENESS ARE WHAT
BOTHER REPUBLICANS --
WHY CONGRESS HAS ABOUT A 10% APPROVAL RATING.
>> Jon: RIGHT.
>> BUT I THINK YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT, PEOPLE WHO LOOK AT THINGS
THE SAME WAY NO MATTER WHAT THE ISSUE IS AND NOT WITH THEIR
PERSONAL BIAS INTO IT.
>> Jon: OR MAKE AN ARGUMENT, YOU KNOW, THIS RELIGIOUS
LIBERTY ARGUMENT FEELS LIKE THEY'RE WORKED BACKWARDS FROM
WE ARE AGAINST THE COURTS GRANTING THE CONSTITUTIONAL
RIGHT TO MARRIAGE EQUALITY, AND WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO
GET OUT OF THAT.
MAYBE WE'LL TRY THE STATES RIGHTS ARGUMENT.
OKAY, THAT DIDN'T WORK.
NOW LET'S TRY RELIGIOUS LIBERTY.
>> BUT THERE IS ALSO SOMETHING WE NEED TO SEPARATE OUT.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THEY TOLD ME THEY WERE GOING TO BUILD A
MOSQUE AT 9/11, I WAS HORRIFIED AND THOUGHT IT WAS A TERRIBLE
THING, BUT AM NOT FOR A LAW TO PREVENT THEM.
IF YOU WANT TO MARCH DOWN THE STREET AND ARE PART OF THE
K.K.K., I AM HORRIFIED BYT THAT AND OBJECT TO IT, BUT THERE
ARE CERTAIN-- THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS ABOUT THE RIGHT TO
BE DESPICABLE.
IT'S EASY TO ACCEPT --
>> Jon: BUT YOU CAN'T HARDLY EQUATE THE MOSQUE WITH THE
K.K.K. OR GAY MARRIAGE WITH THE K.K.K. --
I HEAR THAT ARGUMENT A LOT.
>> THE THING IS I THINK YOU CAN PERSONALLY OBJECT TO THINGS THE
LAW WILL ALLOW.
IT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO SAY THAT WE ACCEPT EVERYONE ELSE'S
BELIEFS ON EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, I'M ABSOLUTELY FOR THE LAW ALLOWING -- NOT
PREVENTING A MOSQUE TO BE BUILT, HOWEVER, AT THE SAME TIME, I
I THINK IT'S A REALLY REALLY BAD IDEA TO BUILD A MOSQUE AT THE
9/11 SITE.
>> Jon: YOU DO KNOW THOUGH THAT THERE WAS A MOSQUE THERE
ALREADY?
>> I KNOW.
>> Jon: I'M REALLY FASCINATED BY THE IDEA OF RELIGIOUS
PERSECUTION IN THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE THE DEPTH OF FEELING
SEEMS REAL.
>> FREEDOM DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE ALL HAVE TO AGREE WITH EVERYBODY
ELSE'S -- WHO THEY ARE, WHAT THEY ARE, WHAT THE RELIGION IS.
WE DON'T HAVE TO LIKE EVERYBODY.
>> Jon: NOBODY'S ASKING YOU TO BE HAPPY BAKING IT.
>> THE THING IS, WHERE I WOULD SEPARATE IT IS PEOPLE WHO HAVE
PERSONAL OPINIONS, THEY'RE AFRAID -- SOME PEOPLE ARE AFRAID
IN OUR COUNTRY THAT THEIR PERSONAL RELIGIOUS OPINIONS
WILL NO LONGER BE ALLOWED EVEN IN THEIR CHURCH. AND THERE ARE
PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE SAYING IS,
OKAY, YOU GIVE A DEDUCTION TO YOUR CHURCH, SO WHO'S MONEY
IS THAT?
IS THAT NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S MONEY AND THEY CAN REGULATE THE
CHURCH BECAUSE IT'S A DEDUCTION. 71 00:02:53,373 --> 00:00:00,000 PEOPLE ARE ARGUING THIS.