Serious question guys— but do you think that Starkiller could be the first Knight
of Ren?
Before you respond, take a look at the Sith Stalker armor from the darkside ending of
the Force Unleashed and then take a look at some of the concept artwork of the Knights
of Ren.
Do you notice any resemblance?
So seriously— could Starkiller have been the first Knight of Ren?
Hey Star Wars fans, this is Urban Acolyte TV, and my name is Prince.
In this video, I’m not presenting a theory or a speculation.
I’m actually sharing a random thought that popped into my head while I was driving from
Flagstaff to Albuquerque today.
What actually happened is I stopped at the New Mexico Welcome Center, and I checked my
most recent comments from my phone.
I saw this comment from Brent Stewart about the Knights of Ren in Rey’s Forceback vision
and it sent my mind spinning off in a different direction.
So the first thing I thought about is what do we actually know about the Knights of Ren?
The Stupendous Wave has done several videos about the Knights of Ren.
I have not watched all of them, but in the ones I HAVE seen, he keeps trying to connect
the Knights of Ren with the Acolytes of the Beyond.
Three members of Acolytes of the Beyond make a brief appearance in “Aftermath.”
There are presumably 2 males and 1 female dressed in dark cloaks.
We don’t actually know if they are force users.
The only thing we know is that they appear to be some kind of cult that idolizes Darth
Vader.
In their short appearance in Aftermath, they purchase what they believe to be Vader’s
lightsaber on Taris so that it can be returned to its master in death.
Now it makes sense to try to connect the Acolytes with the Knights of Ren if you go with the
line of thinking that the Knights of Ren are a group of Darth Vader fanboys.
Personally, I have always felt that we needed to know more about both the Acolytes of the
Beyond AND the Knights of Ren before trying to make any connection between the two groups.
I mean in “Bloodline” we get introduced to the Amaxine Warriors which was a paramilitary
group funded by the First Order and led by a former ISB agent named Arliz Hadrassian.
Hadrassian’s brother served on the Imperial Guard as one of Emperor Palpatine’s personal
bodyguards.
Now I bring up the Amaxine Warriors because here’s an example of a faction within the
First Order that was led by a high ranking Imperial officer.
To me, if we were going to make some connection between the Empire, Vader, and the Knights
of Ren to assume that members of the Inquisitorious actually survive the fall of the Empire and
start a new order called the Knights of Ren.
But as it turns out—the Knights of Ren entry on Wookiepeedia states that The Knights of
Ren are a dark side organization operating under the command of Supreme Leader Snoke.
Recall the video that I did on Snoke yesterday—I said that Snoke is over the military branch
of the First Order and the mystical branch.
Based on the Knights of Ren wookiepeedia entry—the Knights of Ren represent the mystical branch
of the First Order.
So we return to the initial question—is Starkiller the first Knight of Ren?
Again—take a look at the Sith Stalker armor worn by Galen Marek in the Force Unleashed,
and again look at the concept artwork for the Knights of Ren.
Now perhaps you’ve seen these pictures on a video posted by the Stupendous Wave, but
I actually own “The Art of the Force Awakens” where these pictures are posted.
I don’t know if you can see it on the video, but the guy in the “grenade head” mask
actually does appear to be carrying a lightsaber hilt on his belt.
So again— is Starkiller the first Knight of Ren?
Now when I say, “Starkiller,” I’m not referring to the Galen Marek character.
He’s not canon, and even if he were, Sam Wittwer stated on the Jedi Council that Galen
Marek was always supposed to be a legend even within the canon.
Of course there is always a bit of truth in Legends, as Ahsoka says.
Let’s consider this—what if this “Sith Stalker” character actually DID exist, but
not as a Sith and not as the Starkiller that we know.
Because Snoke comes from a different faction of Force users, maybe they have an order of
their own.
It’s possible that the Order of Ren was started by someone that we would know as “Starkiller.”
This would pay homage both to the original name for the Skywalker family, and it would
also provide an additional reason for why the First Order’s BFG was called “Starkiller
Base.”
What if this Starkiller individual was a great warrior who managed to manipulate the Force
to extend their lifespan— it could account for Snoke’s injuries and how he could have
seen the rise and fall of the Empire—and when I say the Rise and Fall, I mean the rise
going all the way back to the beginning of the Bane line of Sith.
Think about it—it’s possible.
Maz Kanata was alive around the time that Bane’s era began.
So to the people who keep posting that Snoke is Starkiller—who knows, it could be possible.
Another interesting tie-in that occured to me is that one of the concepts for the Force
Awakens was to have the game be focused around Ben Skywalker.
We don’t have a Ben Skywalker, and the last Skywalker, at this time, appears to be Ben
Solo.
Now he isn’t the first Knight of Ren, but it is interesting that he is now part of that
new Order.
So before I get bombarded with questions about why I think Kylo Ren did not start the Knights
of Ren, I’ll just point to the concept art.
One of the descriptions says that Ben fell in with a gang— I would imagine that Ben
joined the Knights of Ren after he destroyed the New Jedi Order, becoming Kylo Ren.
As for Kylo Ren being the leader of the Knights of Ren—we actually have a bit of a discrepancy.
The Force Awakens movie and the novelization have Snoke saying that Kylo Ren is “master
of the Knights of Ren” implying that he is the leader, but in the junior novel, Snoke
says that Kylo Ren is “A master of the Knights of Ren,” which implies that “master”
is a rank or title held by more than one person.
Because Kylo Ren’s training is not complete—it’s possible that the “master” is not the
highest rank within the Knights of Ren.
Now this sounds a little crazy— I mean an entire new Order of Force Users that we’ve
never heard of coming from an unknown part of the galaxy.
It’s actually not that crazy, though.
It’s the exact same thing that’s happened on the Old Republic MMO game with Emperor
Valkorian and the Zakuul Empire.
So that’s what I’ve got.
This isn’t a theory.
I’m not speculating on anything.
To be honest, all of this just sort of popped into my head while I was driving across the
desert.
I think about stuff like this all of the time, so if you’d like more videos like this—just
let me know.
Anyway, I would like to hear from all of you— What are your thoughts regarding the Knights
of Ren, and do you think that they were at all inspired by Starkiller’s Sith Stalker
armor?
Let me know your thoughts in the comment section below.
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