ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR COMPROMISING MATERIAL ON THEIR
POLITICAL OPPONENT AND THEY’RE
DOING IT AT THE BEHEST OF THE
WHITE HOUSE.
WHITE HOUSE. >>> HOUSE DEMOCRATS HAVE
RELEASED TEXTS OF THE RESOLUTION
DETAILING THEIR NEXT STEPS IN
THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY.
THE EIGHT-PAGE RESOLUTION, WHICH
THE HOUSE IS EXPECTED TO VOTE ON
TOMORROW LAYS OUT THE DEMOCRATS’
GENERAL FORMAT FOR THE
IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION.
IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION. IT CALLS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND
WOULD ALSO ALLOW THE PRESIDENT
OR HIS COUNSEL TO PARTICIPATE IN
PROCEEDINGS HELD BY THE HOUSE
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE.
JUDICIARY COMMITTEE. THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WILL
ULTIMATELY DECIDE WHETHER TO
REPORT ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT
TO THE FULL HOUSE.
DEMOCRATS SAY IF THE PRESIDENT
REFUSES TO COOPERATE UNLAWFULLY
WITH CONGRESSIONAL REQUESTS, THE
CHAIR WILL HAVE THE DISCRETION
TO IMPOSE APPROPRIATE REMEDIES
WHICH INCLUDE DENYING SPECIFIC
REQUESTS BY THE PRESIDENT OR HIS
COUNSEL.
COUNSEL. SO HEIDI, WHAT SHOULD WE MAKE OF
THIS?
THIS? REPUBLICANS HAVE A LOT OF
PROCESS COMPLAINTS.
PROCESS COMPLAINTS. THEY SAY THEY’RE BEING SHUT OUT.
ANY PARALLELS HERE TO CLINTON?
>> THIS IS REALLY THE NEXT
PHASE, MIKA.
PHASE, MIKA. THEY’RE TRYING TO SET OUT SOME
RULES FOR THE PUBLIC PHASE OF
THIS TESTIMONY, AND I DID A LOT
OF INTERVIEWS LAST NIGHT IN
WHICH I WAS TOLD THAT THIS IS
EXACTLY THE SAME RULES THAT WERE
SHET IN
SHET IN SET IN PLACE FOR CLINTON AND
NIXON IN TERMS OF ALLOWING THE
PRESIDENT’S COUNSEL TO
PARTICIPATE ONCE THIS PROCESS
ACTUALLY GETS TO THE JUDICIARY
COMMITTEE.
COMMITTEE. SO THINK ABOUT IT THIS WAY.
THINK ABOUT THE CLINTON
IMPEACHMENT WHEN YOU HAD KEN
STARR PRESENTING A REPORT TO
JUDICIARY.
JUDICIARY. IN THIS CASE WE COULD HAVE
MULTIPLE KEN STARRS.
KEN STARR COULD BE ADAM SCHIFF
WHO TAKES HIS REPORT AND THEN
PRESENTS THAT TO JUDICIARY WHERE
THE PRESIDENT’S COUNSEL THERE
HAS EVERY RIGHT AS WELL TO BRING
IN INFORMATION, TO QUESTION THE
WITNESS IN THAT CASE, BUT THAT
WILL NOT HAPPEN IN THE PUBLIC
PHASE IN TERMS OF THE INTEL
COMMITTEE, AND THERE IS THE RUB
IN TERMS OF WHY THE REPUBLICANS
ARE ANGRY BECAUSE THEY SAID THAT
THEIR COUNSEL, THE PRESIDENT’S
COUNSEL SHOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO
QUESTION IN THAT PHASE.
BUT DEMOCRATS COUNTER AND SAY,
HEY, LOOK THIS IS NOT OUR
CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY.
CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY. OUR AUTHORITY IS TO BRING
CHARGES, IS TO ISSUE A REPORT.
THE SENATE IS WHERE THAT TRIAL
TAKES PLACE, AND SO THE PROBLEM
HERE MIKA AND JOE, REALLY IS NOT
THAT THE RULES ARE ANY DIFFERENT
THAN THEY WERE UNDER CLINTON AND
NIXON, IT’S THAT THE CULTURE IS
DIFFERENT.
DIFFERENT. >> VERY DIFFERENT.
>> UNDER NIXON, THE REPUBLICANS
AND DEMOCRATS ON THE COMMITTEES
WORKED COLLABORATIVELY IN ORDER
TO ISSUE SUBPOENAS.
IN THE CASE OF CLINTON YOU
REALLY DIDN’T SEE CLINTON’S
ATTORNEYS WANTING TO SUBPOENA
ANYBODY.
ANYBODY. THERE WASN’T AN ATTEMPT TO
REALLY DO THAT, AT LEAST IN THE
INITIAL PHASES, SO THE CULTURE
HERE IS REALLY SO DIFFERENT.
THE SOURCES THAT I SPOKE WITH
SAID IT’S VERY SIMILAR IN TERMS
OF THE RULES, AND SECONDLY, MIKA
AND JOE, I DO HAVE SOME NEW NEWS
TO REPORT ABOUT HOW HOUSE
DEMOCRATS ARE THINKING ABOUT
FRAMING THESE ARTICLES OF
IMPEACHMENT, HOW THEY THINK WHAT
HAS TRANSPIRED HERE AND THE
EVIDENCE THAT’S ALREADY COME OUT
REALLY CONSTITUTES EVIDENCE OF
HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS.
THEY TELL ME THAT THE FOUNDERS
THOUGHT VERY SPECIFICALLY ABOUT
IMPEACHMENT IN TERMS OF THE ABCs
OF IMPEACHMENT.
OF IMPEACHMENT. A IS FOR ABUSE OF POWER.
IN THIS CASE WE SAW THE
PRESIDENT ABUSING HIS POWER TO
BENEFIT HIMSELF PERSONALLY TO
TRY AND GET THAT DIRT ON JOE
BIDEN.
BIDEN. B IS FOR BETRAYAL, BETRAYAL OF
THE COUNTRY IN TERMS OF ITS
NATIONAL SECURITY INTERESTS AND
COMPROMISING A CRITICAL ALLY IN
UKRAINE IN TERMS OF ALLOWING
RUSSIA TO PUSH INTO UKRAINE AND
COMPROMISING UKRAINE’S ABILITY
TO PUSH BACK ON THAT.
AND THEN C IS FOR CORRUPTION,
FOR CORRUPTING POTENTIALLY OUR
ELECTION PROCESS BY ENCOURAGING
A FOREIGN POWER TO INTERVENE IN
OUR ELECTIONS.
OUR ELECTIONS. >> WOW.
>> WOW. HEIDI, THAT YOU THINK, AND STILL
AHEAD ON "MORNING JOE,"
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS TRIED ALL
SORTS OF THINGS TO PULL THE
NATION’S ATTENTION AWAY FROM
IMPEACHMENT.
IMPEACHMENT. IT HAS NOT WORKED, BUT SHUTTING
DOWN THE GOVERNMENT MIGHT.
WHY CHUCK SCHUMER IS SOUNDING
THAT ALARM.
THAT ALARM. YOU’RE WATCHING "MORNING JOE."
WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK.
WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK.’LL BE RIGHT