.
. >>> THE WHISTLE-BLOWER SHOULD BE
REVEALED BECAUSE THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER GAVE FALSE
STORIES.
STORIES. >> I THINK THAT THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER GAVE A LOT OF
FALSE INFORMATION.
FALSE INFORMATION. AND YOU HAVE TO SEE WHO THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER IS.
WHISTLE-BLOWER IS. >> I SAY TONIGHT TO THE MEDIA,
DO YOUR JOB AND PRINT HIS NAME!
>> SO WE HAVE A PRESIDENT THERE
AND A UNITED STATES SENATOR.
THE PRESIDENT ADDED THIS EARLIER
TODAY.
TODAY. AND WE QUOTE.
THE WHISTLE-BLOWER GAVE FALSE
INFORMATION AND DEALT WITH
CORRUPT POLITICIAN SCHIFF.
HE MUST BE BROUGHT FORWARD TO
TESTIFY.
TESTIFY. WRITTEN ANSWERS NOT ACCEPTABLE.
THIS IS, OF COURSE, THE ARGUMENT
BEING ADVANCED BY CONGRESSMAN
JIM JORDAN OF THE TRUMP CAMP
AMONG OTHERS.
AMONG OTHERS. EVEN THOUGH, OF COURSE, WE
QUICKLY ADD THE PRESIDENT’S ONLY
RESPONSES TO THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION WERE WRITTEN
ANSWERS THROUGH HIS LAWYERS.
WITH US TO JOIN THE CONVERSATION
TONIGHT, MAYA WILEY, FORMER
ASSISTANT U.S. ATTORNEY FOR THE
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK.
THESE DAYS WITH THE NEW SCHOOL
-- YOU KNOW, I GOT SCREWED UP
THERE.
THERE. SORRY ABOUT THAT.
AND DAVID JOLLY, A FORMER
REPUBLICAN MEMBER OF CONGRESS
FROM THE GREAT STATE OF FLORIDA
WHO HAS SINCE LEFT CONGRESS AND
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, COME TO
THINK OF IT.
MAYA WILEY, I WANT TO TALK TO
YOU ABOUT WHISTLE-BLOWERS IN
GENERAL, BUT I HAVE ONE MORE
THING TO SHOW YOU.
THIS IS FORMER ATTORNEY GENERAL
WHITAKER ON FOX NEWS.
>> DO WE BREAK SOMETHING IF WE
LET POLITICS INTERFERE WITH
OUTING A WHISTLE-BLOWER?
>> WELL, A WHISTLE-BLOWER IS
NEVER GUARANTEED ANONYMITY AND,
YOU KNOW, ALL THEY’RE GUARANTEED
IS THAT THEY WON’T BE RETALIATED
AGAINST FROM A -- FROM A
WORKPLACE IN A JOB STANDPOINT.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR ME I THINK
THIS WHISTLE-BLOWER DOES NEED TO
PUBLICLY TESTIFY AND BE SUBJECT
TO CROSS-EXAMINATION, WHICH IS
CONSISTENT WITH THE AMERICAN
LEGAL TRADITIONS THAT WE ALL
BELIEVE MAKE THIS A GREAT
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. >> SO MAYA WILEY, IS THE FORMER
CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OF
THE UNITED STATES TELLING THE
TRUTH THERE?
TRUTH THERE? IS THERE A CONFIDENTIALITY
UNDERSTANDING WITH
UNDERSTANDING WITH WHISTLE-BLOWERS?
WHISTLE-BLOWERS? >> SO THERE’S A YES AND A NO.
SO I WANT -- I WANT TO BE VERY
STRAIGHT UP WITH THE PUBLIC ON
THIS.
THIS. THE YES PART OF -- OF COURSE
THERE IS AN ASSUMPTION ON THE
PART OF A WHISTLE-BLOWER THAT
WAS BUILT INTO WHAT WAS A TRUMP
-- I MEAN AN OBAMA-ERA POLICY
DIRECTIVE THAT NOT ONLY THOIF
THAT
THAT THAT AS LONG AS YOU’RE GOING
THROUGH THE PROCESS WE’VE LAID
OUT IF YOU’RE AN INTELLIGENCE
WHISTLE-BLOWER.
WHISTLE-BLOWER. BECAUSE, REMEMBER, WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT INTELLIGENCE
WHISTLE-BLOWERS A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY’RE
SUPPOSED TO KEEP STATE SECRETS.
>> MMM-HMM.
>> MMM-HMM. >> BUT WHAT HAPPENED IS WE LAID
OUT A PROCESS BY WHICH PEOPLE
COULD COME FORWARD AND SAY
THERE’S BEEN A LAW VIOLATION OR
AN ABUSE OR GROSS FRAUD WHERE WE
HAVE A NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
ISSUE.
ISSUE. THEY SAID AS LONG AS YOU DO IT
THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS
YOU’LL -- YOU’LL BE PROTECTED IF
THE INSPECTOR GENERAL SAYS IT’S
CREDIBLE AND DOES NOT RELEASE
YOUR NAME.
YOUR NAME. IN OTHER WORDS, IT’S PRETTY MUCH
THE -- UP TO THE INSPECTOR
GENERAL FOR THE NATIONAL
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY TO DECIDE
THAT.
THAT. HERE WE HAD BOTH THE NATIONAL --
THE NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
INSPECTOR GENERAL AS WELL AS THE
DIRECTOR OF -- ACTING DIRECTOR
OF NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE
PROTECTING THE WHISTLE-BLOWER’S
NAME, SAYING THE WHISTLE-BLOWER
-- THE ALLEGATIONS WERE CREDIBLE
AND ALSO SAYING ESSENTIALLY BY
NOT GIVING UP THE NAME WE THINK
THIS IS THE CATEGORY THAT IT
STAYS CONFIDENTIAL.
STAYS CONFIDENTIAL. WHAT’S MORE COMPLICATED IS, IT
IS THE INSPECTOR GENERAL WHO
BASICALLY PROTECTS THE NAME.
THERE’S NOTHING THAT REALLY
GUIDES US ON WHETHER A PRESIDENT
OF THE UNITED STATES WHO HAS THE
ABILITY TO MAKE --
>> CAN CRIMINALIZE AND OUT A
WHISTLE-BLOWER?
WHISTLE-BLOWER? >> CAN CRIMINALIZE AND OUT A
WHISTLE-BLOWER BECAUSE NO ONE
REALLY ANTICIPATED A SITUATION
WHERE A SITTING PRESIDENT WOULD
LITERALLY TRY TO BRING THE POWER
OF HIS OFFICE DOWN ON A PUBLIC
SERVANT WHO OTHER PUBLIC
SERVANTS SAID CREDIBLE, FOLLOWED
PROCEDURE, DID THE RIGHT THING,
WE SHOULD PROTECT.
WE NEVER ANTICIPATED THAT.
WE DIDN’T CRAFT AROUND IT.
SO THE ONE THING THAT MATTHEW
WHITAKER IS RIGHT ABOUT IS THERE
IS NOTHING EXPLICITLY THAT SAYS
DONALD TRUMP CAN’T DEMAND IT.
BUT THAT’S VERY DIFFERENT FROM
THE POLICY THAT SURROUNDS THIS.
THE PUBLIC POLICY IS VERY CLEAR.
WE WANT TO PROTECT PEOPLE WHO
COME FORWARD TO BLOW A WHISTLE
ON SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD
OTHERWISE NOT KNOW WAS HAPPENING
THAT WAS WRONG, AND WHEN YOU GO
THROUGH THE PROCESS, WHEN YOU
FOLLOW THE LAW, WHEN YOU GO
THROUGH YOUR CHAIN OF COMMAND
AND WHEN YOUR CHAIN OF COMMAND
SAYS YOU DID THE RIGHT THING,
YOU DID IT FOR THE RIGHT
REASONS, YOU WERE CREDIBLE, HOW
DO WE PUT THIS PERSON IN THAT
POSITION?
POSITION? >> DAVID JOLLY, TALK ABOUT THE
LONG-TERM CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT
WE’RE SEEING RIGHT NOW INVOLVING
THE PRESIDENT.
THE PRESIDENT. ALSO TALK ABOUT YOUR FORMER
PARTY.
PARTY. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> WAS TODAY A DAY OF RECKONING?
WILL TOMORROW BE?
WILL WE EVER KNOW ONE WHEN WE
SEE ONE?
SEE ONE? >> I DON’T THINK WE’LL EVER SEE
SELF-RECKONING.
SELF-RECKONING. BECAUSE LET’S RESET THE
NARRATIVE THAT WE HEARD FROM
RAND PAUL.
RAND PAUL. THE WHISTLE-BLOWER IS A PATRIOT.
PLANE
PLANE PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
AND SHOULD BE DEFENDED BY THE
PRESIDENT AND BOTH UNITED STATES
SENATORS FOR FOLLOWING THE LAW
AND PUTTING THE INTERESTS OF
NATIONAL SECURITY AHEAD OF ANY
POLITICS THAT DONALD TRUMP OR
RAND PAUL WANT TO PLAY IN THIS
MOMENT.
MOMENT. IT ALSO IS SETTING UP A FALSE
ARGUMENT THAT YOU’RE GOING TO
HEAR FROM REPUBLICANS AND
DEMOCRATS ARE NOT FALLING FOR IT
AND NEITHER SHOULD THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. THE STATUS OF THE WHISTLE-BLOWER
IS INCONSEQUENTIAL AT THIS
POINT.
POINT. EVERYTHING HE INITIALLY
PRESENTED OR SHE INITIALLY
PRESENTED HAS BEEN CORROBORATED,
HAS BEEN ADMITTED TO BY THE
PRESIDENT, HAS BEEN CORROBORATED
BY MICK MULVANEY, CONFIRMED BY
BILL TAYLOR, CONTEXTUALIZED BY
LIEUTENANT COLONEL VINDMAN AS A
MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY.
GARY
GARY GARY KASPEROF, THE GRAND MASTER
OF CHESS AND THE-- IT’S TO
ANNIHILATE TRUTH AND TO EXHAUST
PEOPLE’S DEFENSE OF THE TRUTH.
THAT’S WHAT DONALD TRUMP HAS
DONE WITH TODAY’S REPUBLICAN
PARTY.
PARTY. I SHARED WITH YOUR COLLEAGUE
NICOLLE WALLACE EARLIER TODAY
WHAT -- WHAT REPUBLICANS’ FINAL
ARGUMENT WILL REQUIRE IS
CONVINCING THE AMERICAN PEOPLE
THAT ONLY DONALD TRUMP TELLS THE
TRUTH.
TRUTH. THAT LIEUTENANT COLONEL VINDMAN
IS NOT TELLING THE TRUTH.
THAT AMBASSADOR McKINLEY, THE
DEAN OF THE FOREIGN SERVICE CORE
THAT WE HEARD FROM IS NOT
TELLING THE TRUTH.
AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH IS NOT
TELLING THE TRUTH.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SAYING
DONALD TRUMP IS THE ONLY PERSON
WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH IN AMERICAN
POLITICS AND WE KNOW FROM HIS
HISTORY, HIS HISTORY IS REPLETE
WITH LIES AND DECEPTION ON THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE AND HE IS