But so skin tight, so transparent. This is what you see in the fashion industries and
people already, or there's hardly any clothes in your body, but it's still I mean there's
some clothes, but your body is seen.
Okay, So what's so what's the significance of that?
It's being that have been that clear 1400 years ago.
That would be the case that people would wear skinny tight clothes.
So this is one of the prophecies of prophet Muhammad (PBUH). We talked about
during the end of times towards, you know later in the future generations,
this is what will happen. People will be wearing clothes and still the nakedness will be seen.
So is it... I suppose it's not in the Qur'an. That prediction.
This is a hadith.
I know the one, isn't it in Quran, Pharaoh, who was predicted. Who will make...
You know, he's gonna be visible.
So..
No, there are various pieces of information in the Quran that you can use, whether it's
to do with prophecies or information of natural phenomena.
Right. The gentleman said that there are
miraculous predictions or prophecies in the Quran. Like the one, for example about the defeat of the Persians.
Yeah. Yeah, the Persians and the Romans, when
the Quran talks about it, that they will soon be victorious again and,
in Arabic, between three and nine years, and this is exactly what happened.
So that who would be victorious again?
So he says: "The Romans have been defeated."
But we know that at that time the context is the Romans and
the Persians were fighting with each other, and there is a whole history to this conflict between
the Romans and the Persians.
Do you feel like in that particular context where it talks about the
conflict between the Romans and the Persians, that it makes predictions that could be considered miraculous?
As in with information...
When the Romans are already defeated, the Quran is saying,
No, again, they will be victorious again very soon within three to nine years.
Do you agree that it was a, it was... That it's accurate to characterize that conflict between the Persians and the Romans
as having been quite back and forth for hundreds of years prior to those events.
But to say that they will victorious again within a certain time frame, is what is the important...
Did he give a date?
Yeah, which is in three and nine years.
What if they were victorious 15 years later, then that information will be wrong in the Quran.
What if they became victorious the next month, it would be wrong in the Quran.
The fact that the Quran specifies a specific time frame, and this is when things happen...
You're saying it gives like a window of six years.
No, no. That is the specificity.
It's not saying simply like they were victorious at some point in the future,
that's very vague. But putting a time frame...
It could have given a specific week or month, or year.
It could have been more specific, I am saying.
Now you want more specific, I'm saying when the Quran specifies a specific time frame,
that itself is something to look into, why... it could have been like this next month, or 15, 20
years later. But the fact that it never happened according to this time frame, but happened as the
Quran indicated, that needs to be really asked how so.
I agree that it it's deserving of investigation.
I wouldn't just out of hand say: "That's miraculous." that's the point. The point that was being made is
that this is what an example of miraculous...
Let's not use the word miraculous, let's say they use
the Qur'anic statements of these kind of things as really worth
deliberating, reflecting and pondering upon. How does the Quran make these kind of statements?
I agree with that.
Because to say "Miraculous", of course you need to say how this amounts to a miracle. Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah. Like even when the Quran describes about the Tariq,
the stars which are piercing, and so bright.
It's not the right weather.
When the Quran describes
the stars they're like hammering, they're knocking.
And that's how we even heard the noises, or the sounds of those stars. They are actually like knock knock.
With different frequencies. They're called pulsars for a reason, pulsating stars.
So when the Quran describes those things, I mean, there's no way...
...to read that in more detail as well.
Surat Al-Tariq
Surah 86. This is the beginning of this surah. Ayah (verse) 1.
So Surah Al-Tariq.
Only now we realize this, you know how does Quran describe about the Tariq, which is the star
which is piercing and bright, because we know that they emit all this gamma rays and other rays
as well, that's so bright, they penetrate. Normal radiations penetrate you can stop them through
the penetration, right. But these things they penetrate several, you know like they can penetrate
the whole of, you know I don't know all of the earth or not, that's how strong these magnetic
forces are, the electromagnetic penetrations. So when the Quran describes things like this, I mean
to the least, that's amazing. To the least. And to the most, you'll have to explain how
do you have this information mentioned in the Quran.
Yeah, I think it's worthy of investigation.
I think sometimes some quite sweeping statements are made like, nobody knew this information at that time.
And when you find that people may have.
Actually, but it is very interesting.
So we have to phrase our statements in a nuanced way, so that people can then
you know independently go and investigate, ponder, reflect and then if they find that actually
they can't explain it, then you have to really ask them, okay then you know you come up with
your theories the Quran says: "This knowledge is from God." If you don't believe in that, then you
have to come up with something that's working. A workable theories.
It's supposed to be like for most agnostics,
as agnostics like myself. We try to kind of find a secular explanation for...
Yeah, a natural explanation.
So I am always open to hear like examples of what I regard it as pieces of information,
that could only have been disseminated miraculously or through supernatural means.
So that we can investigate them.
Absolutely.
On this issues of start again, the Quran talks about God is taking an oath, "By the position of the stars."
It's only now as you and I know that when we see stars in the sky, when clear sky
at night, what we see is not where the stars are at the moment, these are perhaps millions of years ago
where the star was. The stars have moved away or they have died.
The light has traveled over such a vast distance that...
No, the star itself either it's died and it becomes a black hole or whatever
it's called, or it's moved away from its position. So when we see, we actually see the historical past
where the star was. And the Quran is talking about the position of the stars. God is taking
oath of the position of the stars, yeah. So we don't see the stars, it's only the position that we see
There's a lot to investigate. But I think a few examples were worth going into deep and
seeing what did the Greeks, and the romans, and the Persians, and the Hindus, what did they know about it?
How much did they know? And if the knowledge of such kind was absence, how did people in Arabia
specifically prophet Muhammad (PBUH) know? How did he know, when his people didn't know?
People around him didn't know. Then one needs to really come up with some workable, you know explanations.
Because if it's not revelation, then you have to be you know able to explain a way, if you can't
explain a way at least, you know be open to the truth. But actually it could be knowledge through revelation.
You never know.
Thank you.
I'm gonna go and pray maghrib. Okay. Take care.