just so that you don't believe that listing is the only person with
perspective in a point when it comes to our history using torture
or enhanced interrogation in the US very interesting and senator angus King
independent in the US senate was on MSNBC talking about it
and so it was brought up that dick cheney
expert on torture sensei's authorized so much so that
does not think that waterboarding is actually torture and angus King has a
great response to that
it shocking and frankly I was stunned to hear that quote from Vice President
Cheney just now
if he doesn't think that was torture I would invite him anywhere in the United
States
to sedan to waterboarding go through what those people went through
one of a hundred and plus plus side times that's ridiculous to make that
claim this was tortured by anybody's definition
John McCain said it's torture and I think he's in a better position
to know that then-vice President Cheney I was shocked at that statement that he
just made
I'm not shocked by anything but
our franklin hell we're basing rehashing
you know the things toward thought no one no one talking with them have
involved since the first time we talked about what was going on when
waterboarding was the issue is there with the torch is not torture
we hit them with I think I just enter a was one at least
from we got to work through it and said well if you wanna knowbut store tonight
you go through it
you tell me what you think and so the thought now or re
I feel like it's deja vu only because not because the CIA report about it now
confirming what we already knew:
but we need something official posting them not me the same argument again
and I'm a little tired and because I must have been about buying this
bullshit
that none for sure yeah a good I don't think a lot of conservatives who are you
have to do it because during the first debate about those pleading there was a
you know
up yet i think is bill already it was some factors a.m.
acre there was mollie a but sprig a little water on his base ago this
pergola what I mean
yeah if if I give them a good been included in the
could be your I think inside you if the white house if and when they do
release any portion of this Senate Report on on with the CIA did when it
was lying to Congress apparently and pretending like it was doing stuff and
saying it wasn't doing things that really like torture
I think it'll be interesting we'll see more of these kinds over old rehashed
arguments that it's not torture it's an enhanced interrogation will see all this
coming out
yet again if this senator poor gets a gets released you know and I i think
it's an important thing for us to bring out I think it's important for the
country
to time at least have some airing what's going on we're not gonna get the full
airing that we deserve we're not gonna get the full report
what I understand when you hear sum up the
staffers and some other senators who have seen what's been going on
day are pretty clear that it shocks the conscience
and you know when when we are requiring congressional oversight of these
agencies that have the potential to go
Rogan not only destroy you know our foreign policy but you're just our
credentials around the world RRR
authority around the world moral authority around the world in which is
often the only thing that we have the only bargaining chip we have to help
countries or
move in a direction of human rights when we're violating the Marcellus
now it's it's a again it's mind blowing but I think we can see a lot more about
this
if that reporters get released any personally gets released yet
have been that's really the biggest shame here i mean we're not
investigating andy is these abuses that took place under the Bush administration
just so that we can point fingers we know Obama is not going to do that
it's easy for us to say the dick cheney's were criminal which she is in
the authorized torture which is a legal
which it is and he did but we know the dick cheney is not going to end up in a
prison
what we're trying to do our lease my interest in this is the head of
another instanceof this being started the next time a Republican
or perhaps a hawkish democrat gets into office and decides
that enhanced interrogation is the way to go and this isn't a strictly like
this is enough
philosophical debate that we're having this has an effect on how people around
the world CS
as you said like our moral credibility that is not just some abstract cut
concept
that's an incredibly useful tool that we rely on how we interact with
with other countries governments but also the populations you can look today
you pull people around the globe
what do you think about the US and they hate us
they hate us far more than they did before and not just the countries that
we invaded and they're seeing
the way we treat people when we capture them they're seeing how we use drones
and things like that
these these are not these are not big philosophical concepts they have a very
real world consequences
for the future terrorist attacks against the United States for the future how
people interact with our soldiers
in countries around the world and it said it's a real fucking shame that Liz
Cheney things that's
basically a joke the dick cheney thinks it's a joke and that they have a
platform like Fox News to spread these lies on a daily basis an argument of
characterizing
those important issues with around the world who cares if they think we're
hardcore
care they think were vicious who cares about the Med is jealous cause we're
america
yeah in reality what we care about us how much is the world think our
presidents week
you know the fingerprint is weak suddenly you care with the road thanks
to you
so it depends on what side of the item you want to be out so they I mean
it's a matter I mean how mature people yelling about are
world things are present week and how much do your people on arthur the table
yelling about you understand what real relations this does to our country and
we actually no one knows what we're doing yet
waterboarding wasn't invented in 2003 it has a history but it has been a very
shady
negative history as many you probably know and and do more research into this
our special forces are often forced to undergo
waterboarding its order to test their endurance and things like that
but it's not meant to like help oh we need a subject that we can learn how to
waterboard people that that was being done to them because we knew
that are barbaric immoral enemies at the time were waterboarding captured
soldiers
and they needed to learn how to deal with it because that was the horrible
world that we lived in
it wasn't so that we could get ready to take part in that ourselves
is because we knew that the Russians and the Chinese in other countries like that
could possibly use on our soldiers
in the future when we try to bargain with other countries and try to
establish some minimum a level a treatment for our captured soldiers
we have no chips anymore we have no ability to do that
and so when a US soldier gets captured and he is subjected to waterboarding and
other forms a torture
sorry Liz Cheney think that that's what's required to keep her safe and
some abstract sense