[ APPLAUSE ] >>> GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE.
WELCOME TO THE SHOW.
I’M MEGYN KELLY.
OH, DO WE HAVE A GOOD ONE TO
DISCUSS THIS MORNING.
I LOVE THIS MORNING’S TOPIC.
JOINING ME TO BREAK DOWN WHAT’S
MAKING THE ROUNDS IS JACOB
SOBOROFF AND MORGAN RADFORD, IN
HER INNOUGAUGURAL APPEARANCE ON
PROGRAM.
PROGRAM. AND MATT ISEMAN OF --
>> "AMERICAN NINJA WARRIOR."
>> WE START WITH THE BIG REVEAL
FROM SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN.
PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS MOCKED HER
FOR HER CLAIMS THAT SHE IS
NATIVE AMERICAN.
NATIVE AMERICAN. SHE TRIED TO FACE THE CRITICISM
HEAD-ON THIS WEEK.
SHE TOOK A DNA TEST OF SORTS AND
RELEASED A SLICK VIDEO OUTLINING
HER FAMILY HISTORY.
IT IS SAFE TO SAY, IT DID NOT GO
WELL.
WELL. WE’RE GOING TO DISCUSS WHAT
HAPPENED.
HAPPENED. BUT FIRST, NBC’S PETER ALEXANDER
GETS US CAUGHT UP.
>> Reporter: ELIZABETH WARREN
REINSERTING HERSELF INTO THE
CONVERSATION AFTER PROVIDING A
DNA TEST THAT THE MASSACHUSETTS
SENATOR HAD A NATIVE AMERICAN IN
HER FAMILY TREE, DATING BACK SIX
TO EIGHT GENERATIONS.
WARREN HAS REPEATEDLY FACED
CRITICISM OVER HER CLAIMS.
NOW, THE LIKELY 2020 CONTENDER
IS LOOKING TO DIFFUSE THE ISSUE
THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP’S TRIED TO
TURN INTO A POLITICAL LIABILITY,
TAUNTING HER FOR YEARS.
>> POKECAHONTASPOCAHONTAS.
>> POKECAHONTASPOCAHONTAS. >> Reporter: SAYING THAT TRUMP
OWES HER AN APOLOGY.
>> SHE OWES THE COUNTRY AN
APOLOGY.
APOLOGY. >> Reporter: LAST SUMMER, HE
ENVISIONED A 2020 DEBATE WITH
WARREN.
WARREN. >> I WILL GIVE YOU $1 MILLION TO
YOUR FAVORITE CHARITY, PAID FOR
BY TRUMP, IF YOU TAKE THE TEST
AND IT SHOWS YOU’RE AN INDIAN.
YOU KNOW?
YOU KNOW? >> Reporter: BUT ON MONDAY,
DENIED OWING ANY DONATION.
>> YOU SAID YOU WOULD GIVE $1
MILLION TO CHARITY.
>> I DIDN’T SAY THAT.
YOU BETTER READ IT AGAIN.
>> Reporter: LATER, CLARIFYING
HIS CONDITIONS.
HIS CONDITIONS. >> YOU MEAN, IF SHE GETS THE
NOMINATION, IN THE DEBATE, WHERE
I WAS GOING TO HAVE HER TESTED.
I’LL ONLY DO IT IF I CAN TEST
HER PERSONALLY.
HER PERSONALLY. OKAY?
OKAY? THAT WILL NOT BE SOMETHING I
ENJOY DOING, EITHER.
>> Reporter: WARREN, UNVEILING
THE DNA TEST RESULTS AS A
CAMPAIGN-STYLE ROLLOUT, RELYING
ON ONE OF THE PREMIERE DNA
EXPERTS.
EXPERTS. >> THE PRESIDENT LIKES TO CALL
MY MOM A LIAR.
WHAT DO THE FACTS SAY?
>> THE FACTS SUGGEST THAT YOU
HAVE A NATIVE AMERICAN ANCESTOR
IN YOUR PEDIGREE.
>> OKAY.
>> OKAY. >> Reporter: THE ANALYSIS
SETTING HER AMERICAN INDIAN
ANCESTRY AS A SMALL FRACTION,
FUELING MORE PARTISAN CRITICISM.
>> ELIZABETH WARREN IS WHITER
THAN YOUR AVERAGE WHITE PERSON.
>> Reporter: INCLUDING "THE
DRUDGE REPORT," PUTTING WARREN
IN A HEAD DRESS.
IN THE VIDEO, WARREN SAYS SHE
RESPECTS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
FAMILY HISTORY AND TRIBAL AFILL
YAS
YAS AFILLUATION.
AFILLUATION. >> I’M NOT ENROLLED IN A TRIBE
AND ONLY TRIBES DETERMINE
CITIZENSHIP.
CITIZENSHIP. >> OH, BOY.
IT TURNS OUT THE BEST-CASE
SCENARIO FOR HER IS THAT THESHE
A GREAT, GREAT, GREAT
GRANDPARENT THAT MAY BE NATIVE
AMERICAN.
AMERICAN. >> GREAT TO THE FOURTH.
>> SHE MIGHT BE 1/1,024th PART
NATIVE AMERICAN.
NATIVE AMERICAN. THAT MEANS HER ANCESTOR COULD
PREDATE THE FORMATION OF THE
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. THIS IS THE REASON IT’S
CONTROVERSIAL.
CONTROVERSIAL. WHEN SHE WAS AT HARVARD LAW
SCHOOL AND WHEN SHE WAS AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF PENNSYLVANIA, SHE
REPRESENTED HERSELF AS NATIVE
AMERICAN.
AMERICAN. SHE CONTRIBUTED TO A NATIVE
AMERICAN COOKBOOK CALLED "POWWOW
CHOW" CALLING HERSELF CHEROKEE.
NOW, 1/1,024.
NOW, 1/1,024. I DON’T KNOW HOW TO SAY THAT.
IT DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO SAY
YOU’RE A CHEROKEE.
>> THE DISTINCTION IS BETWEEN
TRIBAL CITIZENSHIP, WHICH THE
CHEROKEE NATION CAME OUT AND
SAID THAT’S DIFFERENT FROM YOUR
DNA ANCESTRY.
DNA ANCESTRY. THERE’S SO MANY THINGS TO TALK
ABOUT HERE.
ABOUT HERE. DEMOCRATS ON THE LOCAL LEVEL
HAVE BEEN SPENDING TIME IN THE
DISTRICTS ARE BANGING THEIR
HEADS ON THE WALL SAYING, WHY
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS NOW?
WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC
AND THINGS PEOPLE CARE ABOUT.
I THINK THE PRESIDENT GOT CAUGHT
IN A PICK THERE’LL.
DO YOU THINK THAT THE PRESIDENT
OWES ELIZABETH WARREN $1 MILLION
TO HER CHARITY?
>> I DON’T THINK HE DOES.
THIS IS ALL ACADEMIC.
IF YOU LOOK WHAT HE SAID, I’LL
MAKE THE DONATION IF YOU CAN
PROVE THAT YOU’RE AN INDIAN.
THAT’S TO QUOTE HIM.
DID ELIZABETH WARREN PROVE SHE’S
AN INDIAN?
AN INDIAN? DID SHE?
DID SHE? >> IT WOULD BE NATIVE AMERICAN
FOR THE PRESIDENT.
>> CORRECT.
>> CORRECT. >> I’M OF A DIFFERENT MIND.
A LOT OF BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE
IN THIS COUNTRY DO NOT HAVE THE
DATA TO PROVE WHERE THEY COME
FROM.
FROM. PARTLY, THAT’S BECAUSE OF SLAVE
RECORDS THAT WARRANT DATA.
AND SECONDLY BECAUSE OF LAW.
THE QUANTIFYING OF WHITE
CULTURE, A LOT OF US HAD TO RELY
OF A BLACK PERSON OF MIXED RACE,
I’M ON ORAL TRADITION.
SHE’S NOT SAYING SHE USED THIS.
>> SHE DID.
>> ACKNOWLEDGING WHO YOU ARE
ISN’T USING WHO YOU ARE.
>> IT IS WHEN YOU’RE TOUTED AS
THE FIRST NATIVE AMERICAN
PROFESSOR AT HARVARD AND YOU’RE
NOT NATIVE AMERICAN.
>> SHE UNDERSTOOD SHE WAS NATIVE
AMERICAN.
AMERICAN. >> WE RIPPED ON A YOUNG HIGH
SCHOOL GIRL FOR WEARING A
PROGRAM DRESS THAT WAS KIMONO
STYLE, SAYING SHE WAS GUILTY OF
CULTURE APPROPRIATION.
CULTURE APPROPRIATION. >> IS THAT HER CULT CENTERURECUL
>> ELIZABETH WARREN HAS A
HERITAGE AT BEST THAT IS NOT SO
DIFFERENT FROM MOST IN THIS
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. >> THIS IS PROOF OF TRUMP BEING
ABLE TO DICTATE THE NEWS CYCLE.
HE SPEAKS AND OTHER PEOPLE JUMP
IN RESPONSE.
IN RESPONSE. LIKE YOU SAID, RATHER THAN
TALKING ABOUT ISSUES, ELIZABETH
WARREN IS TRYING TO DISPEL THE
CLAIMS.
CLAIMS. FOR BETTER OR WORSE, IT DOESN’T
SEEM TO BE COMING OUT, NOT A
SLAM DUNK, IN HER FAVOR.
>> SHE SCORED ON HERSELF.
SHE SCORED A GOAL AGAINST
HERSELF.
HERSELF. >> I CHECKED MY 23ANDME AND I’M
NATIVE AMERICAN.
NATIVE AMERICAN. >> ARE YOU?
>> DR. BUSTAMONTE IS PART OF
23ANDME.
23ANDME. A LOT OF THE TRIBES SAY THEY
DON’T WANT THEIR TRIBE MEMBERS
TO SUBMIT TO THE DNA TESTS
BECAUSE THEY’RE AFRAID OF HOW
THEY’LL BE USED.
THEY’RE USING A MIX OF MEXICAN,
COLOMBIAN AND PERUVIAN AS A
STAND-IN.
STAND-IN. TESTING POSITIVE DOESN’T
INDICATE THAT YOU’RE NATIVE
AMERICAN AT ALL.
WHAT I DON’T LIKE IS THE IDEA
OF, WE’RE GOING BACKWARDS TO THE
IDEA OF WHERE PEOPLE NEED PAPERS
TO PROVE YOUR ORIGINS.
>> I AGREE WITH YOU.
>> I DON’T LIKE THAT AT ALL.
>> WHY DO YOU GET TO DICTATE WHO
OR WHAT IF I AM.
I DON’T WANT ANYBODY TO PUT A
PENCIL IN MY HAIR TO SEE IF IT
STAYS TO PROVE THAT HEIMI’M BLAC
>> NOBODY WOULD BE SAYING
SOMETHING IF SHE DIDN’T SAY THAT
SHE WAS A NATIVE AMERICAN AS A
HARVARD PROFESSOR.
HARVARD PROFESSOR. YOU LOOK AT THE HISTORY OF MOST
AMERICANS, THERE WILL BE SOME
WHITE BLOOD IN PEOPLE WHO
IDENTIFY AS AFRICAN-AMERICAN AND
VICE VERSA.
VICE VERSA. IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK THAT MANY
GENERATIONS, WHERE YOU’RE
1/1,024, WHAT THEY’RE SAYING IS
THAT YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE MOSTLY
MIXED RACE.
MIXED RACE. THAT’S THE HISTORY OF OUR
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. >> LOOK, THIS IS A PERSONAL
ISSUE TO ELIZABETH WARREN THAT I
WISH SHE WAS ABLE TO SORT OUT ON
A PERSONAL BASIS AND NOT IN THE
PUBLIC SPOTLIGHT.
PUBLIC SPOTLIGHT. SHE BROUGHT IT UP AND IT’S
SOMETHING WE’RE TALKING ABOUT.
THIS OUTRAGE IS SUCH A
DISTRACTION FROM THE THINGS.
HAVING SPENT SO MUCH TIME IN THE
PLACES WHERE PEOPLE LIVE THEIR
DAY-TO-DAY LIVES, NOBODY IS
TALKING ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT
ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT.
AND SO, HONESTLY, I JUST FEEL
LIKE WE ARE TUNING OUT TO THE
ISSUES THAT PEOPLE REALLY CARE
ABOUT.
ABOUT. >> IT’S A SELF-INFLICTED WOUND.
>> THAT’S RIGHT.
>> THE PRESIDENT MADE THIS AN
ISSUE.
ISSUE. HE TWEETED ABOUT IT THIS MORNING
AT 8:10 A.M.
>> AND WE’RE PLAYING INTO IT.
>> HE’S NOT THE FIRST TO CALL
THIS ATTENTION TO ELIZABETH
WARREN.
WARREN. SHE SAID, I NEVER IDENTIFIED
MYSELF AS A NATIVE AMERICAN.
IT WAS ALREADY AN ISSUE.
SHE WAS HIT WHEN SHE WAS
RUNNING.
RUNNING. THE PRESIDENT MADE THE MOST OF
IT BECAUSE SHE SLAMS HIM, SHE
GIVES JUST AS GOOD AS SHE GETS.
THE TWO OF THEM ARE GOING AT IT.
HERE’S MY QUESTION TO YOU.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> IF SHE WERE A REPUBLICAN, YOU
WANT TO TELL ME THAT THE SAME
DEMOCRATS, WHO ARE DEFENDING HER
NOW AND SAYING, YOU DON’T GET TO
ASK, SHE’S ALLOWED TO CLAIM IT
BECAUSE IT’S GREAT, GREAT,
GREAT, GREAT -- YOU DON’T THINK
THERE WOULD BE A DIFFERENT
REACTION?
REACTION? >> AGAIN, I THINK THE ISSUES
THAT BOTH THE REPUBLICANS AND
THE DEMOCRATS CHOOSE TO FOCUS ON
AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL ARE SO
UNBELIEVABLY DISCONNECTED.
UNBELIEVABLY DISCONNECTED. I GUARANTEE YOU, IT’S NOT AN
ISSUE THAT ANYBODY IN THIS
AUDIENCE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT.
WHAT MATTERS TO YOU MOST?
NOBODY WOULD SAY ELIZABETH
WARREN’S NATIVE AMERICAN
HERITAGE.
HERITAGE. >> IF SHE IS NOT A TRUTHFUL
PERSON, IT MATTERS.
WE RIP ON TRUMP A LOT FOR THE
SPIN HE OFFERS, IF I’M GOING TO
BE CHARITABLE TO TRUMP.
HE DOESN’T ALWAYS TELL THE
TRUTH.
TRUTH. THAT’S A FACT.
IT’S FAIR GAME FOR HER, TOO.
IT’S FAIR GAME FOR HER, TOO.
AND WHAT IS THE HISTORY?
WHEN SHE GOT QUESTIONED ON THIS,
SHE CITED HER HIGH CHEEKBONES AS
EVIDENCE THAT WAS HER EVIDENCE
THAT IT WAS OKAY FOR HER TO
REPRESENT HERSELF AS A NATIVE
AMERICAN AT HARVARD AND U. PENN,
TOO, TWO ACADEMIC INSTITUTIONS.
>> I THOUGHT THE MOST OFFENSIVE
THING WAS SHE CALLED IT "POWWOW
CHOW."
CHOW." IT WAS TERRIBLE.
THAT WAS AWFUL.
THAT WAS OFFENSIVE ABOUT IT.
THAT’S WHERE SHE SHOULD BE
PENALIZED.
PENALIZED. >> YOU HAVE NOT HEARD THE LAST
OF THIS.
OF THIS. TRUMP SENT OUT THREE TWEETS,
THANKING THE CHEROKEE NATION FOR
GOING AFTER HER.
THEY CALLED HER USE OF THE DNA
TEST INAPPROPRIATE AND WRONG.
THEY SAY THIS IS DISHONORING
LEGITIMATE CITIZENS.
LEGITIMATE CITIZENS. THEY HAD A FEW CHOICE WORDS FOR
ELIZABETH WARREN AND THEY DO NOT
BELIEVE SHE IS A CHEROKEE.
YOU HAVEN’T HEARD THE LAST OF