- Tom is here in spirit.
You guys have been on a whirlwind tour.
But you guys are stronger than Tom.
You made it, Tom has been felled.
- Yes, us together.
- It's just like we're...
- People basically say they enjoy us more.
- We dominate everything.
You're welcome.
- The next Spider-Man film won't have Spider-Man.
He's kind of superfluous to it, I think, at this point.
- I mean, boring.
Like, why would you need that?
- I know, like, he don't even want to be a hero, this dude.
- 'The Adventures of MJ and Ned' has a nice ring to it.
- I mean...
- You have no idea, we've been talking about this
for so long.
- We've been talking about it.
We've been talking about it.
I mean, it's about time.
- Just saying, man. Goodness.
- It's good to see you both.
Congratulations.
The new Spider-Man film, 'Spider-Man: Far From Home'
coming July 2nd.
It's an awesome piece of work, guys.
- Thanks.
- Aw, please.
- That makes the press tour a little bit better, right?
- Yeah, when you are excited about the movie.
- When you know it's good (laughs)
- Well, you guys have gotten to know each other
quite a bit the last few years.
You've made two films, you've done two
ginormous press tours.
By now, do you have a sense when the other one is annoyed,
tired, maybe...
- Yeah, pretty, pretty obvious.
- Yeah.
- But also they don't make it too subtle, like...
(laughing)
Definitely let it be known.
- What's the best way to annoy Tom?
To like get under his skin, is there...
- Apparently, scratch on like, they're like styrofoam
and they have a thing, if you touch them...
- With your nails, it makes that kind of
weird screeching noise. - Sound. He hates that.
- Yeah, yeah.
- So you're just going to start to travel around with that?
- With that, just that one board.
- "Hi, Tom."
(makes screeching noise)
- No, he would literally die.
- How about this: are you competitive
with each other?
Beyond lip sync battles, do you find...
- Well, me and Tom are competitive.
I've never really been competitive with you.
- There's nothing, I feel like there's nothing
we need to like, be competitive about, seriously.
- Yeah, we're good.
- We're on such high levels. - But that other guy?
- What are you competitive with Tom about?
- Mostly everything.
- Yeah, like at weird things, too.
Not even like an actual game.
- Yeah.
- Sort of just like, oh, who ate more?
- Yeah.
(laughs)
Yeah, pretty much.
- A game in which there are no winners.
(laughing)
- Let's talk a little bit about the content of this film
without revealing too much.
We can say this is a summer abroad
for you guys, and there's romance in the air.
Were you surprised when you saw that
there was as much romance as there was
for both of your characters in this one?
- Did you know that Neddie Pot was going to be a thing?
- You know what was so funny?
I remember Tom was telling me, like,
"Dude, the new storyline is so funny,
"you got a girlfriend."
And I'm like, "No. No way."
And then you read the script,
and it's like this super cute thing.
- Yeah, it's so adorable.
- Aw, man, it's great 'cause then your guys'
relationship is like super awkward.
- Yeah, it's like the opposite.
- And ours is full-on...
- Going smoothly.
- Yeah, full-on, like, European vacation together.
- It's just love from the start.
- [Both] Yeah.
- And it's been interesting to see
the development of MJ and Peter in these films
because we're so used to, by now,
seeing MJ being so dry and withdrawn
and not, kind of, revealing her true colors.
And to actually see her broken down a little bit...
- Yeah.
- Was that fun or was that weird to kind of play
that kind of aspect of it?
- I mean, it's been nice because, again,
the character is like, such a specific character,
and I think a lot of people make some assumptions
about who she is and what she's like.
And I think it's really nice to kind of see
how Peter is really the only person that can
catch her off guard.
The only person that she's willing to, like, be
I don't know...
- Like, kind of vulnerable.
- Vulnerable, with, yeah.
And so it's sweet.
And I think they like each other
for all the things that make them, I think, the outsiders
and the weirdos, so.
- Totally.
- That's really sweet and we get to see
the evolution of this really cute,
awkward, you know, teen romance thing,
which is sweet and you feel like, you know,
when anything happens between them you feel
like they deserve it because you've watched
all the, like, godawful cringey moments.
- The painful awkwardness, yes, exactly.
- So you're like, "Aw, like it's working," you know.
- So when this part came around at first,
was it very specifically said to you
like, this is going to be our universe's version of MJ?
- No
- No?
- All I knew was that auditioning the
first time around for the movie...
Basically, they said there's two like, female roles
you know, kind of in the movie, and one will be like,
you know, kind of the love interest for this one
and then the other character is MJ.
So, obviously she'll be small in this role
and then, as the, you know, movies go on
you'll kind of understand her a little bit more.
So I was like "Dope."
I was just excited, to like, be a part of it.
I was like, "I will take whatever role you give me."
- "Whatever you guys want."
- You don't understand, like my agent
my manager at the time said like,
"You know, you're auditioning for this role
"but they could totally give you something
"totally small and different."
I'm like, "Bro, I don't...
- "I don't care."
- "Like, please, I'll do it.
- "I'll take whatever you got."
- "If I'm just like...
"If I just say "Hi."
(laughing)
- Yeah, same.
So, I knew that I was auditioning for the role of MJ,
that would be kind of hidden
and people wouldn't know 'til the end of the movie.
But I didn't know that it was like
a re-imagining of, I think, the original character.
And was going to be, basically,
the Marvel Cinematic Universe's version
of what MJ, or Mary Jane, represents.
- [Josh] Yes.
- So, I didn't really learn that
until we actually got to work
and Jon kind of gave me some references
and I was like, "Oh, so, it's different. Yeah."
He was like, "You know 'Daria?'"
And I was like, "Like, the cartoon?"
And he was like, "Yeah."
He was like, "Like, 'Daria.'"
And I was like, "Okay."
- Nice.
- "I can do that."
So there--
Thus, we have our MJ.
- Are we ever going to see the red hair
that you're sporting now
in the MCU, in the...
- Not in this movie.
I don't know.
We'll see what she ends up doing.
Or what Jon ends up doing.
- Do we want to see Gwen Stacy enter the mix?
- I don't know.
- Hey look, I mean, the more the merrier, I say.
(laughs)
- Easy for you to say.
That doesn't impact your relationship.
- Oh, I mean, you know, well.
- I mean, you never know.
Anything is possible.
- These people, like, you know, hormones and everything.
- It's unpredictable.
- Kids.
- Jeez, you know.
- Ned and Gwen, next film
- I mean, shoot.
Why not?
(laughs)
- Talk to me about your perspective.
You're in the Spider-Man side of the universe,
which is obviously connected to the MCU.
When you saw 'Endgame,' did you come into it blind?
Did you know anything about what was going to happen
in 'Infinity War' or 'Endgame?'
- Unfortunately, being friends with Tom Holland...
- Really ruins a lot of movies for you.
- Right.
- So, we knew like, for, a long time.
- Yeah.
- A long-ass time.
It wasn't even something like...
He just said it out of a whim, too.
- Yeah.
- It wasn't like, "Oh, dude, sit down
"we've got something to talk about."
- He just threw it away.
- Or like gave us a decision.
Like, "Hey, would you like to know?"
(laughs)
- Like friends would do, like a friend might do.
- It was just like, "This is who's gonna die."
- He just forced it on us.
You know, we were forced to live with that guilt.
- Forced to carry that burden.
- Carry that pain.
- And, it's heartbreaking, really.
- Do you trust Tom with your secrets?
Because as we do know by now, he is just...
- I feel like, it's kind of...
Some times I kinda hold back some things.
- Right.
- I feel like he'd be good at, like, serious stuff.
It's the things that he gets too excited about.
It's not necessarily that he can't keep a secret
it's that if he gets too excited,
he'll want to share it.
- So ATM code is fine, because there's nothing
that exciting about it.
- Yeah, not that exciting.
- But plot revelations...
Jacob's a little...
(laughing)
- You never know.
It depends on whose ATM it is.
- That's what I'm saying.
That's a pretty interesting bank card.
- Spoiler alert for those who haven't seen
the last two Avengers movies,
but were you more moved by Peter dying
in 'Infinity War,' or
Tony Stark dying in 'Endgame?'
- I mean, they were both pretty powerful moments, I think.
- Yeah, it's pretty powerful both ways.
But then, like, it's also kind of...
Like, we know Tom.
I've only got to meet Robert Downey, Jr. once,
which broke my heart because
it's Robert Downey, Jr.
And I'd like to pretend like we're best friends.
(laughs)
- All I'm saying is, we FaceTimed Robert
doing this commercial one time
and he was like, "Bro, Jacob, what the (beep)'s up, man?
"Everyone knows your (beep)ing name now.
"You're so lucky, bitch"
Like, it was so fun.
Like, he was literally saying that.
It was so funny.
- Did you have a similar interaction, Zendaya?
- I did not.
It was just a "Hello, how are you, nice to meet you."
(laughs)
- [Josh] He's playing it cool.
He knew.
He knows.
- Yeah.
- He knows, he knows.
- It's the beginning of something beautiful.
- I hope so.
But, with that being said.
- Yes.
- Yeah, I think, knowing Tom, it was like,
it was like, "Aw."
- Yeah. (laughing)
It was kind of sad.
- It really was.
But I also, like, laughed a lot at both of those scenes.
- But then I also got nervous, 'cause I was like
"Are we still doing the second movie?"
(laughing)
- Yeah, you had a moment of like, sad...
- I was like "Aw...Oh, no!"
(laughing)
- But, no, also, I did really laugh a lot, so.
- Why were you laughing?
- Again, we know these people.
- He has a dark humor.
- Yeah, I know it sounds morbid.
- "Ha ha, Spider-Man's dying!"
- It's morbid, I know, but it's really like...
Obviously, it's just CGI, right?
- 'Cause it's Tom, yeah.
- Yeah, so you can just...
I can just imagine him laying down on the green screen
- And then just staying there.
- And like, just like "I'm dead."
(laughing)
- I don't think he said that.
That wasn't the line, though.
- But he did talk about that.
He did say how like,
obviously they disappear in post,
so he just had to lay there while
everybody else was doing their lines.
I was like, "That's hilarious."
(laughing)
- At this point do you care,
have an interest,
on, like the next villain you see in a Spider-Man film?
- I mean, Spider-Man has some of the best villains,
so really, the options are limitless.
- Yeah.
I mean, excited, hell yeah.
Because there's so many different people
that could, like, team up eventually.
- Do you have a vote?
Anyone that jumps to mind?
- I mean, you know, there's one character
called um, the Hobgoblin.
- Yes.
- And this is a secret I'm gonna tell you guys right now.
I'm actually gonna do that part.
- Wait, what?
(laughing)
- No, no, no.
- Does Sony know this?
Does Marvel know this?
- Does anybody know this?
- This is just something I dreamed up
in my room last night.
- MTV exclusive.
- I'm breaking the news right now.
- Oh, wow.
- Just so you know.
- [Josh] Wow.
- That's a big spoiler in this movie.
- Yeah.
- I become Hobgoblin, guys.
You're welcome.
- I think I saw a different print of it.
(laughs)
- You guys kind of have the best of
all possible worlds being in these Spider-Man films,
I feel like, because you get to go to the locales
and enjoy each other's company,
and then you get to wish Tom well as
he jumps around like a crazy person doing crazy stunts.
Is there any envy of, like, oh, he gets to do
the fun stuff?
Or...
- Honestly, the stories I've heard
about him having to wear that suit,
I do not...
- I don't wish that on my worst enemy.
(laughing)
- You know what I think about all the time
that really scares me?
Is like, when he wears that thing,
the mask that you can't just take off,
- Yeah, you can't see out of it either.
- 'cause it's all like one piece,
I get scared all the time like
what if he's working so hard that he throws up?
And then he can't, he...
- [Both] Chokes.
- Yeah.
- I think about it, all the time.
Like, that's really scary.
- You think about that all the time?
- I do.
Because I look at him like,
"Please, I hope he never gets sick, oh my God."
So scary.
- And also, like, when he's like, doing flips and stuff
like, and he can't see out the mask.
It's like, how is he doing that?
- Yeah.
- You know, like, it's crazy.
- So,
much respect to Tom.
- Yeah, shout out.
'Cause I don't want to be wearing a thong
in a body tight suit.
- Neither do I.
- For like 12 hours a day.
No one wants that.
- But for Hobgoblin, you're gonna have to do that, man.
- No, I'm gonna tell them to make it just, like, sweatpants.
(laughs)
- A roomy fit.
- Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
Just a jacket, maybe.
(laughing)
- The film's about to come out,
I don't know what your schedules are
in terms of what you're off to next,
but I would imagine if I were you,
I would want to like sneak into a theater and see...
- Oh, I definitely am going to.
- I just want to see how people are going to react to it.
- React to it, yeah, same.
- 'Cause there's some spoilery stuff
we're not talking about here.
- I did it last time.
- Aw, did you?
- Yeah.
Actually, Tom was with me.
- Were you like, "Woo, Zendaya!"
- We went in sweatshirts.
Like, Spider-Man--
Like, they were kids sweatshirts,
but I got them at Target.
(laughing) - Nice, nice.
- And we went and saw it.
- That's really cool.
I want to do that.
But I'm just too famous now, it's just...
- [Josh] Right.
(laughing)
- You don't want that clout.
- A couple things.
Zendaya, you're always the busiest human being alive.
You shot your part in 'Dune,' I hear,
which I could not be more excited about.
- I'm excited, too.
- Timothée Chalamet is so talented.
- Yeah, he's awesome.
- What was he like?
- He's wonderful, he's such a nice dude.
- [Josh] Yeah.
- Like, really, really great guy,
so I'm excited just as everyone else is.
- And cool to be a part of Denis Villeneuve's crazy vision?
- Not a bad, not a bad job at all.
Big fan.
- Lately, both Hugh and Zac have talked
that there might in fact be a 'Greatest Showman' sequel.
- Will there?
- Nice.
- Not that I'm aware of.
- No info from your end?
- I have not heard anything about that.
But, hey, it's...
Apparently it's a thing.
- Why not?
(laughing)
- You heard it here first.
- There you go.
- You know that thing where you keep speaking it
and it just happens?
- It's greenlit, it's coming out next Christmas.
- I just want to know like, what would it be about?
- I know, it is a tricky sequel to do.
- 'Cause it's like, everything already happened.
- Oh, Barnum and Bailey.
- I need to get my Zendaya movie quiz out
and really see...
- No, seriously, 'cause I could totally win.
- Have you seen 'Euphoria?'
(clears throat) - Um...
- Mhm.
Have you?
- You know, I'm so busy.
- Have you?
- He's big time now.
- I'm so...
- So bull(beep).
(laughing)
- Wow.
- No, you know what...
- I've seen it.
I did my job.
Congratulations.
- Thank you.
- You know what?
I'm gonna watch it when I get to LA.
- I'm sure you will.
- I'm gonna put HBO on right at the hotel.
I'm so done with this bull(beep).
- Briefly on that one, I'm just curious,
I mean, it must be bizarre,
you're like, promoting two different,
very different sort of things.
- Very different.
(laughs)
Teenage experiences.
- Were you nervous about, sort of, the reception
to something like 'Euphoria,'
which is so honest and so bold,
and so different than anything you've ever done before?
- Of course, of course.
Again, I haven't really been able to go that route so,
I knew that people who needed to see it
or needed to connect to it, would.
And I think it would just eventually speak for itself.
So, it's kind of, yeah, I don't know.
It's out there, so.
- It must be a kick to see it on social media
like, as these first couple episodes have come out
- Yeah.
- You can see the immediate discussions.
- Yeah, because, the show came out almost two or three weeks
after we finished, like, the day we wrapped,
so it was like (gasps).
You know, like, a very quick, you know.
So we didn't really have time to dissociate a little bit.
You know, like, with a movie like this,
or any movie, you have time between
to just kind of like, let go of it.
And let it like, the ownership of it belong to someone else.
So it's kind of different to have something that's so
emotionally whatever, and then having to
let the world see it.
- Well it's good to have a palate cleanser
like just going around the world to promote
a Spider-Man movie.
- Yeah, it is.
It definitely is a pick-me-up for sure.
Because like those couple weeks between,
before I started the press tour,
I was like literally just like not leaving my house.
So this is good for me, I think.
(laughs)
- I think we found out a lot about each other today.
- It really opened my eyes.