- Over past year, cops have faced increasing scrutiny
based on their actions against minorities.
To get to the bottom of this,
"The Daily Show" sent not one-
- But two correspondents to go deep.
- Super deep.
So we decided to sit down with some cops
to see why they're-
- Racists. - Under attack.
Tonight on...
There's gonna be a graphic right here.
- [Producer] No graphic.
- No graphic?
Oh, let's go inside. (intense music)
After all the shootings
of unarmed minorities throughout the country,
the nation is now split into two camps,
either the cops are racist, or they're not racist.
But only one side can be right.
So we sat down with former NYPD detective
and Fox News contributor Beau Dietl
to get the definitive answer.
This is a tough question to ask, Beau, but I gotta ask it.
- Go ahead.
- Are police racist?
- No.
- That's good enough for me.
I'm satisfied.
We're good here!
- Un-(beep)-believable.
Are you serious?
- [Jordan] Yep. - [Roy] You're not gonna
ask him any more questions?
- He said they're not racist.
- [Roy] NYPD was whoppin' ass!
- Beau, Beau, look. Beau, I'm sorry.
Beau, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. - He knows about bias.
- Beau, he's new.
- All cops are not racist.
Everyone starting to believe, like, you are,
that there is a overwhelming conspiracy with all the cops,
they go, "Ooh, let's go get a Black guy
"and beat him to death."
That's not what's going on there.
- [Roy] Of course a cop's going to say police aren't racist,
but what about an expert
who runs a center which studies the police, Dr. Phil Goff?
Okay, so let's start with the facts.
All cops are racist.
- No, all cops are not racist.
- Told you.
All cops are awesome.
- No, all cops are not awesome.
- Is there (beep) nuance to this?
- There is nuance to this.
Police, like everybody else hold implicit biases.
Implicit bias is the shorthand
that we take for the automatic association between people
and stereotypes that we have about those people.
And we've done that with Black and crime
a whole heck of a lot.
Almost all people hold implicit biases.
- I don't hold any biases.
I don't at him and I see a cool ass white dude.
- I look at him- - Look at him,
shirt tucked in, look like a weatherman.
- You can trust me. I trust this guy, right?
He's got Southern charm.
He's a Black dude without earrings.
Yeah, I like that dude.
(audience laughs)
- If it's true that neither of you have biases,
then you are very rare individuals.
- Well, I think that's true.
- I'm amazing.
- [Jordan] Not surprisingly,
there's a program that nerdy Suge Knight developed
which trains police officers to delink bias
from their decision making.
- We've been very involved in training officers
to limit the influence of their biases on their behaviors.
- So a police chief comes to you and says,
"Help, we just shot a Black kid.
"Please help us so we could quit doing that."
- Police chiefs usually don't call us and say, "Help."
- [Roy] But some police departments
have sought out these techniques,
like this deadly force simulator,
which shows a series of real-life situations
that test your ability to not act on assumptions of race.
(gunfire popping)
Hey, hey, hey. What are you doing?
- What?
- Bias ass, that's "Empire."
Bias training consists of three key components,
scenario-based training, written testing,
and talking (beep) out.
To see it in action,
we headed to the Madison, Wisconsin Police Department,
one of the few in the country
that has an extensive anti-bias program.
And there's a compelling reason why.
- Tonight there are protests
over another deadly police shooting of an unarmed man
after complaints of a confrontation,
this one last night in Madison, Wisconsin.
- So we sat down
with the Madison chief of police, Mike Koval,
to ask one little question.
Are all police biased?
- Yes, the police have biases-
(Roy claps hands)
- Got him.
- Got him?
- He said it.
- Who are you calling?
- Black people. Can you just let me-
- You're calling Black people?
- Yes.
- Let me get that number.
- Yeah, I'm in Wisconsin. White dude just said it.
Bias, all of 'em.
Uh-huh.
Tell Black Twitter.
- Black Twitter?
- You don't know about Black Twitter?
- No.
- Yeah, Black Twitter.
Hello, Black Twitter?
Hello.
- You should get on Black Twitter. It's hilarious.
I don't know what they're talking about half the time,
but it is funny.
So he admitted they're biased
and I have to say, they seem like pretty nice guys.
- There you go. - Hey, all right.
I'm feeling it. - This looks good.
Looks good, looking good.
- [Jordan] Yeah, this is nice.
- What do you do? What do you do?
Roy, my man!
Ah, hands up, buddy. (officer laughs)
(Jordan laughs)
And then the scenario-based training began.
Of course a couple of unbiased reporters like us
would ace this.
- [Instructor] All right, role players,
you wanna get in position?
All right, Jordan, you can go ahead and observe.
- We have the rap star over here,
who clearly hit this pregnant woman.
I'd arrest these two guys and get back to business.
- He's not a rap star.
He doesn't have a gold chain.
- All right, role players,
can you share with them what happened here?
- Oh! - What an awesome game!
- So amazing.
(woman grunts)
Oh my God, are you okay? - Anne?
- I don't know.
- [Both] Are you okay?
- What's going on?
- CPR, CPR.
- Are you okay? - Roll her over.
- Why is the Black guy trying to kill the lady
who's having a heart attack?
Okay, okay, let's try this one more time.
- This scenario is called "The Domestic Disturbance."
You're gonna observe the scene,
you're gonna maybe verbally control the people involved.
- This guy's getting too old for this (beep).
Like "Lethal Weapon."
Have you seen "Lethal Weapon"?
Like, "Bad Boys," I don't know.
- I've seen "Bad Boys."
- Yeah, I bet.
Let's do this!
(Jordan imitates gun firing)
- You're first, Jordan. (Jordan exhales sharply)
- Action.
(woman sobbing) - I'm so sorry.
- Is everything okay in here?
Excuse me, get away from the woman.
Get away from the woman.
Get down. Get down on the ground!
Get down on the ground!
Ma'am,
it's gonna be all right. - Stop the scenario, stop.
- And, scene.
That was fun! (claps hands)
That was fun, huh?
Yeah!
You were great. And scary.
Try it. You're gonna love it.
- I'm sorry about him, Officer Prado.
All right, action. - So sorry.
- Sorry. - So sorry.
(woman sobbing) - This is never gonna happen-
- Stop crying!
- She needs help.
- Stop crying!
What happened?
- She needs help.
- What happened? Why are you crying?
- [Woman] Don't yell at her.
(woman sobs)
- Officer, what are you doing?
- I'm getting too old for this (beep).
- I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
- 472, we gonna need a white female officer
to come handle this.
(woman sobs)
- Knock, knock.
Hello, Officer Wood.
As a white female officer, I'll take care of this.
Are you okay? Get on the ground!
Get on the ground!
Get away!
- You know what? Okay.
So maybe we do have our own biases
and this training can go a long way
to help officers make bias-free decisions on the street.
This is great.
Oh, but there's just one little problem.
You see, the shooting of Tony Robinson was six months ago.
The Madison PD started their bias training six years ago!
What the hell, Koval?
What do you have to say for yourself?
- The key is that we've gotta acknowledge
that this is a problem
that is recurring with all too great a frequency,
because if no one's talking
because we're all hunkered and bunkered down,
there's no possible way we can move the needle forward.
So I think, if nothing else, show affirmative steps
that you're doing something, damn it,
that's going to make the training less likely
to end in those outcomes.
- Okay, fine. But talk is cheap.
Can bias training really change police behavior?
How can we as a public buy into the realism
that police bias training could work
when you have so many incidents like Tony Robinson?
- Freddie Gray.
- Walter Scott.
- Sandra Bland.
- Eric Garner.
- Somebody who gets shot next month.
- Implicit bias training is a good idea,
but it's not sufficient.
You don't wanna just do a training,
you always wanna do trainings with policy changes,
with community engagement.
And even then, there's still gonna be these incidents
'cause we live in a world
where policing is frequently the symptom,
not the cause of the inequality.
It can't be that police are on one side
and community's are on the other.
The police are public and the public are the police.
- Just like in "Bad Boys."
- Yeah!
Have you seen "Bad Boys"?
- It's not at all like "Bad Boys."
- It's a little bit like "Bad Boys."
- It's not at all like "Bad Boys."
- I mean, like-
- Have you even seen "Bad Boys"?
- I have seen "Bad Boys."
- So it's kinda like that.
- It's not at all like "Bad Boys."
♪ Bad boys, bad boys ♪
♪ What ya gonna do ♪
♪ What ya gonna do when we come for you ♪
♪ With an open mind and an awareness of our biases ♪
♪ And cultural differences ♪
♪ Being nice people ♪
♪ When we come for you ♪
- Why the hell am I in the back seat?
("Bad Boys") (audience laughs)
(lively music)