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♪ >> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY.
WE'RE BACK HERE WITH MICHAEL MOORE.
NOW, YOU'VE MADE DOCUMENTARIES OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS, BUT IF
YOU WERE GOING TO LOOK BACK AND MAKE A DOCUMENTARY ABOUT THE
LAST FOUR YEARS IN AMERICA, ABOUT THE SWEEP OF IT, WHAT
WOULD YOU SAY THE LESSON OR THE THEMES YOU WOULD TAKE FROM THE
LAST FOUR YEARS OF THIS PRESIDENCY?
>> FIRST, I WOULD NOT MAKE THAT FILM, IN PART BECAUSE WHO WOULD
WANT TO WATCH A FILM THAT SHOWED YOU THE LAST FOUR YEARS?
WE JUST LIVED THROUGH IT.
THE WORST THING I COULD DO TO PEOPLE IS SHOW THEM THE LAST
FOUR YEARS.
FOR THAT REASON ALONE, THE IDEA IS OUT, BUT YOUR QUESTION IS A
GOOD ONE.
>> Stephen: THANK YOU.
WHAT IF WE LEARNED?
AND I THINK THE THING THAT'S BEEN -- THE FACT THAT WE AS
AMERICANS WOULD ALLOW A SITUATION -- SO MANY SITUATIONS,
ACTUALLY -- TO EXIST, WHETHER IT'S TAKING BABIES OUT OF THEIR
MOTHERS' ARMS, PUTTING THEM IN CAGES, WHETHER IT'S ALL THE
OTHER STUFF THAT WE LET THIS GO ON, IT WAS DONE IN OUR NAME,
AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S -- YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER
FOR THIS SOME DAY BECAUSE IT WAS DONE IN MY NAME, AND MY TAX
DOLLARS PAID FOR IT.
SO I THINK THAT'S A VERY -- I THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE A WHILE
FOR US.
IN A WAY, I GUESS WE CAN REDEEM OURSELVES WITH THIS IS OUR NEW
PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT ARE GOING TO DO THINGS THAT ARE
GOING TO BE THERE FOR PEOPLE.
I MEAN, JUST BEFORE WE STARTED, THE THING CAME ACROSS THAT THE
POPE HAD CALLED JOE BIDEN, AND THEY HAD A CONVERSATION, AND THE
BIDEN CAMPAIGN, THEY PUT OUT A READOUT OF WHAT THE CONVERSATION
SAID, AND IN THERE THEY TALKED ABOUT -- BIDEN TALKED ABOUT, TO
THE POPE, ABOUT HOW HE WAS GOING TO MAKE AMERICA A WELCOMING
PLACE FOR PEOPLE, FOR REFUGEES, FOR THE HAVE-NOTS, AND THE
HAVE-NOTS THAT WE HAVE HERE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE PRIMARY FOCUS
BECAUSE, I MEAN, THIS IS OUR SECOND CATHOLIC PRESIDENT, SO,
YOU KNOW, HE -- >> Stephen: THAT'S BEEN
OVERLOOKED A LITTLE BIT.
NOT AS MUCH A DEAL HAS BEEN MADE OF THAT.
>> RIGHT.
>> Stephen: BUT AS A CATHOLIC MYSELF, I WAS REALLY STRUCK --
FIRST OF ALL, I KNOW MR. BIDEN TO BE A FREQUENT IF NOT DAILY
COMCOMMUNICANT AND HE TAKES HIS FAITH SERIOUSLY AND I'M MOVED
WITH THE CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH HIM PUBLICLY AND PRIVATELY
ABOUT HIS FAITH, AND YOU'VE HAD AN OPEN CONVERSATION ABOUT HIS
RELIGION.
WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT TO YOU?
>> BECAUSE HE AND YOU AND I, WE ALL WENT TO CATHOLIC SCHOOL AND
LEARNED THE SAME LESSONS.
I SAID TO HIM IN THIS LETTER, WHAT ARE THE LESSONS?
THE LESSON IS THE RICH MAN WILL HAVE A HARDER TIME GETTING INTO
HEAVEN THAN A CAMEL GETTING INTO THE EYE OF A NEEDLE.
BLESSED ARE THE POOR, THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE WHO
DON'T -- WHO ARE THE LEAST AMONG US, THAT'S HOW WE'LL BE JUDGED.
SO I SAID I'M ASSUMING -- I SAID THIS TO HIM -- THAT THESE ARE
GOING TO BE THE MORAL PRINCIPLES OF THE BIDEN PRESIDENCY.
I'M JUST GOING TO ASSUME THAT AUTOMATICALLY BECAUSE I DO
BELIEVE HE'S A MAN OF FAITH, AND I THINK THAT IS GOING TO SERVE
US REALLY WELL.
FOR THIS EXAMPLE, STEPHEN, THE FACT THAT HE PICKED KAMALA
HARRIS TO BE HIS RUNNING MATE, BUT ASIDE THE FACT THAT TRUMP
AND PENCE WERE RIGHT WHEN SHE IS RANKED THE MOST LIBERAL SENATOR
IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE, SO HE WENT TO THE LEFT WHEN HE
CHOSE HIS VICE PRESIDENT.
MORE THAN THAT, IN THE FIRST DEBATE, SHE WENT AFTER HIM.
>> Stephen: OH, THEY BUTTED HEADS, YEAH.
>> AND YOU COULD SEE ON HIS FACE, HE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO
SAY.
LATER I THOUGHT, HE HAS A CONSCIENCE, THERE'S A LITTLE
VOICE IN THERE SAYING, WELL, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SHE'S GOT A POINT.
YOU KNOW, BUT THAT WAS THE YOUNGER ME.
AND SHE WAS THROWING SHADE ON THE YOUNGER SELF OF JOE BIDEN.
BUT THE FACT THAT NOT ONLY HE FORGAVE THAT, THAT HE HELD NO
GRUDGE, THAT HE JUST DIDN'T FORGIVE, HE PUT HER ON THE
TICKET, WHO WOULD DO THAT?
I WOULD LIKE TO THINK I WOULD, BUT I DON'T THINK I WOULD.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WOULD.
YOU KNOW, WE WOULD LIKE -- HE DID THAT, AND I THOUGHT, WOW, IF
THAT IS HIS MORAL COMPASS, IF THIS IS HOW HE IS TOWARD PEOPLE,
PEOPLE WHO HE PROBABLY -- HE WAS PROBABLY MAD AT HER THAT NIGHT,
BUT HE DIDN'T HOLD IT AGAINST HER, SHE HAD A RIGHT TO SAY IT,
THEN HE PICS HER TO BE VICE PRESIDENT.
THIS IS SUCH A POSITIVE SIGN FOR ME THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE IN
THE POLAR OPPOSITE ERA THAN THE FOUR YEARS THAT WE JUST WENT
THROUGH.
>> Stephen: I WOULD AGREE.
WHILE THE UNITED STATES STILL HAS THE SAME PROBLEMS IT HAD TWO
WEEKS AGO, AT LEAST THE POSITION OF THE PRESIDENT WILL BE
OCCUPIED BY SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO EMBODY SOME OF THE
PRINCIPLES, RELIGIOUS OR NOT, THAT WE NEED AS A MORAL EXAMPLE
FOR ALL OF US TO GET ALONG.
MYEL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
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