>> Stephen: WELCOME BACK, EVERYBODY.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, MY NEXT GUEST IS A ROCK 'N ROLL
HALL OF FAME INDUCTEE WHO CO-FOUNDED THE LEGENDARY HIP-HOP
GROUP, "PUBLIC ENEMY." HE HAS A NEW DOCUSERIES ON PBS
CALLED "FIGHT THE POWER: HOW HIP-HOP CHANGED THE WORLD."
ITS MESSAGE WAS REALLY THE CULMINATION OF THE LAST 25 YEARS
THAT WAS THRUST UPON BLACK FOLKS.
SNOATS GOT A BUM EDUCATION. ♪ CAN'T TAKE THE TRAIN TO THE
JOB. ♪ BACK AT THE STATION.
♪. >> MY GROUP WASN'T THE HAPPY
FIVE T WAS THE FURIOUS FIVE, SO I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A HIGH STRUNG
ANGRY TYPE INDIVIDUAL. CUZ I'M CLOSE TO THE EDGE.
♪ I'M TRYING NOT TO LOSE MY HEAD.
♪ HA HA. ♪.
>> WHEN THE MESSAGE CAME OUT THAT GAVE HIP-HOP A VOICE AND IT
ACTUALLY GREW UP, LIKE THAT WAS WHEN IT WENT FROM THE INFANTILE
STAGE TO A YOUNG ADULT STAGE. >> Stephen: PLEASE WELCOME
BACK TO THE LATE SHOW CHUCK D. (APPLAUSE)
>> I BROUGHT THESE IN MY 19th ANNIVERSARY OF BEING IN
THIS COLD STUDIO. ON THE LETTERMAN SHOW.
>> Stephen: WHAT YEAR WAS THAT.
>> 9 HADDIE-- 94th. >> Stephen: THAT WAS 29th
ANNIVERSARY. >> AT 29, SO HERE I AM WITH YOU.
AND IT SAY PLEASURE. AND SEEING THE HIP-HOP GOD,
MELIE MEL FROM THIS CITY REPRESENTING HIP-HOP, I'M SO
PROUD. FIGHT POT WE ARE.
HIP-HOP HAS CHANGED THE WORLD. >> Stephen: OKAY.
COFOUNDER OF PUBLIC ENEMY. ROCK 'N' ROLL HALL OF FAME.
MUSIC HAS INFLUENCED THOUSANDS OF OTHER ARTISTS, WHO INFLUENCED
YOU. WHO WERE THE PEOPLE WHEN YOU
WERE COMING UP THAT YOU WANTED TO BE?
>> WELL, I COME FROM THE '60S SO JAMES BROWN, SLY FAMILY STONE,
THE BEATLES WHO PLAYED IN THIS BUILDING TOO.
>> Stephen: WOW. >> NINA IS I MONENESS THEY
MR. LIKE AUNTS AND UNCLES, RAP MUSIC AND HIP-HOP CAME ALONG, IN
THE 79Y FOR THE '60S, THIS IS THE 50th YEAR Y'ALL, YOU SO
HAD NELLIE NELL, GRAHAM MAST GRAND MASTER FUNK.
THE HIP-HOP ALLIANCE THAT WE'RE PART OF SO A LOT OF THE FOUNDING
MEMBERS. THE GOLDEN GENERATION, OF THE
'90S. SO I WAS INFLUENCED BY THE CATS
THAT DID IT AND ALSO BECAUSE IT ROSE OUT OF A CONCRETE, LIKE A
ROSE, YOU KNOW, HIP-HOP CAME FROM THIS CITY.
BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY THROWN TO THE SIDEMENT THEY LEFT NEW YORK
FOR DEAD, LITERALLY IT WAS NEW YORK DAILY NEWS.
>> Stephen: DROP DEAD. >> YEAH, SO OUT OF THAT, AFTER
EVERYTHING WAS DISENFRANCHISED HIP-HOP ROSE.
AND THAT IS WHAT WE REDEPICTING IN THE DOCUMENTARY, FIGHT THE
POWER, HOW HIP-HOP CHANGE THE WORLD IT MADE SCHOLARSHIP OUT OF
WATCHING MELIE MEL AND GRAND MASTER CLASS SPEAK TRUTH TO
POWER IN SUCH BEAUTIFUL MUSIC. THE CONVERSATION, STEPHEN, WAS
LIKE AT WHAT POINT DO WE LOOK AT A GEN RE THAT HAS BEEN AROUND 50
YEARS. AT WHAT POINT DO WE CONSIDER
IMPORTANT, GREAT OR NOT GREATER THAN POPULARITY.
BECAUSE IT'S ART. AND ART IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS
THAT CAN'T BE QUANTITYIFIED IT HAS A QUALITY TO IT.
>> Stephen: SO IT CAN'T BE QUANTITYIFIED.
BUT WHAT ARE SOME OF THE CHARACTERISTICS YOU SAY HELP
DEFINE THE BOWPPEDRIES OF HIP-HOP?
>> WELL, THE ELEMENTS KIND OF CLEARLY DO THAT.
EMCEEING. DJING.
GRAFFITI AND BREAK DANCING BUT REALLY THOSE ARE LMENTDS OF
CREATIVITY. OF PEOPLE EMCEEING IS
VOCALIZATION. DJING IS MUSICIANSHIP.
ART CULTURE IS GRAFFITI AND PRETTY MUCH.
AND THEN DANCE CULTURE OUT OF BREAK DANCERS, SO WE'VE ALWAYS
BEEN CREATIVE. THE TERMINOLOGY CAME INTO EFFECT
OUT OF THE PEOPLE MAKING SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING THE, IN
THE 1973 PERIOD, AUGUST 11th LIKE THE BLAST MASTER, HE WOULD
SAY LIKE LISTEN, HE STARTED IN, 15, 20 CEDRIC AVENUE.
AND THIS DOCUMENTARY REALLY GETS INTO SEEING THESE FACES AND
THESE PEOPLE AND CONTRIBUTEDDERS SPEAK FOR THE ART FORM, FOR
THEMSELVES AND SEIZING THE NARRATIVE.
>> Stephen: THE DOCUMENTARY IS FIGHT POT WE ARE.
HOW HIP-HOP CHANGED THE WORLD. >> THE WORLD IS IMPORTANT TOO.
>> Stephen: THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO ASK YOU.
THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT CAME UP.
THIS IS YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD MAKING YOUR
OWN ART, REFLECTING THE WORLD AROUND YOU.
BUT VERY EARLY ON YOU ARE ON TOUR.
YOU ARE OVERSEAS. HOW DID IT CHANGE YOU AND WHAT
DID IT MEAN FOR YOU TO BE TAKING THIS WORK INTERNATIONALLY.
>> WELL, I CONSIDER MYSELF A-- AN EARTHISTON, HAVE I BEEN
TO 116 COUNTRIES,. >> Stephen: AN ERTICIN-W A
CITIZEN OF THE PLANET EARTH. I MEAN AS YOU KNOW, IN YOUR
COMMENTARY, WE'RE ALL WRAPPED IN THIS THING TOGETHER WHETHER
SOMEBODY LIKES IT OR NOT. WHAT SOMEBODY DOES OVER THERE IS
GOING TO AFFECT OVER HERE. WHATEVER SOMEBODY DOES HERE IS
GOING TO AFFECT OVER THERE. BUT THE MUSIC HAS LICENSE TO
TRAVEL AROUND THE WORLD. IT ACTUALLY CONNECT US AS HUMAN
BEINGS. I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE FLIP
LANGUAGES. I HAVE SEEN PEOPLE FLIP
LANGUAGES IN THE MOVEMENT. OF COLLECTIVES OF PEOPLE.
IT GIVES INJUSTICES FROM WHATEVER WAS GOING ON IN THE
PAST, THAT FIGHT THE POWER. AND BEFORE THEN, IT IS BLACK
LIVERS MATTER AND BEING HEY, THIS IS WRONG.
THE CULTURE CONNECTED PEOPLE. THE MUSIC AND THE VIBE.
I THINK WE CAN STARE THE RIGHT WAY.
I'M NOT IN A-W-E OF HIP-HOP LIKE SOMEBODY BORN IN HIP-HOP WOULD
BE. YOU KNOW, I'M 12 YEARS OLDER
THAN HIP-HOP. SO 50 YEARS TO ME SLIEK-- AND
I'M SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, 50 YEARS IS SHORT IN REALTIME BUT
LONG IN CULTURAL TIME. >> I DIDN'T KNOW THIS, YOU WERE
A VISUAL ARTIST. YOU ARE PUBLISHING A BOOK OF
YOUR WORK FROM RECENTLY AND FROM THE BEGINNINGS OF YOUR HIP-HOP
CAREER, WHEN YOU DO FLIER ART FOR OTHER PEOPLE WHO-- TELL ME
ABOUT THIS BOOK, LIVING LOUD. >> WELL NUMBER ONE, RONNIE WOOD
OF THE ROLLING STONES IS MY HERO.
>> OH YEAH. >> AND I'VE SPENT MORE TIME,
HALF MY LIFE IN HOTEL ROOMS. SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS ON
TWITTER IS WHAT TO DO WITH YOUR DOWNTOWN.
EVERYBODY WANTS TO GO TO THE CONCERT, AN HOUR, TWO HOURS,
WHATEVER. THEN YOU HAVE DOWN TIME.
AND I'M NOT GOING TO NAME A CITY THAT YOUR DOWN TIME MIGHT BE A
DIFFERENT DOWN TIME. BUT I WILL TELL YOU YOU,
ESPECIALLY THE LAST TEN YEARS I TURN MY HOTEL ROOM INTO AN ART
STUDIO AND SPEND MY DOWN TIME CREATING ART.
SO THE GREAT JACK HOLZMANN OF ELECTRORECORDS TOLD ME EVERYBODY
GOT ART IN THEM. IT'S THE JOB OF CURATORS AND
CARETAKERS TO GET THE ART OUT OF THEM, YOU KNOW.
AND THAT IS WHY I ALWAYS SAY, I NEVER WALK BY MUSICIANS WITHOUT
ACKNOWLEDGING THIS. IT IS AN INCREDIBLE THING TO GET
ART OUT OF PEOPLE. AND YOU ARE AN ARTIST.
AND I CONSIDER MYSELF A PERSON THAT, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA HAS
ALSO HELPED. ALTHOUGH I'M CREATING SOMETHING
CALLED CULTURAL MEDIA WHICH I THINK IS GREATER THAN SOCIAL
MEDIA. I AM WORK ON AN APPLICATION ON
THAT. BUT I WOULD TELL YOU THAT NOW
YOU CAN DO ART ONLINE AND SOMEBODY COULD SEE IT RIGHT AWAY
AND SAY OH BY THE WAY, I GOT A GALLERY SHOW, YOU WANT TO COME.
YEAH, I WILL BE THERE, MAYBE. BUT NOW ON SOCIAL MEDIA BOOP, I
SEND IT. WOW, HOW CAN I GET THAT ART.
SO FINALLY WE CAME OUT WITH A BOOK AND IT IS A BUNCH OF
DOODLES THAT KIND OF REPRESENT MY 72 YEARS ON EARTH.
>> Stephen: CHUCK, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.
"FIGHT THE POWER: HOW HIP-HOP CHANGED THE WORLD" STARTS
JANUARY 31 ON PBS, AND CHUCK'S BOOK "LIVIN' LOUD" IS AVAILABLE
FEBRUARY 7. CHUCK D, EVERYBODY.
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.