There are many ways to sit here for you.
Some of you come here as investigators. (laughs)
Some of you just as spectators. Some of you as students. Some as disciples. A few
as devotees. These are the different ways you can sit here. Either you're an
investigator or a spectator or a student or a disciple or a devotee
Investigator means you know why he has come
he'll waste his time here because anyway he will not perceive what is happening
here. But somebody may enter the place as an investigator and leave the place as
a devotee. That is always possible. That we have done to lots of people. (laughs) But those
who came otherwise to come in to experience for them they come and do the
first program then they say this is wonderful.
They come to the, when they say, this is it, they will say. When they come to the next program, if they
come to the Bhava spandana they say isha yoga, that's nothing, this is it. They
come to samyama and say what Bhava Spandana- that's no good this is the real
thing.Actually there are many meditators going on like this they come and ask you
you come for volunteering or something you have done Bhava Spandana? No? ok..they are dismissed.
In their in their understanding you're dismissed.
You are no good. You have not experienced Bhavana Spandana you're not yet life. So the
investigator's experience is very different. If you come as a spectator
sometimes you're on sometimes you're off you know. You can
enjoy the meal and go. If you come as a student you want to learn.
It all makes you feel very good when you're here. You go home and you're just
the same. Nothing has changed. A disciple means somebody who is willing to
transform. He wants to transform himself. Transformation means something of the
old I'm willing to give up and I'm willing something new to happen to me.
I want something new to happen to me that's a much better way to be. A devotee
means one who is willing to dissolve himself completely. He's not even
thinking of transformation. He just wants to merge with the whole process. Now the
question is about a disciple. A disciple means somebody who is willing to
transform. Transformation means nothing of the old should be left. Only then this
transformation otherwise it's just a change. Isn't it? Many changes you have
made with your life already, haven't you? Yes? Many times
consciously, many times unconsciously you made many changes. But making these
changes when you make a change it feels good for a while after that it's just
the same old thing. Have you noticed this with any change that we make initially
it feels great two days later it's just one more thing. So that is not what we're
looking for. When we say transformation nothing of the old should remain
something totally new should sprout up within you. If this has to happen what is
needed? See one thing you need to understand the very reason why you're
here is, you are not able to do it yourself.
Yes? Let's understand that. So when you sit here, don't agree with me, don't
disagree with me, just be with me.
Agreeing and disagreeing comes from a certain knowing, isn't it? You hold a
point when I say something you agree with it or you disagree with it,
both of them are of no use. You agreeing with me is no good.
You disagreeing with me is no good. This is an opportunity for you to simply look.
First of all the question of agreeing with me or disagree with me doesn't
arise because I am not propounding any philosophy. I am not making any
statements I am only asking you simple questions. A question is an opportunity
to look. If you agree and disagree with the question itself there is something
wrong with you. isn't it? yes? There's nothing to agree with a
question or disagree with the question question is an opportunity or a tool to
look deeper and deeper. isn't it ? So is it a one-to-one relationship? Yes, it is very
one-to-one. It's more one-to-one than any other relationship. Other relationships
come with other frills. The closest relationship that you hold in your life
you will see if you cut off some frills then that relationship won't work anymore
Things are involved you know. Home, family, money, dress, the kind of
body you have, the kind of sweet things that you say, all these things are
involved. If you cut off any one of them you will see the relationship will go.
Is that so?
Isn't it so?
So they are not one-to-one. Your relationship with your husband, your
children, your mother, your father has a lot of frills attached. Cut the frills
and see. They'll fall apart. This is truly one to one. No frills. Just one to one.
Or just one. (laughs)