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>>> REPUBLICANS ARE SCRAMBLING TO PREPARE THEIR DEFENSE OF
PRESIDENT TRUMP WITH TELEVISED
IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS LESS THAN A
WEEK AWAY.
WEEK AWAY. BUT EVER SINCE HOUSE SPEAKER
NANCY PELOSI ANNOUNCED THE
NORMAL IMPEACH.
NORMAL IMPEACH. INQUIRY REPUBLICANS REPUBLICANS
HAVE SPENT THE PAST MONTH -- IN
A NEW PIECE FROM POLITICO
MAGAZINE TITLED WHO WILL BETRAY
TRUMP TIM ALBERTA EXAMINES
TRUMP’S OBSESSION WITH POSSIBLE
DEFECTORS AND WHETHER ANY OF
THEM WOULD ACTUALLY TURN AGAINST
THEIR OWN PARTY AND PRESIDENT ON
IMPEACHMENT VOTE.
IMPEACHMENT VOTE. VENTING PRIVATELY ABOUT THE
PRESIDENT HAS BECOME A HALLOWED
PASTIME IN REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED
WASHINGTON, A SORT OF
RITUALISTIC RELEASE FOR THOSE
LAWMAKERS ROUTINELY DEFENDING
THE INDEFENSIBLE.
THE INDEFENSIBLE. BUT IT’S ALSO EVIDENCE THAT
BARRING A PLAIN ADMISSION OF
GUILT BY THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF,
THINK JACK NICHOLSON IN A FEW
GOOD MEN, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY
WILL NOT BEFORE FORESAKING TRUMP
JENNIFER, LOOK, YOU ARE AN
OPTIMISTIC FORMER REPUBLICAN
WHEN BELIEVES THAT THEY WILL DO
THIS.
THIS. EARLIER TODAY I SPOKE TO FORMER
GOVERNOR BILL WELD WHO’S RUNNING
AGAINST DONALD TRUMP IN THE
PRIMARIES.
PRIMARIES. HE’S WRITTEN A LETTER TO
SENATORS TO SAY THE PARTY WILL
BE DESTROYED AND YOUR CAREERS
WILL ULTIMATELY BE DESTROYED.
AND THE REPUBLICAN HOLD ON THE
SENATE WILL DISAPPEAR IF YOU
DON’T DO THE RIGHT THING.
DO YOU AGREE WITH ALL OF THOSE
VIEWS?
VIEWS? >> WELL, I AGREE WITH BILL WELD.
I SHARE I THINK THE PESSIMISM OF
TIM ALBERTA THAT REPUBLICANS ARE
GOING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.
I HAD A CONVERSATION THIS WEEK
WITH FORMER DEFENSE SECRETARY
BILL COHEN.
BILL COHEN. AND HE SAYS, LISTEN, THESE
PEOPLE ARE INTIMIDATED BY TRUMP.
THEY’RE FEARFUL OF TRUMP AND TO
SOME EXTENT THEIR COMPLICIT.
THEY LIKE SOME OF THE THINGS
HE’S DOING.
HE’S DOING. AND THEY DON’T HAVE THE MORAL
BACKBONE TO STAND UP TO HIM.
THEY WILL RISK I THINK LOOKING
RIDICULOUS.
RIDICULOUS. THEY WILL RISK THEIR SEATS, AND
I THINK YOU’LL MAYBE HAVE A
HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO WILL DO
THE RIGHT THING.
I THINK MIT RUMT ROMNEY WILL COM
AROUND, PERHAPS SUSAN COLLINS.
BARRING AN ADMISSION OF GUILT
AND TRUMP KEEPS ADMITTING GUILT,
AND THEY STILL DON’T CHANGE.
SO I THINK IT’S UNFORTUNATELY
UNLIKELY THESE PEOPLE WILL RISE
TO THE OCCASION WHICH IS WHY
IT’S IMPORTANT FOR THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE TO VOTE THEM OUT NEXT
NOVEMBER.
NOVEMBER. >> TALK TO ME WHO WE’RE TALKING
ABOUT BECAUSE THESE ARE SENATORS
ACROSS THE NATION.
YOU WORKED FOR JEB BUSH, A MAN
WHO WAS A PRINCIPLED REPUBLICAN,
NOT A GUY WHO WAS IDEOLOGICALLY
INFLEXIBLE BUT HELD TO HIS
CONSERVATIVE ROOTS WHILE AT THE
SAME TIME MANAGING TO HAVE
DISCUSSIONS WITH AND ENACT
LEGISLATION WITH PEOPLE ACROSS
PARTY LINES.
PARTY LINES. WHY ARE THESE UNITED STATES
SENATORS SO DIFFERENT?
SOME OF THEM ARE SERVED IN
STATEHOUSES.
STATEHOUSES. SOME OF THEM HAVE HAD OCCASION
TO HAVE DEBATES WITH PEOPLE WHO
DON’T SHARE THEIR VIEWS.
WHY IS THIS THE HILL THEY WANT
TO DIE ON?
>> ALI, I WISH I HAD THE ANSWER
TO THAT.
TO THAT. I’VE EXPERIENCED DISAPPOINTMENT
AFTER DISAPPOINTMENT WITH A LOT
OF FOLKS I USED TO ADMIRE WHO
ARE IN THE SENATE AND HOUSE IN
MY PARTY.
MY PARTY. AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE A
WARNING TO YOUR VIEWERS THAT THE
ALBERTA ARTICLE JUST DROVE ME
INTO A BLIND RANGE WHEN I I WAS
READING ITCH AM THERE ARE A
HANDFUL OF FOLKS EITHER RETIRING
OR WHO HAVE MAINTAINED THEIR
INTEGRITY.
INTEGRITY. YOU KNOW, THE MAIN THING THAT
UPSET ME ABOUT THIS ARTICLE IS
THERE’S A CONGRESSMAN FROM
FLORIDA NAMED FRANCIS ROONEY,
HE’S THE AMBASSADOR TO THE
VATICAN.
VATICAN. SO HE’S FAMILIAR HOW DIPLOMACY
SOMEBODY WORK, RIGHT?
HE’S BEEN A LOYAL ALLY OF TRUMP,
TOO LOYAL FOR MY TASTE.
ALL THE WAY UP UNTIL THIS
UKRAINE INCIDENT.
UKRAINE INCIDENT. AND BASICALLY WHAT HE SAID, HE
CAME OUT AND SAID LOOK, THE
FACTS DO NOT LOOK GOOD.
AND A LOT OF HIS COLLEAGUES
AGREE WITH HIM PRIVATELY AND
STILL HAVE TARGETED HIM AND
STILL HAVE PRESSURED HIM INTO
RETIREMENT OUT OF A LOYALTY TO
THE PRESIDENT.
THE PRESIDENT. THESE PEOPLE HAVE DECIDED
THEY’RE GOING TO LAY THEIR BET
ON SHORT-TERM POLITICAL GAIN
BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT THEIR VOTERS
WANT THEM TO DO.
NONE OF THEM HAVE THE COURAGE OR
INTEGRITY OR WILLINGNESS TO STEP
OUT AGAINST THE PRESIDENT AND
TAKE THEIR CHANCE WITH THE
VOTERS NEXT YEAR, AND I AGREE
WITH JENNIFER I’LL OUTFLANK HER
ON PESSIMISM.
ON PESSIMISM. >> I’M GOING TO READ FROM TIM’S
ARTICLE WHAT REPRESENTATIVE
FRANCIS ROONEY OF FLORIDA SAID.
HE SAYS THE QUESTION IS IS THAT
ENOUGH OF AN ABUSE OF POWER TO
REMOVE THE PRESIDENT FROM
OFFICE?
OFFICE? I DON’T KNOW.
I NEED TO THINK ABOUT THAT A LOT
MORE.
MORE. I HAVEN’T MADE UP MY MIND.
I’VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT
MYSELF IN THE MIRROR AND GOT TO
BE ABLE TO LOOK AT MY KIDS AND
MY FRIENDS AND FAMILY AND KNOW
THAT WHAT I DID WAS RIGHT.
SO HE’S BEING THOUGHTFUL ABOUT
IT.
IT. BUT MAYBE I MADE A MISTAKE,
JENNIFER, A MOMENT AGO BECAUSE I
SAID WHY IS THIS THE HILL THEY
WANT TO DIE ON?
CLEARLY MANY OF THESE REPUBLICAN
SENATORS AND MANY IN THE HOUSE
OF REPRESENTATIVES DON’T THINK
THEY’RE DYING ON ANY HILL.
>> RIGHT, THEY THINK THIS THE
ONLY WAY THEY SURVIVE.
THEY’RE AFRAID ON ONE HAND FROM
A PRIMARY CHALLENGE IF THEY
BREAK WITH THE PRESIDENT OR EVEN
IF THEY DON’T HAVE A PRIMARY
CHALLENGE, THEY’RE AFRAID THE
REPUBLICANS WON’T TURN AND OUT
AND THEY’LL BE BEATEN IN A
GENERAL ELECTION.
GENERAL ELECTION. AND THESE PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE I
GUESS THE IMAGINATION OR PERHAPS
THE AMBITION TO DO SOMETHING
ELSE IN LIFE.
FOR THEM BEING IN THE UNITED
STATES SENATE APPARENTLY IS
ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THEY’VE
ALWAYS WANTED.
ALWAYS WANTED. SO THEY WILL DO ANYTHING TO KEEP
THESE SEATS.
THESE SEATS. YOU THINK THESE PEOPLE --
>> IT’S NOT THAT GREAT OF A JOB.
I DON’T GET THAT.
YOU’RE IN THE MINORITY.
>> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY. >> WHY NOT BE THE PERSON THAT,
YOU KNOW, MAYBE HAS A HISTORIC
SEPARATION FROM THIS PRESIDENT?
I THINK THERE’S A HUGE
OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEBODY.
IT’S A MYSTERY.
>> LET’S GO DOWN THAT ROAD FOR A
SECOND.
SECOND. I THINK I’VE GOT A CHANCE TO
JUST ASK YOU THIS QUESTION,
JENNIFER.
JENNIFER. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE?
WHAT IF YOU ARE THAT GROUP OF
PEOPLE?
PEOPLE? WE’VE GOT A COUPLE OF THEM
RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
TWO OF THE THREE PEOPLE RUNNING
AGAINST DONALD TRUMP HAVE NEVER
REALLY FOUND MUCH NEED TO
SEPARATE FROM THEM.
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE?
DO YOU BUILD ANOTHER REPUBLICAN
PARTY?
PARTY? DO YOU CALL IT SOMETHING ELSE?
DO YOU PEEL OFF OR JUST HOPE
ENOUGH OF HAD REMNANTS OF THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY SURVIVES SO
THAT CONSERVATIVES IN THIS
COUNTRY CAN HAVE A POLITICAL
HOME AFTER DONALD TRUMP?
>> WELL, ACTUALLY I HOPE NONE OF
THIS PARTY SURVIVES.
I HOPE ALL OF THEM LOSE BADLY.
I THINK IF YOU HAVE A
DEVASTATION, IF YOU HAVE A
COMPLETE WIPEOUT, THERE’S A HOPE
THAT THE TIM MILLERS OF THE
WORLD WILL TAKE CONTROL.
THEY’LL HAVE A PARTY OR AT LEAST
OF A SHELL OF A PARTY TO
OPERATE, AND THEY CAN BRING IN
NEW BLOOD, NEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE
NOT GONE ALONG WITH THIS
ABSOLUTE FARCE AND TRY TO CREATE
SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A
RESPONSIBLE SENATE RIGHT PARTY.
WE NEED TWO PARTIES IN THIS
COUNTRY, BUT RIGHT NOW WE ONLY
HAVE ONE THAT’S FUNCTIONAL AND
PERHAPS A LITTLE TOO
SELF-DESTRUCTIVE, AND THE OTHER
IS COMPLETELY AMORAL AND