BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THEY ARE
STILL PUSHING THE MUELLER
REPORT.
GET TO THAT SHORTLY.
BUT FIRST, REPUBLICANS FIRED UP
ABOUT THE FACT THAT MOST OF THE
EARLY WITNESSES LACK FIRST-HAND
KNOWLEDGE, LEAVING SEVERAL OF
THEM TO LIE ON ASSUMPTION,
PRESUMPTION, AND SPECULATION.
>> MY ASSUMPTION IS HE DID IT IN
A CLOSED-DOOR SPECULATION.
IT WAS A PRESUMPTION.
SO PRESSURE WAS BROUGHT TO BEAR
ON THEM, CORRECT?
>> I BELIEVE SO.
>> THEY ARE A NUMBER OF EVENTS
YOU ARE INVESTIGATING THAT I
CANNOT BRING FIRST-HAND
KNOWLEDGE.
THESE INCLUDE PRESIDENT TRUMP'S
JULY 25TH 20 TIGHTENING
202019 CALL WITHPRESIDENT ZELENS
202019 CALL WITHPRESIDENT ZELENY
202019 CALL WITHPRESIDENT ZELEN.
>> MY FIRST DAD WROTE A NEW
OP-ED SAYING "ALLEGED BAD
THOUGHTS" ARE NOT CRIMES,
OUTSIDE OF GEORGE ORWELL'S
DYSTOPIAN NOVEL "1984."
IT'S VICTOR DAVID HANSON, JOINS
ME NOW.
GOOD TO SEE YOU.
>> GOOD TO SEE YOU, ED.
>> Ed: YOU MAKE THE CASE THAT
DEMOCRATS HAVE TO COME UP WITH
SOMETHING BETTER THAN "A THOUGHT
CRIME."
WHAT DO YOU MEAN ABOUT THAT?
>> IS NOT AGAINST THE LAW, AT
LEAST IT WASN'T UNDER THE
U.S. CONSTITUTION TO THINK
SOMETHING.
IF I WANT TO THINK ABOUT
SPEEDING AT 80 MILES PER HOUR
AND I TALK ABOUT THINKING ABOUT
IT BUT I ACTUALLY DON'T, I'M NOT
GUILTY OF ANYTHING OTHER THAN
HARBORING A BAD THOUGHTS.
TRUMP MAY OR MAY NOT, WE DON'T
REALLY KNOW, THERE IS EVIDENCE
SUGGESTING HE DIDN'T COME OUT
DELAYING AID AND EIGHT WAS
DELAYED, BUT IT WASN'T CAUGHT
OFF.
THAT'S NOT A CRIME.
THERE WAS A
HE DIDN'T FORCE THEBUYERS OF ANY
HE DIDN'T FORCE THEBUYERS OF ANO
HE DIDN'T FORCE THEBUYERS OF ANY
HE DIDN'T FORCE THEBUYERS OF ANI
HE DIDN'T FORCE THEBUYERS OF ANN
HE DIDN'T FORCE THEBUYERS OF ANU
HE DIDN'T FORCE THEBUYERS OF ANR
HE DIDN'T FORCE THEBUYERS OF ANI
HE DIDN'T FORCE THEBUYERS OF ANE
HE DIDN'T FORCE THEBUYERS OF AN,
DIDN'T INTERFERE IN THE SANDS
HE DIDN'T DOANYTHING LIKE IT DID
HE DIDN'T DOANYTHING LIKE IT DI'
HE DIDN'T DOANYTHING LIKE IT DIT
HE DIDN'T DOANYTHING LIKE IT DIR
HE DIDN'T DOANYTHING LIKE IT DIA
HE DIDN'T DOANYTHING LIKE IT DIL
HE DIDN'T DOANYTHING LIKE IT DIY
COLLUDE WITH THE RUSSIANS.
>> Ed: ON THE FIRST POINT,
WHETHER THERE IS A THOUGHT OR
NOT, WHEN YOU HAVE OMB BEING
COUNTERS, THEY WERE GOING AROUND
DEBATING BEYOND EMAILS OUT OF
THE TESTIMONY, SAYING IS THIS
LEGAL TO HOLD IT UP, IT WASN'T
JUST A THOUGHT.
IT MAY HAVE ONLY BEEN DAYS ARE A
COUPLE OF WEEKS, BUT THE AIDE
WAS HELD UP.
>> IS NOT AGAINST THE LAW TO
HOLD UP AID.
EVERY ADMINISTRATION HAS THE
RIGHT TO EXAMINE, CROSS-EXAMINE,
DOUBLETHINK ABOUT THE AID FOR A
COUPLE OF REASONS.
MAYBE THEY THOUGHT IT WAS
CORRUPT.
THEY SAID UKRAINE COULD BE
TRUSTED UNTIL THEY HAD
VERIFICATION THE NEW PRESIDENT
WAS RELIABLE.
MAYBE THEY THOUGHT DONALD TRUMP
WAS TOO SENSITIVE ABOUT GETTING
AID TO ANYBODY.
THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT REASONS TO
DELAY OR INTERRUPT, BUT THE
BOTTOM LINE IS HE DIDN'T CUT IT
IN THE END.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO CONVICT
PEOPLE OF THOUGHT CRIMES WERE
CONSIDERING CUTTING, WHAT WOULD
YOU DO IF YOU SAID, WELL,
BARACK OBAMA NEVER GAVE THEM
LEGAL AID AND A LOT OF PEOPLE
DIED BECAUSE OF THAT?
BUT WE AREN'T IMPEACHING
BARACK OBAMA FOR THAT.
THAT'S HIS PREROGATIVE AS A
PRESIDENT TO SAY I'M NOT GOING
TO GIVE ANY LEGAL AID TO THE
UKRAINIANS.
I DON'T CARE ABOUT GIVING THEM
LETHAL AID.
REPUBLICANS IT AND SAY WE ARE
IMPEACHING THE PRESIDENT, DIDN'T
GIVE HIM LETHAL AID.
>> Ed: TO YOUR POINT WHAT
ABOUT THE FACT THAT JERRY NADLER
WHO IS GOING TO TAKE OVER FOR
ADAM SCHIFF BECAUSE IT'S GOT
OVER TO THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE
SAYS IN HIS LETTER TO THE
PRESIDENT, BY THE WAY, WE ARE
STILL LOOKING AT ALLEGED
OBSTRUCTION IN THE MUELLER
REPORT AND THAT COULD BE AN
ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT?
I THOUGHT WE ALREADY DEALT WITH
THAT.
>> WE DID.
THE ONLY FOUND THERE WAS NO
COLLUSION, ROBERT MUELLER SAID
THAT THERE WAS NO ACTIONABLE
EVIDENCE THAT WOULD LEAD TO AN
INDICTMENT FOR THE PRESIDENT AND
WHEN HE WAS QUERIED ON THAT,
THAT WAS NOT BECAUSE HE WAS THE
PRESIDENT.
IF HE HAD BEEN ANYBODY ELSE, HE
WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN INDICTED
BECAUSE THERE WASN'T THE
EVIDENCE.
WHAT IS THE SUBTEXT OF ALL OF
THIS?
THERE IS NO NEW WITNESS IS FOR
THERE IS NO DOCUMENTARIAN
EVIDENCE.
THERE IS NO SPECIAL COUNSEL.
THERE IS NO LEON JAWORSKI,
THERE'S NO KEN STARR REPORT.
UNLESS THEY CAN BRING IN A
MARQUEE WITNESS LIKE JOHN BOLTON
WHO HAS NEW INFORMATION OF
DIRECT TESTIMONY IN CONVERSATION
WITH THE PRESIDENT, THERE IS
NOTHING.
THEY KNOW IT.
THERE IS AN IRONY HERE, BECAUSE
WE WERE TOLD THAT NOTHING HAD
BEEN HARMED OR IMPERILED THE
AMERICAN ELECTORAL PROCESS LIKE
COLLUSION WITH THE RUSSIANS, AND
BARACK OBAMA AS HE WAS EXITING
OFFICE SAID TO DONALD TRUMP,
QUIT WHINING ABOUT THE ELECTION
ELECTIONS.
THAT COMPLAINT IMPERILS THE
AMERICAN CONSTITUTIONAL PROCESS.
WHAT HAVE WE HEARD SINCE THEN?
WE'VE HAD HILLARY CLINTON
QUESTION THE INTEGRITY,
NANCY PELOSI GOT A FUND-RAISER
QUESTIONING THE INTEGRITY OF
2020.
AL GREEN, CONGRESSMAN, AOC, AND
CONGRESSWOMAN HAVE BOTH SAID
WITHOUT IMPEACHMENT,
DONALD TRUMP WILL BE ELECTED.
THAT'S NOT A GOOD THING AND
THERE
IN THEIR VIEW.
WE ARE NOT A BRITISH PARLIAMENT
TERRY GOVERNMENT.
YOU DO NOT USE IMPEACHMENT TO
PRECLUDE OR PREEMPT A NEW
ELECTION.
IT'S DONE MORE HARM TO THE
INTEGRITY OF THE AMERICAN
ELECTORAL PROCESS IN ANY ACCESS
OF RUSSIAN COLLUSION.
>> Ed: THE LAST QUESTION, TO
LIVE
ARE THEY JUST TRYING TO STOP
THEM AT ALL COSTS?
LOOK AT THIS FROM FAREED
ZAKARIA.
THEY SAY, PEOPLE OFTEN ASK
THEMSELVES WHAT THE FOUNDERS
WITH THINK OF AMERICA TODAY.
THE GREATER SHOCK TO THEM WOULD
BE THE INCREDIBLE GROWTH OF
PRESIDENTIAL POWER, TENSIONS OF
PROFOUND DEMOCRATIC CHANGE FROM
A FIERCE POLITICAL BACKLASH, AND
THE PRESIDENCY THAT REFUSES TO
BE CHECKED.
MY OPTIMISM IS WEARING THIN.
WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT
THOUGHT OUT THERE ON THE LEFT
THAT YOU SHOULDN'T BE OPTIMISTIC
ABOUT THE FUTURE OF AMERICA?
>> THEY APPARENTLY AREN'T
OPTIMISTIC BECAUSE THEY TRY TO
USE A LOT OF EXTRACONSTITUTIONAL
MEANS TO CHANGE THE NATURE OF
THE REPUBLIC.
THE ONLY THE EMOLUMENTS CLAUSE
EFFORT, VOTING MACHINES, 20 FOR
THE AMENDMENT, MUELLER,
CHALLENGING THE ELECTORAL
COLLEGE, SIX OF THE 14 CHALLENGE
COLLEGE, SIX OF THE 14 CHALLENGS
WANT TO PACK THE SUPREME COURT.
THERE IS A FEELER MOOD IN THE
COUNTRY THAT THE DEMOCRATIC
AGENDA, THE PROGRESSIVE AGENDA,
DOESN'T APPEAL TO 51% OF THE
VOTERS.
THEY DO NOT WANT REPARATIONS,
THEY DO NOT WANT THE GREEN DEAL,
THEY DO NOT WANT MEDICARE FOR
ALL.
IN LIEU OF A CONVINCING MESSAGE
AND CONVINCING MESSAGE IS, THEY
ARE ATTACKING THE PROCESS AND
SAYING DONALD TRUMP CANNOT BE
PRESIDENT, WE WILL DO THIS AND
THIS AND THIS TO STOP IT BUT ALL
THEY HAVE TO DO IS HE'S ELECTED
PRESIDENT, HE IS OUR COMMANDER
IN CHIEF.
WE AREN'T GOING TO USE TERMS
LIKE THE RESISTANCE BUT WE ARE
IN THE OPPOSITION AND WE HAVE A
COUNTER AGENDA, HERE IT IS.
LET THE VOTERS DECIDE IN LESS
THAN A YEAR.
THEY LOST CONFIDENCE IN THE