- The demo that we made,
before going and working with Ariel,
our arrangement and like structure of the song,
like the order that all the parts were in,
was completely different.
And like, we took that whole coming in and out of,
like, one of us singing at a time,
we took that like even further in the demo.
- Ariel pointed out, he was like,
"Well, narratively, this is just like confusing.
Like, I don't know, like what-"
- Yeah, Like what perspective am I paying attention to?
- yeah
- Like, it doesn't make sense.
- So like it should be centered around
like one kind of main vocal
and then we can all just sort of play around
with harmonies and vocals and whatnot, so.
I bet if we heard that demo now,
it'd be like really confusing.
- Yeah Would be like- - There was no chorus.
There was like no chorus.
- There was no chorus, yeah.
- It doesn't sound like a song
- It wasn't a song. - It wasn't a song.
- Yeah.
- The first day I Don't Want to Talk
was being born,
basically we went just to this studio
and we basically, the first idea, we just said, like,
"Let's just play something, first idea."
So then I just picked up a guitar and just did the riff,
like the *guitar sounds*, whatever
I remember after that was, was down,
we each just got a microphone
and just started singing melodies.
And then that kind of sat around for like a year and a half,
I would say even more because
we just kind of forgot about it,
you know, and you know, one day, you know,
sipping on some coffee and, you know, things get brought up.
What about that old song called G and then C?
Cause the chords are G and then C we're very, you know,
that's how we named songs.
We brought that back around for the album,
showed it to Ariel, show it to the label,
you know, management, everyone
that it's a good song and we're like,
okay, whatever.
So we'll try to work on it.
And then we basically worked on it.
[Laughs]
- Yeah, We, we made the song by
making the song essentially.
- Yeah
That's like, that's kinda how that happened.
That's kinda all that.
- I mean, the opening line was sort of,
it really was just to set the scene
and sort of set up the song lyrically.
Like, you know, that line means,
you know, my significant other,
this person's significant other, they,
they left somewhere for awhile
and it almost feels like that
first time that you have separation from someone
that you care about,
or that is sort of like your rock or your anchor,
it sort of puts into perspective.
How much of like a, yeah,
like an emotional and mental anchor
that they are for you.
It makes you realize a lot about yourself
when that person is away.
And that's sort of what the whole song is about,
but also like that was the point of setting the scene
for the first verse,
- So the realize the older I get,
I get more insecure if I don't have you by my side.
And it can't be sure that
I feel like that's sort of is in
line with the line that comes before it.
And in which when this person
that you care about so much is
away from you for so long, for the first time
that person gives you confidence
and you don't realize that, until they're gone.
And then you realize, oh,
I'm not. I feel like I've actually
become less of a confident person.
And I'm sort of
relying on this person for my confidence.
Cause I do feel so confident with them,
for me. Like I feel like as I have gotten older,
I have sort of become more insecure
and more unsure of certain things about myself.
Like I feel like when I was, or when we were 13,
I really grew up like our most confident
- were such little assholes
[They All Laugh]
- How do you say we were assholes,
really like what do you mean
- I just think it's stages. I think when you're,
I hope it's stages
just cause that when you're so young,
there's a, there's a point where like,
you don't care about anything.
You're super naive
worlds out of everything's chill.
You just, you know, do whatever you gotta do,
you know, watch TV, whatever you gotta do.
And then you get to a point where you're like,
self-realization comes into play,
which everyone knows it's the human experience.
And then, and then basically I'm looking forward
to the day where I'm like 70 years old
and just like back to, back to the
beginning, you know what I mean?
And I don't care about anything.
Let's go let's, you know,
so that's gonna be fun.
- I think it's hard for me or anyone
to really know what it is that you need
when you're not feeling all right.
I feel like that's a really hard thing to find.
And I think that
from the narrative standpoint of the song,
it's sort of, it's basically implying.
It's just going to be easier on me.
If we just don't talk about this
and I'm just going to sit
and, and torture myself over this,
I would rather not face the problem
or I don't want to cause
problems because it feels like
I'm just being a pot stirrer or something
because the song really is about feeling insecure
and feeling like this other person's head
is going to be turned while they're away.
And so it's basically saying like, well,
I don't want to seem like anything's a problem.
Cause I don't want to be a burden.
I don't want to be this,
this person that is the burden in your life
while you're away.
I want to let you have your fun and do your thing.
And I don't, I don't want to be a problem for you.
I don't want to make a problem out of nothing.
Cause it's probably nothing.
Even though I'm making it something.
- Yeah. The first line of this verse
isn't necessarily completely literal.
Like I'm not,
there's no exact situation in which I'm talking about.
And it's, it's more of a general
standpoint of feeling intimidated by
a person that's around my girlfriend and,
and sort of, or this other person in the song and,
and feeling like they have better style than you.
They, they look cooler than you,
They're more exciting than you
and feeling like that's going
to be a thing that turns this person's head.
And so I did just want to create a visual though,
like a leopard pattern coat. Like it's just such a,
it just puts an image in your head right away.
And I was like, and it seems, well,
it was like ♪ leopard pattern coat that you wish ♪ , like,
I felt like just saying well, and,
and was rhythmic.
- I feel like the Leopard pattern coat
sort of represents like someone who's not you
like the threat to your relationship,
but is also someone who is like
confident enough to wear
like a leopard pattern coat,
you know? Cause that
- I almost wore mine today.
- There you go.
- Braeden's the threat.
this one I knew I was going to sing the bridge
because we just agreed upon that.
And I just, you know,
- we negotiated it,
- We negotiate it, you know,
we got there, you know, 60/40
Dylan was just kind of really,
you know, being spot on with the lyrics.
You know, like as you know,
hearing all these lyrics, so I was just like,
I don't really want to attempt to write a bridge.
You know, like I was like Dylan,
just keep doing your thing.
So then he just presented these lines to me
and I loved them.
I was like, this is sick.
I mean, I love like the constant different words.
Like, I mean, I guess that's how songs work.
[Laughing Loudly]
- That is something about our writing process.
I feel like most of the time,
95% of the time we write melodies,
like very specific melodies before lyrics,
which can really create a difficult writing process.
Cause sometimes songs
don't come to fruition for a long time,
purely because we can't fit lyrics to the melodies
in ways that we feel like suit the song best
a lot of the time.
And that was something that was,
I feel like going to be a challenge
going into writing this song,
but actually it just kind of,
once I found what I wanted to write about
and it was honest,
it just sort of all fell into place
like surprisingly quickly.
It was an interesting thing
to fill in the gaps of such a specific,
fast melody that is sort of
the rhythm of this section.
Now that the drums,
the drums kind of like dropout.
- I think in those moments of
insecurity in a relationship,
the insecurity is inside you.
So then it can manifest in these ways of jealousy
and arguments. And so then yeah,
like being self-aware enough to be like,
you know what, I'm just going to like,
absolutely bottle this up because
I know that it's an issue
within me. It's not you.
So I just have to be the one to like
go through it and acknowledging that issue
or that insecurity doesn't
necessarily mean that like,
it's just going to go away.
So it's like, I don't want to talk,
but like I'm still going to be feeling this.