>>> NEW POPULATION COUNTS FROM
THE 2020 CENSUS COULD UP END THE
UNUSUAL BALANCE OF POWER IN
NATIONAL POLITICS BUT A SMART
BIT OF NEWS ANALYSIS THIS WEEK
FROM "THE NEW YORK TIMES"
CORRESPONDENT ARGUES THAT
INCREASING VOTER DIVERSITY MIGHT
NOT BE AS MUCH OF A HELP TO
DEMOCRATS OR EVEN A THREAT TO
REPUBLICANS AS EITHER SIDE
THOUGHT.
JOINING ME TO BREAK THIS DOWN IS
FERNAND AMANDI.
VERY HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE.
I HAVE SO MANY QUESTIONS ABOUT
THIS.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
I FOUND MOST STRIKING IS THAT
THE VOTING ELECTORATE GOT MORE
DIVERSE.
VOTERS OF COLOR INCREASED.
WHITE VOTERS WHO TYPICALLY VOTE
REPUBLICAN DECREASED YET THAT
DOESNT HELP DEMOCRATS.
WHY?
>> WELL, TIFFANY, IN A NUTSHELL,
ALTHOUGH THE DEMOCRATS CONTINUE
TO WIN, THE NON-BLACK, NON-WHITE
VOTE BY SIGNIFICANT MARGINS,
WERE TALKING ABOUT HISPANIC
VOTERS, ASIAN-AMERICAN VOTERS
AND OTHERS, THEYRE NOT QUITE AT
THE OVERWHELMING MARGINS THAT
THEY NEED TO DO SO TO WIN
STATES, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE TEXAS,
LIKE FLORIDA.
SO I THINK THAT IS WHAT IS
CONTRIBUTING.
THE REPUBLICANS AS INEXPLICABLE
AS IT MAY SOMETIMES THINK GIVEN
THAT THEY ARE THE
ANTI-IMMIGRANT, THE MOST
XENOPHOBIC OF AMERICAN PARTIES
THAT WE SEE TODAY, THEY STILL
ARE DOING A DECENT JOB MANAGING
THE MARGINS OF THESE ELECTORATES
IN SOME OF THESE KEY
BATTLEGROUND STATES.
>> RIGHT.
>> THAT FACTOR COUPLED WITH ALSO
WE DONT OFTEN NECESSARILY SEE
THOSE COMMUNITIES OF COLOR,
THOSE VOTERS FROM THE DIVERSE
BACKGROUNDS NECESSARILY VOTING
AT THE TURNOUT PERCENTAGE THAT
THEY NEED TO.
THAT IS WHATS LEADING TO THIS
PHENOMENON.
>> WELL, I WANT YOU TO TAKE A
LISTEN BECAUSE THE PEOPLE TO THE
RIGHT OF US HAVE BEEN WARNING
ABOUT THIS WHITE REPLACEMENT
THEORY.
TAKE A LISTEN TO THE WARNINGS.
>> NOW I KNOW THAT THE LEFT AND
ALL OF THE GATE KEEPERS ON
TWITTER BECOME LITERALLY
HYSTERICAL IF YOU USE THE TERM
REPLACEMENT IF YOU SUGGEST THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS TRYING TO
REPLACE THE CURRENT ELECTOR
RATE, THE VOTERS NOW CASTING
BALLOTS, WITH NEW PEOPLE, MORE
OBEDIENT VOTERS FROM THE THIRD
WORLD.
THEY BECOME HYSTERICAL, THATS
WHATS HAPPENING.
LETS JUST SAY IT, THATS TRUE.
>> LETS JUST SAY IT.
TUCKER IS CRAZY.
HES OBVIOUSLY WRONG.
FERNAND, WHATS YOUR RESPONSE TO
THAT?
>> LET ME WIPE THE STINK OFF OF
THAT.
THAT RACIST TALK IS STINKING IT
UP HERE.
>> INSANITY.
ITS INSANITY.
HONESTLY, WHATS YOUR RESPONSE?
LOOK, I MEAN, I THINK SOMETHING
I FOUND REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT
THIS IS YOU DO NEED WHITE VOTERS
TO WIN AND I THINK THERE ARE SO
MANY PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY
DISENFRANCHISED WHITE VOTERS
WHOSE INTERESTS ALIGN BUT THERE
ARE SOME WHITE VOTERS WHO TO
STILL VOTE AGAINST THEIR OWN
SELF-INTERESTS.
AS A POLLSTER HOW DO YOU ADDRESS
THESE THINGS.
HOW DO YOU APPEAL TO ONE BASE
WHILE NOT ALIENATING ANOTHER?
>> WELL, TIFFANY, FIRST LETS
LOOK AT THE FACTS AND JUST TALK
ABOUT WHY TUCKUMS IS 100% WRONG.
IF JOE BIDEN HAD NOT IMPROVED
HIS PERFORMANCE WITH WHITE
VOTERS IN 2020 VERSUS WHAT
HILLARY CLINTON DID, HE WOULD
NOT BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES TODAY.
DEMOCRACY -- AMERICAN DEMOCRACY
WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN SAVED.
SO I THINK YOU LAID IT OUT
CORRECTLY.
THE DEMOCRATS, IF THEY WANT TO
MAXIMIZE THEIR ADVANTAGE ON
ISSUES AND AT THE BALLOT BOX,
THEY HAVE TO STOP THIS IDEA OF
CHOOSING BETWEEN ONE SET OF
VOTERS AND THE OTHER.
THE BEST DEMOCRATIC MESSAGE IS
ONE THAT APPEALS TO THE
ELECTORATE AT LARGE.
NOW THAT DOESNT NECESSARILY
ALSO MEAN IT NEEDS TO BE A
SIMILAR MESSAGE.
WE KNOW THAT SOME COMMUNITIES
RESPOND TO SOME ISSUES OVER
OTHERS BUT, AGAIN, WE NEED TO
SEE MORE DEMOCRATIC ENGAGEMENTS,
YES, WITH WHITE VOTERS BUT ALSO
WITH HISPANIC VOTERS,
AFRICAN-AMERICAN VOTERS, ASIAN
VOTERS ACROSS THE SPECTRUM AND
IF THEY START DOING THOSE
THINGS, I THINK THEY CAN BE
SUCCESSFUL.
WHAT ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF THIS?
STATES LIKE CALIFORNIA.
A LOT OF PEOPLE FORGET BECAUSE
IT SEEMS LIKE ANCIENT HISTORY,
WASNT THAT LONG AGO, IN THE
70s, IN THE 80s, EVEN IN THE
EARLY 90s CALIFORNIA WAS A
PURPLE STATE.
IT WAS ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER
BUT WE SAW INCREASING DIVERSITY
WITH HISPANIC VOTERS, ASIAN
VOTERS, AFRICAN-AMERICAN
ELECTORATE PLUS WHITE VOTERS
SHIFTING THEIR ALLEGIANCE, MADE
IT THE STRONGEST OF THE BLUE
STATES.
AND I THINK YOURE STARTING TO
SEE THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT
PHENOMENON TAKE PLACE IN NEW
STATES.
WE SAW IN ARIZONA THIS LAST
CYCLE.
GEORGIA, OF COURSE, THE SAME
PHENOMENON.
I THINK IF THE DEMOCRATS THINK
OF THIS IDEA, NOT CHOOSING BUT
ENGAGING IN THE ELECTORATE, THEY
COULD MOVE ALONG ON THE SUBJECT.
>> THATS A REALLY GOOD POINT.
I THINK THIS IS WHY WERE SEEING
SO MANY VOTER SUPPRESSION BILLS
COME IN, BECAUSE CALIFORNIA WAS
A MICROCOSM AND CAST A WIDE NET