Is it not true that many, many years ago you and Michael Jackson used to go out?
Yes, that's true.
People don't believe he ever had a black girlfriend.
I was his only little chocolate drop.
Not even Michael Jackson? michael Jackson.
I used to date Michael Jackson, but we were young.
But that was back in the 70s and 80s when
people didn't kiss and tell, you know, you didn't kiss.
Now everybody tells everything that back then we we dated
for a while.
This was during the time of what he was doing, The Wiz movie.
And before that, I knew Michael before that because he used to come to the show
all the time and hang out backstage with me when Michael was really, really shy.
But I was aggressive. Oh, girl.
You know, at that time I was, what, 15, 16 years old?
Every girl in America wanted to be Mrs. Michael Jackson.
And I just knew that I was going to be Mrs.
Michael Jackson.
Actually we used to share the same bed, when he was shooting The Wiz movie,
you know, you couldn't you couldn't have told me I was going to be Mrs. Michael Jackson
And we spent a lot a lot of time with him, especially when he came back when he would
come to the show almost every day and sit back and watch.
And I got a chance to go to that set
He was we were The Wiz and we lived on Sutton
And we what we you know, he stayed on Sutton place.
And I used to stay there and go with him to the film.
I have to do my laundry because I used
to spend the night over there and I used to do his laundry.
This is the first time that I've ever told
anybody that he lived in Sutton Place and he was filming the the movie.
And I used to go over spend the night
and I would do his laundry and he would go down to the laundry together.
So Michael is not what they all.
He's very he's very real and he's very
and I've never spoke about that, but he's very just a regular kind of guy.
We would do laundry together. I did.
I did his laundry. Yes, I sure did.
When he had his place on Sutton place,
I would spend the night and I would do his laundry.
And I even cooked for him, too, even though I couldn't cook.
But I cooked. And you know what?
Even as bad as it was, Michael was such a gentleman.
He still he ate it and Andy Warhol took us out to dinner and did an interview.
In fact, it's in Andy Warhol's book.
He took me to the set with him.
You know, he took me to the set early morning.
did he take you to the set. Yes, it was early.
Yeah. Yeah.
You was washing clothes? I was washing his clothes, And then you cooked? and then I cooked
Now that sounds like an overnight visit
did you go to never neverland?
Yes.
Well, you know, say yes, I will say this, I did spent a lot of time and I did spend
the night, I did spend the night, I just enjoyed the ride.
I was enjoying it.
And I was in love with Michael and I was having a great time.
So I didn't care. Early mornings with Michael.
having a great time.
It's just one I had to ask, like,
I feel kind of weird asking it. Did you guys ever have sex?
No, we never had sex.
I never had sex with Michael.
You know what I want to say?
Michael is very much a man.
And he's very he was very loving, very caring.
And he was not soft, people thought he was soft.
He was not soft. Michael was a great kisser.
I kissed him. He's a great kisser.
He's very, very affectionate.
And I was really in love.
I just knew I was going to be Mrs. Michael Jackson.
I thought I was going to marry Michael.
But, you know, I'm a little too dark.
I really was. I thought I was going to marry Michael.
I was so in love with Michael Jackson, I think every black girl and every white girl
in America was in love with the Jackson five.
Why did you break up?
Well, because I wanted to get married and he wasn't ready to get married and
he wanted to experience other things, as we know.
So that's why we broke up.
Why did you break up to just stop?
Because I wasn't I didn't want to go to certain people's houses for dinner or
I didn't want to do that.
White people he started hanging around. Yes.
Yes. I didn't wanna, I didn't want to do that.
They don't season take chicken?
Well, you just could probably see the devilish ways within him.
And that's probably when you started to see the changes.
Yeah.
And I wasn't going to change myself you know, I was too black or my songs with too RnB,
I don't know what happened after Billie Jean and that huge success
he changed into something else, but prior to that he was cool.
Did you guys stay in touch even after all
of that, we did when he did the 'Bad' video?
He called me and he wanted my best friend,
who was Greg Burke, to choreograph the 'Bad' video.
And
I got in touch and they got in touch with each other.
And then I went to visit the set.
That was the first time I ever saw him when he had totally changed.
What did you think?
I whispered something, I, I whispered something in his ear, he didn't like it.
I'm very real with Michael, you know, like he knows I'm really a black woman.
So I approach him in a whole other way, you know.
And how many people have seen them in his drawers?
I mean, I guess it's not that many.
Maybe Tatum O'Neal. Right.
Right.
Well, Michael is very cute underwear, but he was the most gentle, most kind.
But he never said a bad word about anybody.
I've never seen him upset. Never.
And he is a very, very sweet and nice man. He really is.
Tthe world wasn't ready for Michael
because he had so much love for everything and everybody that he was misunderstood.
He was truly,
truly misunderstood and very, very unhappy in the last days of his his existence.
When did he start changing,
like when you started seeing him lightening his skin and doing stuff?
I think that I think
when he became bigger, you know,
and now in the entertainment world, they always tell you,
because I was always black, I was too black to this, to that.
So they want you to crossover.
So they tell you you have to, you know, not sing
so soulful. Not so.
I think when he crossed over to Pop,
which I don't like labels because I think music is music,
that's when he began to change, when he got all that success.
And he had I believe he had the wrong type of people around, because the real truth
is, in this business, in this industry and in this world is no
matter how much money you have as a black entertainer, you are still black
And that's what he realized he was no matter.
And he's the he's the biggest selling artist in the world, but they treated him
like he was just another black artist when his records began not to sell and that pained him
and he went on that campaign of calling Tommy Mottola a racist and all of that.
And he's not the only one.
But he learned later in his because you're only as good as your last record.
And that's what I realized early.
You're only as good as whatever hit you have at that moment.
Your history, my credentials and what I've accomplished means nothing.
He was so gentle and so kind.
And he's not a pedophile. Not at all.
So why do you think you got caught up in the old pedophile scandal?
Because Michael liked being around children because they were innocent.
Even my my brother Andre used to hang
around Michael, and they weren't they didn't want anything from him.
They didn't have an agenda.
And I think that's why he like being around children.
They just like to play and have fun.
They didn't have an agenda, but most people around him had an agenda.
They wanted something. I mean, I would go to Hayvenhurst and see
mothers drop their daughters off to stand at that gate and wait for Michael.
Really? Yes.
But he was very shy.
He was never, ever, a child molester
never.
I don't think he was misunderstood, just grossly misunderstood.
And he was before his time.
And people didn't understand because he loved children.
Children did not, were not
tainted. And that's what he was always concerned with.
adults always wanted something from him, which he just wanted to have fun
Do you do you think it was strange and even
behavior like staying over with the kids or anything like that?
I didn't think it was strange.
No, I didn't think anything he did was strange.
I think the public and I think people that are around him made it strange.
And and because he liked that, they they made the story.
But he's not that is the most he was the most gentle person guy.
Michael was so sweet and so innocent.
And I really don't think that this world was ready for the kind of person he was,
you know, that he was love and that's all he knew was love.
And he loved children because children are innocent.
They're not tainted and they don't judge you.
They don't want anything from you.
So that's why he felt comfortable being around.
Why why do they do that?
I was like when it comes to like Teddy Pendergrass and Michael Jackson,
any of the great black stars, they always got to end their lives with some
mess, but they don't talk about Elvis Presley marrying her 16
or any of them.
Because I say this.
They tolerate us in this business.
They don't celebrate us. They had a white man playing
Michael, you remember that story with Michael and somebody will now.
How insulting is that,how stupid? How crazy is that?
That's some crazy stuff right there.
You know, I think they make fun of us.
And I think that
when you like, I never wanted to sit at their table, never.
I wanted to sing, do my music and be a great artist and perform to my people.
I never wanted to sit at the table. Never.
Michael Jackson is the king, period. Absolutely.
Pop, RnB, whatever he's the king period. And that's how I feel.