nobody would know what the flick a true detective season 1 episode 5 the secret
fate
all life blood literally Robert ably
joining us as we can be very from BuzzFeed dot com are this of course will
be the episode remembered for all the 2002 hairstyles
I for the transition from one place back to another
no holy shit this episode a
I really what was be honest that's we set that you're every bit as journalists
writers Joann
it's amazing but its there were only five episodes air it was so dead set on
because essentially two episodes at once you had
yet they were the seeming resolution at the regular do
storyline and then and then they'd like crack that
deficits are cracked open and pitted to what happens after and then at the end
of the episode
debt daily the interrogation and like end and now
the whole certain motive the way the the effort has been structured is totally
Joe where do we go now we're not in the room with the two guys in the Boko no I
feel like a whirlpool go in the first half like things are going down the
drain and then ending kinda been now we're getting this thing
zipping up again and a little bit ago tornado going on the other other
direction going up so
it's definitely transition period the time but the
very interesting transitions and there have been hints along the way that
you know there have been more murders clearly they think mcconnell hey you're
with the ok all those involved
but it's all you know the subtext this text now like we're just gonna get a
ride out there and then level on the current detectives have obviously the
it we now know their deal they they think the coal is involved and they
wanna jam and and they've got some good points to make
arm but I think we're also being a you know
led to believe that that cold as it is maybe entered
entered some sorta the I don't know his own private investigation phase that
involve going
I mean what it is like an undercover thing with this whole look you've got
now in 2012 as part of some very long game he's playing about the find the
real I'm sorry there are no I was already passed the bill her head in a
bit
the same thought because I think that when he was talking about his previous
passes an undercover cop he also had gone off the grid
right it also serve fallen off the face of the earth and I
editor did a lot of biker crank you know exactly so I
you know it seems like a that is where the
the show's had a but I i site that there are I think at this point
3 separate narrative strands happening at the same time
that are %uh that are answered in kind of what you have the one that we've
seeing
which is you know I when they get to racial issues
I hideout they have to fake
what action they have the ambush that ever happened to him
and then you have what they're telling everybody is what they what actually
happened
and then you have now I think the narrative the by the present day
detectives
and what they're seeing their case or have the AC call and how they perceive
things unfolding
and I did and I love that serve layered storytelling
yeah just be there i mean you know I think you're the best love
unreliable narrators I've ever seen as them telling their
ossified version of how it all went down while we're seeing a completely
different set
love circumstances and Poland and to a person to hold the star in the night
okay with this is
clearly a rehearsed Eunos speech and and now we're getting the
and that was just the other was so what's going on at the same time it was
it was extraordinary
yeah and I and II I personally love this idea that like nobody else and remind us
all a visit love is feeling like you know when he said
a couple absurd back you know that that's the thing under your nose and
inattention and he's
speaking about it from a personal journey perspective like the you know
the
the thing I know there was a need to pay attention to with my own family but
I love that you know basically the living there was right under the noses
they didn't pay attention to was that
school where we're obviously I'm not met the guy at the end finds the the little
wooden things and cuz we had that scene where they were probably about to go
they would've probably search that's cool
if if they hadn't gotten the phone call if you know we're also in the car had
gone the
call to goad check out that the regular do i mean the red they literally were
distracted at that moment
and that was the thing that I mean I knew where to get back to like the the
the ad that the anti-religion task force that clearly is coming back a character
we knew that when they were introduced the baby coming back but
I wondered at that school was gonna come back and school did come back
that that ending scene was really compelling
in that I think we're stepping into calls brain
you know that it was sort of musty and rotten and
and clearly obsessive and add it was really creepy and I
the cross-cutting between that sequence and the interview with
a heart in the present day and src heart
kinda beginning to understand where the modern-day detectors are coming from
that whatever the legal I mean someone shoved the crime fiction
ear protectors versus cops media prep detectives work in you know it outside
have been institutionalized you know
environment and solve crimes that when I think we're giving
a story about how somebody comes to believe it they can't solve a
crime through the institution at the police department already met a guy he's
probably realizing that you know
well we found little to do but you know I work with a partner who
shop the company like you know in and and that has made me not to be him and
and and he's now thinking like
I what if I just you know and and and then they have this guy that may no
information but then he killed himself after a phone call
and met my coming from the thingy I need to basically did not be in the police
force to solve this crime
I'm and I but I'm also not entirely convinced that
we are being given the entire picture of a true picture I might cause going on
with cold weather is a mean way to find out what the
he's doing for ten years me look into the economy and its
hopefully can explain record right here a little early because the road is given
that the point of view the two detectives regarding what they think
that you know mcconnell hey
being sorta having manipulated the entire investigation up to this point
you know I mention hannibal last week but again I got another for a parallel
where you have somebody
who you know in your own head what actually is happening where he isn't
I'll investigation and does it mean to be later
so you know it's it's something different the other thing that killed
this week of course was the big internet story about
the King in Yellow yes the short story compilation where
a that they decided a lot in the show although the car goes a step in the
yellow King amor
you know if the family ties to a a story about
a play that is performed that if you get to the second act it drives you mad
because you basically understand all the horrors of the universe some
you know is coal bag I you know it has he seen too deeply into the heart of
darkness and
to be a biz gaze back oh he's literally looking into that whole family members
on
see like that so I find to be frustrating because that
I wanted if I'm watching television show I don't 30 homework IIIi IIIi don't want
I it should be added value if you wanna go and
sir diving deeper and faster with the inspirations are in the Shoney's I don't
know I don't need I don't want to have to be told that I have to root
find out about this other book to understand the show that I'm watching I
don't think the
the creator the show though is now command talked about all the different
levels that he was actually going for and
and aspects have like storytelling in Meadow like you know
detective work the that better parlor I think he may even those that like
that the story have to work on its own for two tinkered with your so I'm no
action aimed
among them do any looking into the whole carcass the Stop Online eyes were
blowhole do that it's up to the end after I i download it for free i'm gonna
read it when the series is over and
have some whites have this episode really opened up
the other characters are you know that we had been so model focused on heart
and call for so many of these episodes
really to the detriment of even like hart's wife
I that we finally began to stir understand
those characters where they're coming from we got to know arm hurts daughters
better
especially once they got to beat teenagers and
sir saw the through effective his neglect as a parent
I you know i i really appreciate that I feel like come
that we I that the show itself to serve
opening up a little bit and letting us serve getting broader picture on the
planet again i think is the
reverberations are there specific behavior and how they impact other
people I'm
surely we're going to find more about this doctor who was involved with Colin
you know how what his craziness did to them as a couple but
your %uh yeah i i think it's more about hearts cell which is in is neglecting
his
his the you know the way he compartmentalize is his family life
purses work life and how that's
that impact their body the video its notice that um
you know call now has five a little cut out and beer can people standing in a
circle
I was reminded that moment when hard cheeses daughters and they have
with their doll set up a crime scene and there's like one dead when the wrestler
standing around and I'm wondering that also ties into some sort of
the ritual staff with that obviously is a compact you know going with these
crimes already has a tight ties into
the the the writers themes about storytelling and how we can that the
story to tell in our lives in the way we process things that we get a mean like
the whole thing with the bus circled the the flat circle stop the that
course talking about I mean I think years but the look at what's going on in
hearts family
with him now going through the stuff years later with with the with a teenage
daughter
as as things repeating themselves their life I mean so I mean back yes stuff
comes back around so I i do
I this is only only thought to this because I had just recently we watched
LA confidential I and
I I do feel like that the the server it seems I put the
larger story is is gonna be telling us is that regular do
was an accident almost done I
a rat like they've they found what he was doing bad
but it wasn't a bad thing that the value that they're looking for
very much like and and I confidential
that detectives get put on I'm these
black men who have kidnapped a woman in a been raping her
but that's not the crime that they were looking to them for so
they end up and they poorly by happenstance just
like hey look down then what down and it so id
and many think that while there's a lot I really interesting innovation in
and the storytelling in the show the serb heart narrative
is very much about her it was still in Pope
detective fiction quite yet there there's no classic crime fiction writing
going on here I think iight thats it's a
it were you know detectives in the story is good to go through
arm so much does get to the final solution it usually involves a couple
loves
a couple scenarios where you believe one thing is true believe one whole theory
before that upended and I mean you know the fact that the cops
but the cops now came up with a very very plausible he believed why they
would think all
a you know might be involved the mean they made a very good case that there's
total manipulation going on in court that was that was fun that was fun to be
I like when writers come up with that device
where they can to make a see the whole narrative in a new way
yeah exactly and %uh the pieces fit together even if it's not the correct
solution you know
so ha three more episodes moods
I have no idea where this is going and I love the so if you were concerned at
this point that that
this is gonna be assertive the killing situation where we get to the end at the
serum I
and it's not it not to say that they sort of say tune in next season cuz it
had been very
a friend that it's going to be absolutely there's no doubt in 10 think
but as a better be good are they getting in very good it's going to be very much
on resolved I've I'm really beginning to get to that that feeling
I'm about that i IIIi think um
a I just I I think people what the writer were gonna kill me i believe i
mean again let you go so I think he knows
when I heard were yeah I'm sure you can figure that out I think as long as they
bring us to kinda
unemployed with the characters I'm more concerned about that than necessarily
the
yet IT solution to the crime writer completely I need it a solution to the
kind I know
I stayed there dropped like it I think if they if
if they had to drop that crime to a large degree in Polk is much more the
characters
I would have I would feel NAT Nat I wouldn't feel that strongly about it but
the fact that
their new killings that there's apparently some very powerful person
involved that
you know that the whole yellow King thing it's a conspiracy
they're dropping more hints for me to pick up and so i i
would justice in like them to resolve a seventh-place
personally but I'd think that ok at well as we pursue with that we will be back
to talk about next week thanks for joining us