Hey, it's marie forleo and welcome to the marie forleo podcast today
We are talking with one of the most creative accomplished producers in the world
Sherry salata, and we're talking about her new book the beautiful
No, now if you don't already know sherry you are in for such a treat. Here's her bio
sherry salata is a writer producer and co-founder of the pillar life.com and
Co-host of the podcast the sherry and Nancy show her current ventures are the evolution of her 20 year career with Oprah Winfrey
Her action-packed days is an executive producer of The Oprah Winfrey Show were chronicled in the acclaimed docu-series
season 25 Oprah
Behind-the-scenes sherry has also served as co-president of Harpo Studios and own the Oprah Winfrey Network
She's been named one of Fast Company's 100 most creative people in business The Hollywood Reporter's women in entertainment power
100 and the 2017 feminist press power Award winners sherry is a proud iowa hawk-i living happily ever
after in a magical town in Northern, California
Sherry salata, thank you so much for being on the marie forleo podcast woman
Marie I feel like this is the reunion of all reunions
Yeah, this this conversation has been a long time coming. I love and admire you so much
I have this memory of us. It was years ago
It was I believe at the right after the belief premiere and you were the one to ask me like Marie
Are you available on April 9th 2016 and I was like, I don't know but pretty much. Yes
sherry
Anything Sherry's asking me I'm gonna say yes to and I just I have this memory
without your super self session it was and you
Smile on your face and the warmth with which you invited me onto that stage. Like I will just never forget
How you've always treated me and I have so much love and respect for you. So I just wanted to say that to you and
Congratulations on this beautiful book the beautiful no and other tales of trial transcend this and transformation
I know I texted this to you, but you are such a killer writer and your storytelling ability. Oh my goodness
I'm so excited for folks to get their hands on this
Take me behind the inspiration behind this book. What's the why why this book? Why now?
Yeah, I mean
I think maybe my wise a little bit clearer now at the very beginning it was it was a creative venture
I had met a woman who?
launched an imprint with her per Collins who's my publisher and editor and she's in the middle of her life and she is
Like when I look at her life I go. Yeah, that's pretty cool
I she like started surfing at 40
so we kind of got each other and she felt like I had
This point of view and this perspective to share and then Marie off I went
For two years and and let nobody tell you that writing a book is easy
I mean, you know that the first year totally sucked and and I really I woke up, you know acro
There was a Christmas Eve over just over a year ago. When as I went to bed
I'm like I'm giving them their money back take your advanced back. I'm not doing this. Oh I'd who needs this?
This is way too hard. I don't really know exactly what I want to say. And then I woke up on Christmas morning
So this is this is a spiritual story
Christmas morning I wake up and I almost feel like it was my mom coming to me from the other side
he said do you know how many people would love a bona fide contract with a really good publisher and the
Opportunity to put words on paper and have people read them and I'm like, yes
There's many people and then I realized wow
What an amazing opportunity and if I so choose?
This can be a cathartic
Beautiful experience and and then all of a sudden it was so I had a great year writing it
Can I tell you how relieved I am to hear you say this because I believe people about my journey writing
Everything is figure out able which is not my first book, right the first book
I wrote was years and years and years ago
And I was so young and naive that I didn't know any better to be stressed, right?
I just sat down and did it by the way PS Josh reminded me. Oh, no, you stressed out over that one, too
You just forgot that you did. This one is different
But I want to say this to you sherry because I think it's important. You know, you are a
Brilliant writer and producer and you've been crafting stories for well over two decades and I consider myself
A pretty good person at what I do and I've been doing that his company writing these emails writing all the web coffee
You know creating programs being a teacher for almost two decades
And so I had this assumption I was like, well, I write all the time. It's gonna be a fairly easy process
I'm and meanwhile, I got my ass kicked right left and center by this book same thing
I had that thought I was like
You know do I really need to do this? And even though I didn't go very far down this thought train I
Absolutely considered I was like what would happen if I gave my advance back in just that whatever
The Oprah Talk, that's enough
But I want to say this for anyone listening who might be in the throes of writing struggling right now
You're hearing from two women who are accomplished at what they do and they found themselves thrashing around. Yeah
We you know, the best advice is keep going push through it. Just keep writing. Yeah
Yeah, eventually you do make it through that, huh?
So one of the things I love that you shared you said I had a dream come true career
But not a dream come true life. Can you tell us more about that Oh Marie. Oh my gosh
Well, that was my that was my really big Epiphany
So until until I had a moment until you know
The the first days after my Oprah career and I could I could kind of quiet myself for a minute and be like, whoa
It's like getting off of a speeding speeding train. That's you know, circled the globe
You know a million times and and and just say, okay, let's take a look at what we've created here
And that's when I had that that epiphany
That I had
Manifested a dream come true career, which believe me I wanted
I mean I didn't start with over till I was 35 years old
So I wanted a dream come true career and I had fully manifested that like what one of the most dreamy careers ever
But I had not manifested a dream come true
so there I am at 56 years old and
It's my life is completely lopsided
You know, I have all this achievement and all this accomplishment by you know
Cultural standards and my life itself, though
It's like all my little dreams are dried-up stuffed into drawers
and and virtually unlived and
Honestly Murray the only way I could take
a
sober
Truthful look at it was to find my tenderest. Most compassionate
Lens and my tenderest most compassionate voice and say okay girl. Let's go through it. How
have you done here and
Let's figure out what you really want
That's one of the things I find in my own work that can be one of the most challenging hurdles to overcome
For all of us is being able to identify and articulate
clearly what it is that we really want and
I love that he who found yourself in this space right after this mega career
And and let me I wanted to ask you this
Did you know?
Like I feel like sometimes in our lives when a big change is coming
We almost feel it like it's in the distance. You know what I mean?
We know it's coming, but it might not be ready yet
And I'm curious if you sensed, you know, you might have been so busy that you didn't feel or you didn't sense it coming
In terms of you know moving on to a next chapter
did you feel this big change in your life coming or was it one day that you woke up and sometimes your life just feels
Rearranged you're like I need to make a change. This is time for me to move on
yeah, I mean I absolutely could feel that a change was going to come I
Think about the conversations I I'd have with one of my BFFs Nance in my back yard
Like on our second and third bottle of Chardonnay
and and it was dreamy like it was like oh
Can you imagine if we started our own company and can you imagine and what would it look like?
And what would we do would we do storytelling would it be a media company?
We would do branding work and also Marie quite frankly. One of the things that was getting me. All riled up was
meeting you and Chris Carr and others like you who are
megawatt entrepreneurs, you know, like of course Oprah is an entrepreneur and but you know,
She you know to me that felt like lightning in a bottle
And then all of a sudden I meet you and I'm like well, she's running an empire
Wow, okay, and it's her own empire and
you know, I was just starting to get this this little bit of a feeling like
Of
Incompletion and that and that's still unconscious about you know
My might how what state my health was in what state my love life was in all the things that were
That were had really been not been tended to but yeah
I was starting to like some dreams were starting to bubble bubble up for sure. Yes. Yes. Yes
Yes
And I think that that's so important for all of us to hear and to recognize because all of us go through so many stages
in our life where we maybe start to feel or sense a change coming on and
That's scary
It's very scary because we get in these patterns and we have these habits in these ways of being and of course
You know with a career which for most of us is the largest part of our lives
It's where we spend the most time day in and day out to make a major change like that
It can feel really intimidating
And sometimes you almost don't want to hear that a change is coming some time share when I'm feeling questions for marietv
you know, it's really a
common
place to
Feel at a crossroads and to go my goodness even for someone who's built their own business
Sometimes they say I don't think I want this one anymore. I think I'm ready for something else
And what does that mean about me?
So that's why I think there's so much value in your story and there's so much value in the book that you've wonderfully put together
because what you're showing us is a path ahead of hope and of creativity and an adventure and of
What we might encounter when we start to listen to those whispers of our heart, right?
So one of the things I love too that you wrote in the beginning was just about how our culture
Looks at women once they get past 50, right right, even from a business perspective the business lense of advertisers
It's like wow, we don't really give an F about any woman, you know once she gets past fifty five
I forget you probably know the demo better than I do. But yeah
It's 254 and yeah, like 25 to 54
Is is the big sweet spot?
I just Marie honestly
I'm just gonna tell you that whether I have no data to support this but really big
Juicy leading and edge brands are going to toss that out the window
It's gonna be a psychographic
It's gonna be like, these are the attributes of the people we're gonna advertise to as opposed to their age
I'm just sure of it because it's so frickin archaic as
The problem is for the people in in my group in. You know, I I
dubbed it Nancy and I call it the middle of life because we like that better and
Because it's kind of like, whoa, you still have a whole nother half to create
Yes, but super important to even if you're even if you're super
If you're well-read and you're well-educated and you feel like you're you know your own mind
it's really important to make sure that
you discover which cultural messages have landed in your bones that you're not aware of and
by that I mean, are you willing to see yourself at forty and fifty as
Just about in the middle and what else you gonna do?
We've all met the person who like had their glory days in high school or their four days in college and it's like it's over
It's all downhill from there, but it's ours to design. It's ours to design
So even someone like me who had whoa, you know these these twenty years of working for Oprah
I would like to think that those were the beginning of my glory days and and the
Real glory days are yet to be created?
Yes
That is where it's at and I will tell you as the years go by for me
I still have this inner sense Cheri that I am just getting started
Like that's how it feels for me and it feels that way year after year
And of course to my logical mind that doesn't make sense, but to my soul it really does
So this is something else I loved about
Your book so going back in time
I don't know if people realize this you mentioned it earlier, but I want to highlight it again
You didn't start at Harpo until you were 35 like you had an adventure after an adventure you were in Texas for a while you
Were trying all kinds of jobs
And the reason I want to bring this up
First is because so many times people put so much pressure on themselves
Like if they're not making that 30 under 30 list
right
If they don't have it all figured out if they don't have the big bank account or the notoriety or the clarity on their career
By the time they're 30. They think they're somehow behind I'm like, that's so not true all of us find our way
We're on earth such a unique path in our unique timelines and we have all of these transitions in our life
Nosed wondering if you can tell us a little bit about
Your early days and Oh Murray, I think before the heart boat
You're exquisitely insightful there and I gotta tell you I would have made no 30 under 30 list of any kind
not
Except that, you know, there was the person who's effed up, you know the most and yeah
I mean it was it was a sad state of affairs
I had to sense to my name and at one point I was living in my parents basement as
They they were upstairs terrified that I was never gonna make anything of myself
Yes, and and I I do I write about the adventure I graduated from the University of Iowa
I ended up at Texas only job I could get was typing in a typing pool
Then I got promoted to a bigger typist. Then I was gonna go to law school
my dad said I could go at night and I was like, we'll forget that and
You know next thing, you know
I was managing a toy store and then my stint at
7-eleven mice math wit my smock wearing months training as a 7-eleven store manager
delivering a baby in a parking lot
and then finally realizing that
I'm just barking up all the wrong trees and at 27 packed up
you know went went home and and went moved into mom and dad's basement and
Really was thinking like you my again maybe dreams. Maybe I don't have the promise that I thought I did and
So you are absolutely right. We're all on our own timeline and anything can happen
but
Go ahead
No
I was just gonna ask you because I thought it was so interesting like once you made it back home and you're with your
Parents. I'm curious if you can tell us more about how that
advertising job came in because when I was tracing back through your history unlike
People who write ad copy people who understand advertising right? Like there was some magic in there
I was like, yeah how it all started coming together
Well, this is this is you never know who your angels are and the co-operative components
The universe is lining up to lead you on the path to your dreams
So basically all the only skills I had were retail skills, and I had decided I didn't
retail wasn't my dream and
my best friend's
Fiancee who I'd met maybe once or twice over the years because I lived in another state
was the executive producer at a midsize ad agency in Chicago and and he heard about my my my
Living in the basement and being out of work and he invited me down to the city for a big fancy lunch
You know white tablecloth really super fancy. I think I wore something new and there were tags on my suit
I mean it was sad sad state of affairs and
And and he was you know
What happened was in those moments there were some combination of words
he said where I literally could see he believed I had a bright future and
That I that something really good could happen for me in Chicago
And so when he asked me like hey, well, do you know what you want to do?
And I'm sure like in the moment
He regretted it instantly and I heard the words come out of my mouth. I want to do what you do and
he went gulp and he's like, alright, well, you know, let me see and
You know I later found out he went back to the agency
moved some people around and made spot a spot for me as his secretary because he had called me and said
Do you know how to type on my godmother expert typist? Not really and
He taught me everything he taught me how to edit. He taught me how to shoot how to produce music how to produce voiceovers
You know how to look at something with a discerning visual eye. He was very
awesomely talented and
He gave me that blessing. That's really the only way I can describe it
It was like he he was the universe helping me get ready for a big dream
And he blessed me and and I think about I think about you know, wow
That changed everything
And so let's talk now about the fact that you did apply
right for a job at The Oprah Show at the Auto Show and
You got declined. Oh, yeah, like just summarily rejected
I applied for an entry-level position as a promo producer being in because by now I was a
Nap, I was gonna say big time that would be completely deceptive. I was an accomplished and and seasoned
advertising
commercial producer and so I sent in my reel of commercials and my resume and
I got home one day and I was like, oh my god. This is it
This is how I'm gonna bring meaning into my life
I'm gonna get a job at that show, and there was a message on my machine
We had answering machine with tape back then and it was like, I'm sorry. This is so-and-so. I'm sorry
you're not what we're looking for and
Practically, I understood that because the two disciplines were very very different
But oh it was a heartbreak. I mean, I was like shoot. I really thought that was it
I thought that was my next move and a
while later I was you know in the title story of the book the beautiful know is about I
Was broke again. I was look
like was I was freelancing which is dialing for dollars in my to my way of thinking and
I hated making those calls. Do you have any work for me? Okay. Thanks anyways
and
I was up for a big staff job at a big huge
agency for four at the time lots of money and benefits and stability and security and I really needed the job and
I had a spectacular interview my friends and I all
celebrated wildly but turns out prematurely and then I get a letter saying we're not hiring and
And it was shortly after that where?
Another message comes on my answering machine. Hey, this is so-and-so from The Oprah Winfrey Show
We were cleaning out an old closet and found your resume and your reel of commercials. Will you come in and freelance?
It's a freaking miracle it's a miracle, but you can see how the universe starts lining things up for you and
and if you would only that's what I the beautiful know has become one of my most profound spiritual understandings and
And I began to say if I could only collapse time and when I get to know be like, okay
I can't wait to see how gorgeous this is down the road. I
Love it, and thank you so much for telling that story because so many times I feel like
Folks will show up on my doorstep virtual or otherwise and just say but what's wrong with me nothing seems to be working out
I try and share this with them. I'm like we're looking in the middle of the movie. Yeah, no idea
Here's a ready turn out right kind of like if we were sitting there eating popcorn
together in that theater and
you know all of the characters on the screen like just nothing is going right and you just decided to walk out and then you're
Like well, that's how the story ends. It's like no wait, you're missing all of the good stuff. You're right
it's the middle of the movie and
If you want to get to that fantastic
dreamy miraculous conclusion faster
It's going to have to be by harnessing your positivity and hope and optimism
and
expectation in that direction
Yes, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. I love that and then obviously spent for the next two decades just
Creating so much magic for all of us the honor of my life man. It was the honor of my life
So I'm fine and I I love in the book. How many stories you tell about that?
And obviously the big kind of finale show and just all of the magic you guys pulled off together
just so
Incredible and those memories and all of the fun and also who you got to become in the process, right?
Seeing how powerful you really are and your ability to make shit happen. I mean, come on share
You know, well, you know, yes, you know what it takes. And yes, that is very true
But I will say hands down
No kiddin, the ultimate company benefit for me was getting paid to build a spiritual life
That's the truth. That was that was like it was like having a window on
You know the quantum field and and getting to hear the language and the theory and the the
Ideas from some of the foremost thought leaders of our time and and that just felt like that
I like gosh. I'm getting paid. I'm getting paid to take this end really amazing
So cool. And obviously you're just a really good storyteller. And I love how you emphasized in the book that
Stories have such a power
Over all of our lives and sometimes we don't even realize it and the most crucial stories are really the ones that we tell
to ourselves
You're right
When I glanced around at women my age range
I can see so clearly how we are each telling ourselves different stories about what's possible for ourselves
You know the way we move and through the way we eat and through the way we speak and create, you know
Sometimes it's really funny. I love my mom. They hope she's gonna listen to this one
Sometimes she doesn't listen as much to the podcast because she's always like what are you wearing this week? She is
But sometimes my mom who is
God bless her right she's in her early seven days. She'll say Ari, you know what I mean?
I don't have much time if I'm like. Are you kidding me? You're gonna be around for awhile
and obviously we never know right none of us know how long we're gonna be here but to your point about the stories that we
our selves and so what I thought was also so brilliant was the story that you were telling yourself after you're like
This is my new chapter
I am now ready to take all of that spiritual wisdom all of these brilliant ideas and
Put them into practice in a way that I haven't done before. I was like go Cherie
This is gonna be awesome. Especially around your self-care right like that was
To me. I just loved how bravely and candidly you shared
Hey look
I have not been the best
Steward of my body up until this point and I really want to investigate this on a whole new level
Oh, that's for sure. And I mean, you know, that's why in many ways
Listen that, you know my story and the stories I tell on this book
Yes
Rallying cry let's go. Let's let's come on
Tribe mates, let's stir up our dreams, but it's also a bit of a cautionary tale
I mean I had all the information. I mean I had more information was coming out of my ears
but until I
decided that I was willing to embrace the practice of consciousness and
and and staying conscious and staying present and
and
not numbing myself or or
disconnecting because I thought my feelings it was going to be too hard to feel them or
It was going to be too uncomfortable or I just didn't wanna you know, I'd rather eat cheese instead
I just don't wanna yeah
Yeah, and again, I mean what's important for me to say is it's still a process?
You know, I'll have a day when I'm like wow, you are so off track today
And now let's take a look at how you're feeling and I'm like, oh my god, I feel awful
I feel hopeless
despondent
It's like, okay
So let's put the pieces together there that those little practices that you put into your life those self-care practices
Those are the things that create that good feeling that that stir up the hope pots
The hope soup pots that kind of get you going to think gosh. What else?
one of the places I think you and I share some DNA is our willingness to go all in like I was laughing so
Hard at you and I think like Nance like signing up for these tort or some fitness classes, right?
You're like mom go it all in baby. Oh my goodness
Can I tell you how many times I've done that and like recently?
I have been
working on gaining my strength and stamina back because I am no longer in Nike athlete that used to be true and you know at
One point in my life and I was just like, oh my goodness my I was laughing
I was crying with you guys and I love the point that you came away with which is like you're done with these kind of
mainstream
You know
one-size-fits-all
Regimes. Yeah, and now it's really about you tinkering for yourself
What feels good for your body? Right? What what's gonna really feel good for you?
And what's gonna work for you and then continuing to observe what's working?
And what's not and giving yourself permission to tweak as you go? Oh my gosh. Well, it isn't isn't personalization everything
I mean, here's what I think Marie and I consider you a a wisdom keeper a teacher and expert
You know at some point you really do want your students. You really do want your students become to become the experts on themselves
yeah, and always right and and and and to make like they're leaning on you less necessary and I
Think about you know from that control room seat all the experts
I got to see and all their the the
programs and
The kind of like you put a program on like a suit of clothes and I have certainly been a program girl
which is, you know, give me a program because in my mind, I think that's the answer and
What the answer is is customizing your own program like exposing yourself to?
ideas into other people's
You know programs and steps and then saying wow
This one would be a good one for me this I feel good this resonates with me and then putting together your own little recipe
Tweaking it every day paying attention to it and literally becoming your own coach
Yes
Absolutely, but I really appreciate how honest that you are in the book about all the different things
You try which brings me, of course to your Desert Hot Springs and winter
We got was big you were there for how long well I know
I've been there several times now. So I think I've been there a total maybe three or four times. It's it's we care
resort, and it's a kind of a Hollywood insider secret, but people come from all over the world and you
It's very it's it's not super duper fancy
but it's very very warm and you basically go there you're on a fast and you're getting a colonic everyday and
doing yoga and
You know, it's very supervised and healthy
but you really get very clear, you know, you get very clear and I
Remember the like I was like, oh my god
how am I not gonna eat for eight days and especially if you have some addictions like to caffeine and to
alcohol and
to
You know food
It gives you really a chance
to in a in a in a safe way to go through, you know a little over a week and and to
Kind of reassess and reset your relationship with those things. I
Thought what was so moving was when Renee asked you to draw two pictures. Yeah, Alice about that
yeah, so I'd signed up for that weight loss for hypnosis for weight loss because I was like well
I need something to do all day if I'm not eating and
they were these sessions with with Rene Cardenas who just is a brilliant brilliant woman and
She brought out that some paper and some crayons and she asked me to do a drawing. She goes don't think about it
Just draw and I was kind of like this is stupid
Oh my god, you know this is coloring where it where's the where is the watch in front of me?
when am I gonna feel hypnotized and
And the first so she asked me to draw myself as I saw myself right then
And not you know
here's another piece of paper now dry yourself as you wish you would be and
Then she told me to look at the picture side by side
the first one
Was this Haggerty looking woman with?
two blue crosses where Eyes Were and a red cross where the mouth was and
Basically, it was a woman who did not want to see or speak
About her state her her worn out Ness and what was happening to her and in the second one?
was this
energized
Flirty looking smiley sparkly eyed
You know
the woman who was you know in love with life and
then she you know, she asked me you know, how
how I thought how could this woman become this woman and
Asked me to draw a picture and I ended up drawing
It was like a door with some fringy grass and so stars in the sky
It just was a door and there was a little sign that just came from my subconscious and it said now just walk through
and I
Remember I spent the rest of that week
Staring at that just walk through that that door that that I'm not a great drawer either
so it was a very crude drawing of this this doorway imaginary doorway and
At what the poignancy marie to me was? Oh my gosh. I'm not alone here
I wonder how many of us are staring at that door to the life of our dreams and and we're scared
you know we
Possibly don't believe it. We don't have the courage. We maybe we don't even have the energy to
walk through that door to the life of our dreams and
that was really for me the beginning of
you know well
what if you did sherry what if you did walk through that door what happens then and then what happens then and what if
You can still manifest the life of your dreams. What if you really believe that and that was the beginning of a
Really a brand new life for me. I gotta say
Mmm, I loved it and I loved the simplicity and I also loved the inner resistance
I always find that whenever I am on a little journey of growth, whatever
I'm kind of the mean girl in my mind or the super hyper judgmental part of my mind like oh
This is stupid kind of like what your mind was saying with the drawings. It's like that's usually a stuff
I really need to pay attention to
It's resistance with the capital of that resistance that resistance with the capital R is usually like a light bulb or a glow stick
it's like go towards that my name is
So you also wrote about work-life balance?
I thought this was really insightful and about if that phrase makes you feel like a failure
Every way you turn or like you have to put a drop ceiling on your dreams
You have to actually stop using that phrase all together and I just want to say amen to that
And I really can't stand that phrase
You know some people like Murray, how do you do it all and like?
I actually don't and I don't give a shit that I don't do it all I love my life so much
It's probably the most unbalanced thing that you'll ever see
All I care about is like am I healthy? Am I happy am I joyful?
Do I feel like I'm contributing if I can check those boxes? I don't care how all that happens
It just happens, right? That's right. Yeah, that's right. I mean and and and I just don't believe it's possible
Yeah, you know that the concept of balance is that you're out of it and you come back into it?
You're out of it, you know and I get what what some people are
Intimating by that phrase, they're saying that you know, don't go unconscious about certain areas of your life
Which I certainly have many times but I think for me that like, you know, how do you achieve work/life balance?
Feels like failure failure failure failure
and and there's such um
and and and
There's no way to succeed at that and I just makes me feel bad about myself and I was like well
are you really trying to achieve work-life balance or or as Murray just
spoke about are you trying to
manifest a joyride and
it's gonna be comprised of a lot of things and you're gonna yeah and
flow your attention as you are intuitively guided as
How you see fit as what feels good and what brings you the most joy
Is that maybe that's the life you're trying to live and not this
Artificial construct that is really quite impossible
Yes, yes. Yes. Yes and it just feels so
Strange and static and kind of dead to me in a way and I love you wrote
maybe there's a different way to see things your words one life integrated connected and whole and I was like
Yes, Arius a lot of that is exactly right and it just gives us permission to flow and to actually play and you know
I'm so kind of tired and done with you probably know this about me. Like I can't fit myself into any boxes
You know what? I mean?
it's like I don't need one more thing to try and live up to or one more box to try and fit into it just
Does feel so artificial
So and I loved your follow-up to you said but how when someone asks you right if you're talking or you're speaking in public
But how do you spend your free time? And you said all of my time is free time determined by my choices?
I was like, oh, okay. Sure. I
Love it. But listen, I was I was with that
You know with the choir of misery to where you'd be like I have I have to I have to you know
Just like, you know, not really. Yeah, you're pretty much it's all your free time. You're not trapped in the gulag girl. Yes. Yeah
Oh my goodness speaking this I need to send you the book because there's this one part I have in the book where we're talking
about excuses
Specifically around time and I wrote this piece or like you choose it you choose all of it like every single bit of it
Yeah, when we start to see that I know when I see that it was funny
I was like complaining to myself the other day or you know, whenever I find myself gonna think I have so much work
I literally checked myself shower and I'm like, oh and guess who created all that me like hand-raised
Guess who is guess whose whipped all this up? It is a hundred percent my responsibility
So I was like you either be joyful in this or you make some changes. Those are your two choices? That's right. That's right
that's very
So I want to wrap us up today with the last chapter in your book love the last chapter. You are what you dream
I love that you write the story is ours too, right? So it's been about three. Is it three years right now?
Yeah for you. Yes. Yes
So tell us what is your story feeling like right now because I know even though you have this beautiful book
Which is incredible your life continues to evolve even after you handed in this manuscript. It does it does continue to evolve and
it you know what it feels like nets on some games and
what I mean by that is, you know, I will I'll take three steps forward and then
A step and a half back and then I have learned to stop and focus and go. Hey, that's one and a half steps forward
Instead of you know browbeating myself into not wanting to attempt anything
Yes, and and and consciousness I mean
Three years ago, I made a very very
Radical for my age group decision of culturally that radical self-care would be my
my day in and day out and so that that's what it looks like every day that everything everything that
feels good and healthy and joyful comes first and
that I really really
Focus on letting go of
Those old tapes in my head that that just stressed me out or made me feel incomplete
unworthy or bad about myself and replace it with the voice that's encouraging and tender and loving and
Everything else flows from there Marie like from there
I'm inspired to do creative things and innovative things and ever and from there
I'm inspired to you know meet new people and forge new relationships
but it all comes from that foundation of
What am I gonna do to feel good today
I love it. And for anyone listening right now who suspects it's time for them to start writing a new story for themselves
What do you want to leave him with today?
Do it do it be it
That news story is is waiting for you to write and
You can actually take very very small steps to help you through the fear through the fear of change
but once you start to once you start to get those dream fires a
blazing all of a sudden you do have the energy and you do have the courage and you do have the
Inspiration to go in the direction you need to go
Love it. Love it. Love it
Love it so much and I'll just add one more question for you because this was something that made me cheer in your book
You head into Italy anytime soon, cuz you and I both have our happy place in Italy. Oh
My with my eight months of Italian lessons, I know yeah, I've got well listen
I I would like to go my my dream is when Bella and kissy
Go to the the great dog pasture in the sky. I I have a little dream of
Maybe doing something like living and working from Italy for a year. So maybe you can join me in that. Oh
yeah, we're gonna share some notes and I'm gonna you know
I'll fly and I'm gonna send you some of my favorite audios in terms of Italian lessons because Josh and I have been going back
And forth like driving when we're driving out to Long Island or whatever
Listening to these things and I've got some villas that I'm gonna turn you onto that are awesome
So I think you and I may be having some you know
Other little cup races or a little vino or a little whatever in Italy sometime very soon. Oh
My gosh, I would love that
Marie
Sherry, thank you so much for coming on today. Thank you for this beautiful book the beautiful
No, and I look forward to talking with you again soon. I love you Marie. Thank you. Love you, too. Thank you. Bye
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