>> We are still having to deal with Ben Shapiro and other right wingers making a big deal
about Kaepernick kneeling during football games, during the national anthem. But there
is a twist to this story because Joe Rogan, who recently had been Shapiro on his podcast,
is starting to sniff the BS, he can see it.
And it's obvious in this next clip, take a look.
>> He started by sitting and people started getting video of him sitting as the preseason
was starting. So he then talked to a teammate, they discuss kneeling was the best thing for
him to do at the time. >> Do you know which incident kinda kicked
it off?
>> But, sorry, I was gonna play the video of it. That's what I had here, the actual
first video of him talking about him donating $1 million to a local community. I think he
had guns drawn on him, which is probably what started it.
>> Mm, okay. >> But here's him talking about that.
>> And I've been very blessed to be in this position and be able to make the kind of money
I do. And I have to help these people, I have to help these communities. It's not right
that they're not put in the position to succeed or given those opportunities to succeed.
And as far as taking a knee tonight, Eric, as well as myself had a long conversation
with Nate Lawyer, who is a military vet. And we were talking to him about how can we get
the message back on track and not take away from the military, not take away from five
in our country, but keep the focus on what the issues really are.
And as we talked about it, we came up with taking a knee, because there are issues that
still need to be addressed. And it was also a way to try to show more respect to the men
and women who fight for this country. >> Okay, so that's better obviously.
>> But that's him. >> Scroll down for a second cuz I think that-
>> That's 2016. >> Okay, so that's better obviously. Well,
what happened? I thought you were like a whiz kid. I thought you were super smart. I mean,
everyone has known that Colin Kaepernick spoke to a veteran to ensure that this protest,
the kneeling, or carrying out a protest would be done so in the most respectful way toward
the military.
Towards soldiers, toward veterans, we've known that. And I just love how Ben Shapiro is pretending
like he saw that argument, he saw that statement for the first time. And before I go to you
Cenk, I just wanna go to the second part of this video, where Joe Rogan, well, just watch.
Let's see his reaction. >> Okay, look at the one right below that.
Okay, this is the one I'm talking about. >> Okay, I'm not going to stand up to show
pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people, and people of color to me-
>> That's the sentence, it's right there.
>> So that's a different- >> The video-
>> That's a different center response was. >> Four, five days after these statements
are made, so he said he changed after talking to somebody he made the-
>> Okay. >> Right, so the initial explanation is the
one I was talking about.
>> Okay, so he revised his feelings on it- >> And then-
>> Well that's- >> Super reasonable-
>> Kaepernick had guns drawn on him by cops for being one of the only black guys in this
town. Yeah, that seems super reasonable. >> Yeah, there's a giant difference between
Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro.
I think Ben Shapiro knew all along that Kaepernick can talk to him better and chose to lie to
his audience. And now when confronted by Rogan, who has had him on a lot and helped his publicity.
And all of a sudden he's like, is that right away, I was with Kaepernick something four
days earlier, all right?
Whereas Joe Rogan, I think, genuinely didn't know which is a different problem right?
>> 100%, no 100% okay, sorry to interrupt you. But look, people get angry with Joe Rogan
and there have been times where I get frustrated with the show mostly because of some of the
redundancy.
But based on what I know about Joe Rogan and I do listen to his podcast regularly, he doesn't
come from like, he's not a bad faith actor, right, whereas Ben Shapiro is. Joe Rogan,
remember he's not a political analyst. He likes to have conversations. He's an MMA guy,
among other things, comedian, right?
But his profession is not political commentator or analyst. And so I say that because my frustrations
have been when you have these like fast talking shysters, like Ben Shapiro on. Sometimes they'll
say things that Rogan might not be as knowledgeable about and so he can't rebut the arguments
in real time and you want him to, right?
But once you give him the details and the facts and you make a reasonable argument,
it's not like he's gonna reject it, right? He's not not an unreasonable person, doesn't
mean I agree with him on everything. There are definitely things I disagree with him
on. But there's a difference, you're right between Rogan and Shapiro.
Shapiro has built a career off of lying to people who listen to him and making these
bad faith arguments, which further defame people like Colin Kaepernick unfairly, right?
So, that's all I have to say about that. >> Yeah, well, I have more to say. So first
of all, we haven't gotten to the biggest culprit and it isn't Shapiro or Rogan.
But I have a funny theory, which I'm sure isn't true. So let's share it anyway. Which
is that, Joe hasn't had me on the show in what, five, six years or so. Because I think
he's afraid that if he asked me on the show that he won't invite any more, right, wingers
which kills like half of his guests.
So, we're clearly right. We're clearly right out of all these issues. And I think that
he, in the back of his mind knows that. And so, but then what are you gonna do? He's had
all these like Ben Shapiro and Sam Harris and Dave Rubin and all these guys on a billion
times, a billion times, right?
And so, what is he gonna do? Disavow all of them? When he realizes we're right about almost
every single position? So he's kinda put himself in a tough spot there, but I've said it from
day one. And even in the times that he had those guests come on and totally lie about
me, that I think Rogan is actually a good guy.
And it's kind of a funny thing to say. And he said a lot of bad things, I know that.
But I think that you could talk him out of those positions. And I don't think I'm naive
for thinking that, and he shows it from time to time. He showed it with Rubin into the
post office.
He shows it here with Shapiro and Colin Kaepernick. But the problem sometimes with guys like Rogan
is that, if it doesn't happen to them, it didn't happen, right? That's why he said if
you notice, he had a gun pulled on him by the cops, so that's fair. No, but look, I've
never had a gun pulled on me by the cops, but I could empathize with other people who
have.
But for guys like Rogan they're like, that happened to you, okay, then I get it that
why you're mad. But if you're just look it out for other people, that seems kinda weird,
right? So, I'm sure he wouldn't put it that way. Well, let me get to the biggest culprit,
that's the media.
Because, Rogan knows more about politics, way more about politics than the average bear
does, right? So you say, well, he does, it's not his job, he doesn't know that as much.
Yeah, I hear you on that. But he knows way more than a normal citizen does. Normal citizens
never heard that Kaepernick talked to a veteran.
And actually did it in a respectful way. They do if they watch the Young Turks, they watch
other progressive shows. But the mainstream media never tells him that every time they
cover the story. They make it sound like Kaepernick hates the flag, hates the troops, and they
move on.
So Shapiro can lie in his little dark cave that he's got somewhere and have a couple
of dudes believe him. But it's really the mainstream media, and by not reporting the
actual facts and context of it, that smeared Kaepernick and never corrected it. If you
notice, he said that back in 2016.
And yet if you did a poll of the average American right now and asked them, 90% of them would
not know that. And most people would think that Kaepernick was trying to insult the troops,
cuz that's all they've ever heard.