You obviously accomplished a lot before you made mindfulness a part of your life more
than most people accomplish in their lives.
So do you think that your clarity of thinking has changed in the last eight years and is
mindfulness necessary for clearer thought or could you have it without it as you did
for so many years before.
Unquestionably mindfulness enhances as you’ve said in your book our clarity of thought.
Unquestionably.
And both anecdotally and scientifically we can prove that point.
One of the main reasons is because by allowing us to be in the moment it means we don’t
stay with what just happened.
And that’s one of the reasons that Phil Jackson, now the coach of the Knicks has given
for making mindfulness mandatory as part of the Knicks training which I love.
I love having elite athletes incorporating mindfulness into their training.
And the reason Phil Jackson gives is that he said you’re always going to make mistakes,
you know, on the field or in the court.
The question is can you then move on and be fully present.
Otherwise you’re going to carry the mistake with you and your actions and your decisions
are going to be impaired because of that.
Well the same applies to life.
If I’m still smarting over something that happened that I’m not happy with when the
moment comes for me to make another decision already on to something new it’s going to
affect that particular moment’s decision.
It’s interesting that you mention professional athletes.
One of the things that strikes me about the mindfulness research – and you mention a
lot of this in your book is just how broadly it’s been adapted.
I mean it’s not just athletes.
We have the military doing studies with mindfulness.
You have hedge fund managers like Ray Dalio saying that that’s part of their success.
All of these people clearly have used it after they reach a certain elite point in their
career and then they use mindfulness to almost transcend, you know, to get a step further,
to be the athlete who’s not just a great athlete but who can overcome the problems
in the moment.
Do you feel like there needs to be some work that has to happen beforehand?
Not at all.
And I think with athletes definitely we see them integrating mindfulness, meditation,
training into their coaching right away.
I think the reason why we have so many successful people who’ve accomplished a lot, who’ve
burned out along the way and have not exactly lived very mindfully is because our whole
culture is drenched in the delusion that the only way to really succeed is to burnout.
Understand when you go back and read Thomas Edison inventing the electric bulb and talking
about how sleep is something to be completely contemptuous towards, the whole macho idealization
of sleep deprivation and burnout, they are very, very deeply embedded in our culture,
in our language, you know.
We congratulate people for working 24/7.
We congratulate people for being always on and so we have a lot of work to do to unravel
that.
And I think that a lot of people who’ve succeeded have done so despite the fact that
they burned out along the way, not because of it.
And I have included in the book a lot of people who are sort of iconic in our culture like
Steve Jobs saying that he came with his best ideas that led to the most iconic Apple products
after Zen meditation.
And he describes it very well saying this was when he could hear more subtle things.
You know the idea that when you are multitasking you are more efficient is a complete illusion.
And yet so many of us believe that.
That’s why you walk the streets of New York and you see so many people who can’t walk
without being on the phone or worse, walking and texting.
And I was one of these people.
I remember when I stopped doing that I started noticing things that I had completely missed.
Like I remember going down the street where I live in SoHo and seeing this beautiful building
and telling a friend this is such a beautiful building.
And I said when did it go up?
And she said 1890.
And I wondered what else have I missed.