would you buy a screwless ceiling rose
we've visited this subject before and we gordon when we talked about screwless socket outlets yes
we did and here's one that we created ourselves to sort of possibly imagine the future where you
may have sockets with screwless terminals and it doesn't actually seem technically impossible for
that to happen because if we have a look at uh BS1363A : 2016 amended 2018 I'm sure you have read it
um in there mentions screwless terminals on socket outlets it does yeah so we were we were probably
ahead of the curve that was about 18 months ago we're in obviously early 2021 now that we muted
the idea of that has been a possibility but you suggested ceiling roses in your intro so we're
going to leave the socket outlet there but check out the video that we did on that if you haven't
already seen it yeah and obviously we're in touch with a lot of a lot of inventors and entrepreneurs
in the electrical market you know we've seen lots of great products designed by electricians
for electricians what a lovely phrase that is as well it is and this turned up in the post well
let's have a closer look then we're desperate to see what it looks like it's an sla prototype uh i
mean there's a lot of details in it it looks remarkably similar to obviously the format
now i haven't delved into the bs regulation for ceiling roses but i can imagine there's
some standard things in there about the size about the uh obviously the strain relief and obviously
the fixings and things like that so looks like this uh should we suggest juego inspired one
that has gone down that route it it looks beautiful yeah that's the first thing i said when
we got it very tactile very beautiful and we would argue that the innovation in a batten lamphold or
a ceiling rose and pendant over the last 20 years is zero would you suggest yeah i mean i would say
i'd suggest yeah thinner material maybe less brass okay etc yeah innovation-wise yeah
yeah terminals seem to in some ways gone backwards they do yeah holes get smaller etc so of
course we've got the Wago 221's in that and we love a 221 well what else do we love about
it well we've got a downlight here that we did a review on this is the F-type from Luceco and
of course there's loads of great features about it but the connections are so if i bring this in
here you can have another connecting moment for me yeah so what's the order of these terms yeah um uh
now now oh you've lost my sleeve and all right even back on things we're gonna do with some
thinner sleeves you've got it around the right way uh yes uh no i have no you haven't turned it over
yeah so you can just push those in there yeah firmly into position yeah yeah and we like that
don't we so everyone likes that yeah so it means you go to a downight cables hanging there you've
got probably a couple of tools and obviously it's fitted yeah and that's great it's speeded up the
process of installing downloads now this is where we want your help and feedback is the speed of
installing a ceiling rose and pendant that crucial when maybe there's only one per room that using
a wago 221 would be a benefit to you as an electrical contractor okay so
there's the first question there'll be another question we'll pose later on as well won't we
yeah well i guess obviously we've got this innovation in it looks almost like it could
be used so it's time to pass it over to our team in-house installer to see how we got on
that's my great pleasure to introduce possibly the first one of these ever to be fitted gordon
well here we go so you've got the head torch in for this as well yeah just for the first spit yeah
give it a little debut on the channel actually being used i thought you'd like to work in the
dark well yeah he thinks you feel like you're in the dark most of the time so here we go Ideal
Industries twin and earth strippers check out the review on them if you haven't seen them and what's
great about these we're so used to using them with download somewhere because obviously it's two
tools then isn't it it's stripped like this set set side cutters and you finish but obviously with
a standard ceiling rose and pendant you obviously got a screwdriver as well but not in this case
so cables are ready just need to start the dressing in process i've twisted that one
around to get it lined up as we would normally once i've got them lined up i can obviously start
cutting back the conductors i'll start with the switching line first
open out all my uh Wago 221's that's it would you need to do that can you not just push
the wires in here you can just push them because they're solid conductors however with the amount
of room and you've got to remind where the camera is positioned in relationship to my hands i'm
working around it to try and give you the best view i've gone with lifting them to obviously
make it fraction easier to get them in but yeah you're right you could do that so look at that
oh something satisfying about that and all we're gonna do now is yeah just position it and pop it
in and you're quite right i didn't have to lift the lever but that's pretty easy isn't it yeah
yeah so here we go so my looping terminals next my three lines going in there clearly get them
as short as possible so if anyone comes along with a decorative thing later you're going to
make their job harder well it's the amount i've pushed into the ceiling i think you'll find it'll
be quite satisfying to the person following me that it'll drop down it'll be on the floor there
that long i think in the ceiling so yeah just uh swooping into position again so you see no
screwdriver whatsoever just those uh side cutters and these ideal industries twin and strippers
just pop my three into my loop and then uh move on again would suggest the CPCs are a little bit
interesting when we get to those gonna obviously leave them in one bit yeah well it is a new build
i would suggest that's a way forward and it makes testing a real treat especially for fault finding
no i've just got to think creatively about how i'm going to do that this is the first
time i've ever fitted one so i'm learning as i go the best practice in order to
to make the connection so obviously loops nice and straight forward we've got two neutrals to make those
connections and then you look at the cpcs there on the left-hand side i've got to make some sort of
connection now which is a little bit over the top i would suggest yeah just for the other position
that obviously it must be in the british standard of the ceiling ros has to be a specific size
yeah absolutely but it's got a lot more connectors on the cpc which obviously we'll talk on the bench
top about so pop my neutrals in and then i'm ready to attack um those cpcs or at least dress them
accordingly so that's that open them out as i did before and then we're ready to oversleep three
pieces you'll notice there you go yeah generous yeah surprised everybody there didn't i um i've
just swerved them along and then back in i could have gone straight over the top i just wanted to
leave them that little bit longer so I've come away from it and I'm going to curl them back in
so I just pop the three of these CPC's in in the the appropriate place I try not to cross them over too
much i think i went back and adjusted one of them because it was slightly crossed at the end so when
you see the final footage of this i've actually moved the cpc around to make it lay better just my
ocd playing me up i would suggest so if you look there that one there i'll swap those two over next
time around you see the image that's it cpc is in let's give a little dressing see ceiling rows
completed there we go looks great yeah it was and easy to do as you expect using the two two ones
well that looked easy gary the hardest thing was actually maneuvering around the camera because
obviously i tried to put the camera in the best possible position so you could obviously you know
see those kinds of i quite enjoyed watching the footage back it was uh quite exhilarating to see
them going into those connecting points three tools only so possibly dry screwdriver in order
to secure it to seating that's all as it always goes we used a twin and earth strippers and i had
to cut them back to length i used a set of side cutters so we'll remove that terminal screwdriver
in those connecting points however can we get enough cables in there gordon
uh yeah so obviously scopes with a standard loop in loop out arrangement but there's always that
scenario isn't it where there's a loop in loop out and an additional light fitting connected through
um through the ceiling device yeah or somebody wants to branch off to a loft light all of a
sudden now in this system you'd have to find the end point and not necessarily that the lighting
point that's directly under it from a domestic dwelling point of view so yeah that that was the
one thing we said and hopefully you'd spotted that as well that you're going to be limited by
getting an extra circuit on top of the standard uh three cables going in yeah now obviously this uh
some other options isn't it as well because obviously we know we've also featured the
screwless terminal block for central heating systems 207 4301 if my mind serves me rightly
on the part numbers wow yeah yeah this one here ledged in my head so yeah so check out that video
if you haven't seen it but that has the option where you buy the chassis right and then you
pre-load it with the connectors that you need so could we obviously we'll come on to that big
question at the end but would an option be that you obviously buy the chassis and then clip in
the terminals that you need because you might be using a different not be doing a loop in loop out
oh no you might be using the two plate method you might be using the feed through the switch method
which was new to me about three weeks ago so yeah okay there's lots of other methods out there
yeah so that's obviously some other options could be in there so what is that question
what is that question is we're going to ask you and in the comments below what would you pay
to have a ceiling rose that also had the ability to have two two ones installed within it to make
your life a little bit easier i'm not suggesting it's going to revolutionize the speed of in
installing these it's going to be a little bit quicker it's probably going to be a little bit
easier to connect testing would be maybe i don't know would it be easier or a little bit
more challenging there's a little test probe in there yeah again you know there are things
we want to consider how much would you pay to have one of these as a ceiling rose and pendant
considering are we suggesting you get change out of a pound maybe for one of these thereabouts yeah
they're pretty cheap and what's the first thing people do in a lot of houses when they move in
is obviously drop them out drop them out and put in so does that make life easier
we have also seen ideas for people i have for putting them obviously adapter plates that go
over these so does that make it easier for the homeowner is that a good thing is that a bad
thing contentious issue that was some feedback we had on the socket that screwless terminals
make it easier for uh for diy dave to get involved yeah or doris depending on who they are so yeah
because don't say it's de-skilling it but a little bit ears isn't it just push them in to go so
they're the sort of things we want back anything we've missed again leave it in the comments and
we'd like to think that as a community we can all answer those we don't necessarily have to
answer every single one of them we try and answer as many as we can but it's your feedback and your
input at this stage that could mean that this goes into full production or maybe the feedback's
taken on board and actually they readdress whether they're going to make them or not