NORWAY.
THE MAN WHO PERPETRATED THE BIGGEST ACT OF TERRORISM IN
NORWAY, HE KILLED 69 YOUNG POLITICAL ACTIVISTS AT A
YOUTH CAMP AND THEN ALSO BLEW UP A BOMB IN A GOVERNMENT BUILDING.
HE WENT TO PRISON AND HE HAS BEEN THERE SINCE 2011.
HE COMPLAINED ABOUT HIS PRISON STATUS AND HOW HE WAS BEING
TREATED UNFAIRLY.
THAT IS HIM.
HE COMPLAINED THAT THE CONDITIONS IN THE PRISON
WERE NOT UP TO STANDARD AND ARE IN VIOLATION OF HIS RIGHTS
AS A EUROPEAN.
THERE WAS A DECISION MADE IN HIS CASE.
ON ONE OF HIS COUNTS OF THIS MASS MURDER, OFFICIALLY
DUBBED MASS MURDER, HE WAS RIGHT ON ONE OF THEM.
WHAT WERE THOSE SITUATIONS THAT HE COMPLAINED ABOUT?
WHAT ARE THE LAWS THAT WERE BROKEN.
IT SEEMS LIKE HE CAME UP WITH ALL THE THINGS HE DIDN'T
LIKE ABOUT HIS SITUATION.
HERE IS HIS SITUATION.
HE WAS IN THREE CELLS.
>> ONE OF HIS COMPLAINTS WAS THAT HE HAD A PLAYSTATION
THREE INSTEAD OF A PLAYSTATION 4.
HE WANTED THE LATEST MODEL OF WHATEVER ñ
>>AND HE HAS MORE ROOMS THAN I DO.
>>HE WAS ALSO IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT FOR 22 TO 23
HOURS A DAY.
HE WOULD BE WOKEN UP EVERY 30
MINUTES FOR STRIP SEARCHES WITH WOMEN PRESENT.
IN HIS MANIFESTOES HE DID NOT LIKE THOSE PEOPLE.
HE WAS ALSO ONLY ALLOWED TO COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE
THROUGH THICK GLASS.
IN ADDITION, HE COMPLAINED OF BENDY PENS.
THEY WENT THROUGH ñ
>>THAT WAS JUST AN ILLUSION.
IT WAS ACTUALLY NOT BENDING.
>>THE RULING WAS THAT THE COURT HAS TO PAY ñ
THE STATE HAS TO PAY HIS LEGAL FEES OF AROUND $40,000.
IT VIOLATED ARTICLE 3 OF THE EUROPEAN CONVENTION OF
HUMAN RIGHTS WHICH SAID NO PUNISHMENT FOR HIM THAT
EXCEEDED THE NECESSARY LEVELS OF BEING IN PRISON.
IF THE STATE DOESN'T APPEAL IN FOUR WEEKS THEY MUST ALLOW
HIM TO COMMUNICATE WITH OTHER PEOPLE.
HE SAID THIS VIOLATED ARTICLE 8 OF THE HUMAN RIGHTS CONVENTION,
WHICH GAVE HIM A RIGHT TO A PRIVATE AND FAMILY LIFE.
THE COURT SAID THAT HE WAS NOT VIOLATED AND HE CAN STILL
NOT COMMUNICATE TO THOSE WHITE SUPREMACISTS.
THE TAKE AWAY IS SOME PEOPLE ARE ALLOTTING NORWAY.
HE BASICALLY HAD IT UP TO HERE.
>> JESUS CHRIST.
>> THAT IS THE TAKE AWAY.
>> I WAS READY TO GET MAD ABOUT THE STORY, BUT IN THE END I
DECIDED NOT TO.
THIS GUY IS THE MOST UNBEARABLE GUY IN THE WORLD.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT RIGHT-WING PRIVILEGE.
HE KILLED 77 PEOPLE, MOST OF THEM CHILDREN, 14
YEAR OLD KIDS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T LIKE THEIR POLITICAL OPINIONS.
77 PEOPLE HE KILLED.
THEN HE GETS INTO PRISON AND COMPLAINS ABOUT PLAYSTATION
THREE AND BENDY PENS.
NOW THE PEOPLE OF NORWAY HAVE TO PAY HIS LEGAL FEES.
OH, THAT IS SO GREAT.
HE DIDN'T EVEN KILL MUSLIMS, HE KILLED OTHER NORWEGIANS
THAT HE THOUGHT WERE TOO KIND TO MUSLIMS.
BUT THE COURTS ARE RIGHT.
THE ONE THING THE AGREED WITH HIM ON WAS THAT YOU CAN'T
KEEP HIM IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT FOR THAT LONG.
THAT IS TRUE.
SO WE ARE SUPPOSED TO TREAT HIM ñ
I THINK NORWAY IS WAY TOO SOFT.
BUT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO TREAT HIM AS A HUMAN BEING.
AS A SOCIETY WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER THAN HIM.
I DON'T KNOW WHO HE WANTS TO MINGLE WITH, BUT YOU SHOULD
NOT BE KEPT IN SOLITARY CONFINEMENT FOR THAT LONG.
>> IF YOU GIVE HIM PRIVATE TIME HE IS GOING TO RAPIDLY WANT
SOLITARY CONFINEMENT.
BUT I AGREE.
I THOUGHT AT FIRST THE WAY PEOPLE WERE PITCHING THE
STORY IS THAT HE IS NOT ALLOWED TO TALK TO ANYBODY.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS RIGHT.
IF YOU WANT TO HAVE EVERY SINGLE COMMUNICATION HE HAS, I
THINK THAT IS A GREAT IDEA.
HE IS STILL A DANGER AND WHAT HE CAN INSPIRE OTHERS TO DO.
EXACTLY WHO HE COMMUNICATES WITH, I THINK YOU CAN
CONTROL THAT TO SOME EXTENT.
BUT YOU CAN'T KEEP A PERSON TOTALLY SEPARATE FROM
EVERYONE ELSE.
IT IS NOT THAT DISSIMILAR THAN JUST KILLING THEM.
HUMANS ARE SOCIAL CREATURES.
AND WE KNOW FROM PAST EXPERIMENTS THAT YOU CAN
LITERALLY DRIVE PEOPLE INSANE BY DOING THAT.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM.
HE IS ONE OF THE WORST PEOPLE CURRENTLY LIVING IN THIS
WORLD, BUT WE CARE ABOUT THE PRINCIPAL AND THE RIGHTS.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE ACTUAL RIGHTS, THEN ALL YOU HAVE IS A
GRADIENT OF THINGS THAT WE MIGHT LET YOU HAVE.
WE ARE ALREADY PUTTING THEM IN PRISON, THAT IS THE PUNISHMENT.
YOU DON'T FIND EVERY POSSIBLE WAY TO TORMENT THEM.
I DON'T CARE IF HE DIES TOMORROW, BUT WE DO HAVE
CERTAIN RIGHTS AND CERTAIN PRINCIPLES.
IN A COUNTRY LIKE NORWAY, THEN I THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING.
THEY DO SEEM SUPER SOFT, BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT NORWAY GETS
A LOT OF THAT.
THEIR RATES OF RECIDIVISM ARE BETTER.
>> THERE IS A WHOLE ARTICLE ON THE BBC ABOUT HOW CUSHY ARE
NORWEGIAN PRISONS.
HE IS GOING THROUGH SOMETHING WORSE THAN THOSE PRISONERS.
HE IS AT LEAST PROPORTIONAL TO OTHER DEEDS, HIS PUNISHMENT
IS WORSE.
>> THE THING INSIDE ME THAT WANTS VENGEANCE IS NOT HAPPY
ABOUT NORWEGIANS PRISONS.
IT IS DAMNING TO MY SIDE THAT THEIR RECIDIVISM IS SO LOW.
FACTS ARE INCONVENIENT FACTS.
IN THIS CASE THE FACTS INDICATE THAT THAT PRISON JUST WORKS
BETTER.
LAST THOUGHTS, HE KEPT SAYING I DON'T WANT FEMINISTS THAT
ARE LOOKING AT MY BODY.
IF IT IS A THING IN NORWAY THAT MEN CAN ONLY CHECK MEN.
WHATEVER THE NORMAL RULES ARE, THEY SHOULD APPLY THE
NORMAL RULES.
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE
WITH RIGHT-WINGERS ON THE OUTSIDE.
THAT IS INSANE.
BUT I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT THIS.
EVEN AS MUCH AS YOU MIGHT HATE HIM, OR ALL THESE
TERRORISTS WHO UNFORTUNATELY KILLED REALLY IMPORTANT
PEOPLE AND HAD TERRIBLE EFFECTS ON THE WORLD, IN HIS
PARTICULAR CASE HE IS A FASCIST.
HE IS HAPPY IF WE TAKE PEOPLE'S RIGHTS AWAY.
DON'T LET HIM WIN BY TAKING HIS RIGHTS AWAY.
AGAIN, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE BETTER THAN THAT.