- I used to look at a lot of the forum stuff
and it actually really did
inform my character a lot.
- [Paul] Wow.
- Still look at it nowadays.
[upbeat music]
- The hell are you supposed to be?
[aggressive fighting]
- I'm vengeance.
- Hi, I'm Robert Pattinson.
- Hi, Zoë Kravitz.
- Hey, I'm Paul Dano.
- I'm Jeffrey Wright.
- We're going to talk about some fan theories
for The Batman.
- This is from
punitr1983.
'In The Batman, Rob Pattinson plays Thomas Wayne,
not Bruce Wayne.
In all of his interviews I've read,
he only refers to the character
as Batman, if at all.
It might be because philosophically,
Batman is the real person and
Bruce Wayne is the disguise.
But what if it's a surprise
for the audience to discover
that this is the alternate universe
where Bruce dies that night in Crime Alley,
and that makes Thomas angry enough
to become a vigilante himself?'
Correct.
[all laughing]
- Wow. That person could write that comic maybe.
Write that movie.
- Thomas died quite famously though,
- in the kind of lore.
- Yeah.
- Saying in a different part of the universe.
- Oh, an alternate universe.
- In a separate universe.
- I do occasionally say Bruce Wayne as well.
- So multiverse, the real story,
the Thomas Wayne story.
Then they can meet in a different multiverse
and both father and son
are like vigilante fighters.
- [Jeffrey] The Batman.
- This is now a pitch meeting.
You're now just like pitching the second movie.
- Fans are writers of this stuff
as much as Matt Reeves
and the writers who write these scripts.
- Well he's a fan also.
- Interesting idea, but not quite right.
This is from ImDOGGFATHER,
with two Gs.
'I think Thomas and Martha were leaders
of the Court of Owls in this timeline.'
- I like that one.
- Oh that's a-
- Okay.
[all laughing]
- Oh.
- Bro, you gotta go read Court of Owls.
- Court of Owls is the best one.
- It's good.
- I didn't read Court of Owls.
- It is good.
It's the first in a new run of Batman.
The first issue is insanely good.
And that would be messed up.
I mean, that's a cool theory.
- If they disappear when kind of
they're secretly running it
that would really,
really be very, very difficult thing
for Bruce to handle.
- Oh, it would be a nightmare.
- Which is fine,
since you're not Bruce Wayne,
you're Thomas Wayne.
- I was definitely kind of thinking
Court of Owls is probably gonna be in the sequel.
- Ooo don't say it.
- [Robert] It definitely seems nice.
I mean, I am literally just guessing
I just keep saying it.
- Court of Owls would be dope.
Good thing it's not in this film
- Or is it?
- Yanni's Nerdverse
'I've been seeing a lot of
the Riddler is Bruce's half brother
theory recently.
They are definitely connected through childhood
as Riddler was an orphan in the Wayne's orphanage.'
- [Riddler] I've been trying to reach you.
- 'But I would be surprised
if he's related to Bruce through blood.'
- Not bad, not bad where they're going with this.
- Similar taste in hats
or masks.
- [Paul] Brother from another mother.
- It's kind of the vibe.
- Yanni, how are you so sure
that they're connected through childhood?
Yanni's pitching other people's theories
and kind of saying, I don't think it's right.
Yanni, just see the movie.
- Okay, from
TxC,
'The real reason why he doesn't kill his archenemies
is because it fills the void of his parents' death.
It brings excitement as Batman
but the further he loses his close ones,
the darker and sadistic he gets without killing.
Any superhero and anti-hero would drop Joker,
Riddler, Penguin, etcetera in a second
but Batman keeps them alive
so he can continue putting them in jail.
That is actually
one of the things that I was really thinking.
I think he keeps going after
low level criminals every night
and partially he's wanting to relive
the trauma of his past
and rewriting history, 'cause it's otherwise,
you know he's not going after
a lot of the time
a corrupt president or something.
He's going after the same low level
kind of thugs that killed his parents.
He almost keeps his parents alive
by fighting in these alleyways or
alleyways, like Crime Alley.
- Yeah. That's good.
- I like that.
- Like that trauma loops.
- Okay. Shashank S Singh says
'At 1:15, The Sins of my Father?
Maybe this foreshadows the theory
that the Wayne family was involved
in some shady business.'
Maybe it does.
- Is that Matt's?
- Yeah. Matt wrote this.
[Paul laughing]
- Yeah.
- The Wayne's being shady,
the Wayne's connected to Court of Owls.
Boy there's something in the water.
- Yeah
- It would be tough if the Wayne's
were involved in shady business
for Batman.
- That's a good theory.
- Do you think there's something to it?
- I do.
- I didn't read the script.
- Oh, okay.
- Sorry, what movie we talking about?
- I'm Zoë.
It's nice to meet you.
- It is actually very,
I'm just reading this again,
it's extremely helpful
to have these fan theories.
I used to look at a lot of the forum stuff
and it actually really did inform
my character a lot.
- Wow.
- Still look at it nowadays.
I generally lurk,
sometimes I just get pushed a little far
and I have to respond something.
So when sometimes you just see
a quite abstract message going like,
just please just leave me alone.
- That's Rob
- That's me.
- Stop picking faults.
- [Robert] Doing my best.
- I'm doing my best.
- That's Rob.
- CrookedLines4216,
'Typically the death of the Wayne's happens
while they're leaving the movies
also, it's usually a Zorro movie.
Assuming 'The Batman' takes place in modern day,
and that Bruce Wayne is roughly 28
and was eight when his parents were killed.
Which would place the death of the Wayne's
at roughly 2002 which means the only
Zorro property out was a crappy,
straight to video animated film.
It's not out of the realm of possibilities
that Thomas and Martha Wayne were killed
while leaving a showing of Scooby-Doo 2002.'
- Great movie
- Who is this?
- This is CrookedLines4216,
which also maybe Matt Reeves username.
That's seriously insightful.
- Out there.
- Wasn't that one of the films
that Matt talked about he referenced?
Was Chinatown,
- And Scooby Doo
- Scooby Doo.
- Yeah. Correct.
- We might have to cut that question.
- It's too on point.
- Too on the money.
- This is from Project Alice.
'Anyone realized Selina's "9 lives" line
may actually be her various disguises
they've shown from all the trailers?
Great detail Reeves put into her character.
- Don't worry.
I've got nine wigs.
- I've got nine wigs.
- I like putting those things together.
- I do too.
- I like nine lives being different lives
that you have to wear to survive.
Not just lives that you spend in death.
- [Zoë] And different wigs.
- [Paul] I think that's nice.
- [Zoë] And different outfits.
- Yeah.
- Don't worry, honey.
I got nine of them.
- So, she's right.
- Nice, Alice.
- This is from Equivalent Inflation.
Batman knows he is a magnet for supervillains,
which he does in order
to gather them all in one place.
Batman is okay with that.
because by concentrating
all the villains in one spot,
he can limit their damage
and spare the rest of the world.
He rarely leaves Gotham.
- Were all the villains of the world
drawn to Gotham?
- Well, so like they saying that Batman
only became Batman to get the
supervillians to come.
So the supervillians existed
before Batman.
- And they traveled to Gotham?
- I don't see Gotham as connected to the world.
- Right.
- Yeah. So it's own world.
- It's a polis. It's like it's city state.
- So even though there's other things,
cities, metropolis and all this,
Gotham breeds its own villain.
- And, and I think the villains,
it always feels very personal.
- NFM says I have a theory,
but it's more of a feeling.
- Oh yeah
- [Paul] Batman will lose in this film.
He will finally break his one rule
and kill the villain in cold blood
and therefore become an outlaw.
Just a feeling.
I guess I see where that's coming.
They've made a deal.
Rob keeps talking about how Batman doesn't kill.
- So maybe keep thinking.
- I keep talking about that?
- [Paul] he actually will kill.
[Paul and Robert Laughing]
- Kill the villain in cold blood. Well.
- Just a feeling.
- Let's see.
- It'll be an interesting way to kind of
start a new telling a Batman that he's
just awful.
He's a really an awful, bad guy
who runs
the Court of Owls.
I've got a feeling that this movie will
portray Thomas and Martha Wayne
in a negative light,
like the telltale background series.
- What's going on?
- Another good one.
And Alfred has been
trying to keep that from Bruce.
They probably wronged
the Riddler's family somehow.
and now he's out for a revenge.
- It's also because the trailer,
yeah, there's the line about you lied to me.
- All these years.
- They lied to me, Alfred.
- [Paul] I see what people are getting this.
That's interesting.
That's pretty good.
I mean, I like the telltale stuff.
- Their antenna are definitely up though.
- Boy, Thomas and Martin,
guys, they were murdered.
Let's be nice.
[all laughing]
- [Zoë] He's so thoughtful.
- This theory is from Dr. Charisma.
As for whether or not the Court of Owls
will actually appear,
I think I may have proof.
The first shows, that the card
the Riddler leaves
for the Batman has a design
of an owl on it,
with the second showing a person
at the gala appears to be wearing a white mask
covering all of their face except for their eyes.
Wait.
- Weird. He actually is.
- Wow. The Court's trademark MO.
That's just a person.
- [Paul] He does have a strange face.
- [Zoë] I mean, I don't think they're
wearing a mask, right?
- They just might have a really small mouth.
- I think it's just blurry.
- I think there's a big light source.
- And they're pale.
- [Paul] and there's some.
- No, I don't trust that person's face.
- [Zoë] But I know what scene this is in.
That person's not wearing a mask.
- [Paul] That's Strange.
If the Court of Owls was at work
we wouldn't know it, is the thing.
- Yeah. It's true.
- It looks a bit like an owl there.
This guy.
- Oh, you.
You're talking about yourself.
- I mean it does kind of look like an owl.
- [Zoë] All right, Dr. Charisma.
- I would say job well done.
- Yeah. Thank you for your series.
Y'all are either very crazy or
very we smart or both.
- I'm really happy that we don't write
the movie as well.
- And it's clear, you guys are really paying attention.
- You're always sniffing out these owls everywhere.
- You know, there's a lot of detective work
going on outside the detective comics.
- Thank you for watching Fan Theories.
That was really fun.
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