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Bobbie Brown what you're watching right
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access for the foreseeable future my
name is Kayla and I am a creative
producer at masterclass and I've had the
pleasure of producing Bobby's class
alongside her and an incredible team
joining us today and I'm sure she needs
no introduction is Bobby Brown a
world-renowned makeup artist
best-selling author and serial
entrepreneur Bobby thank you so much for
being with us today oh it's so nice
thank you so much for talking to me of
course and you know before we just jump
in I wanted to say that you know I'm not
someone who wears makeup and so in
working on your class I had to put
myself in the shoes of the students who
would be watching and I got to learn
from you and I think that I got to see
how much about makeup is about choice
you know you get to decide how much is
just right for you and there's so many
different styles out there but your
style is really simple right well my
style is is so much about me because I
really do believe that people are
beautiful without makeup and makeup is a
way to help you feel more beautiful help
you feel confident I am NOT someone that
likes to cover up and change people's
faces I like to embrace and use makeup
as a way just to make people look
healthier and and ultimately that makes
you feel better right and that's so
important right now I mean the reality
is that so many people are working from
at the moment and that means that people
are either alone or with their families
and so I was wondering and I think this
is a great place for us to really start
is why should people be wear eye makeup
right now what can I do for us well if
you think about it some people wear
makeup because other you know for other
people I've always worn makeup for
myself for some reason it instantly
makes me feel better and clearly I don't
wear a lot I mean I'm doing this live I
don't know how many thousands of people
are watching and I really didn't put a
lot on but I put just enough on that I
felt awake I felt healthier and for me
it's so much about moisture how much
moisture I put on my face and a little
bit of blush that it makes a big
difference how I feel it's I look in the
mirror once and then I'm done but I
carry those feelings with me all day
yeah but I think that's spot on and I
think it's so easy to look in the mirror
and I know in my case but things I maybe
don't like about myself for making me
feel insecure some of the first things I
see and I think using makeup as a tool
to kind of decide for myself what's
gonna make me feel better it's really
powerful and empowering well us women
are lucky because we could do things
like color our hair we could which I'll
get into in a second that's probably the
worst part about you know staying home
is missing my hairdresser but you know
we could put concealer on under our eyes
we could put blush on you could throw
lipstick on and yes if you're someone
that likes to contour believes that you
look better you can you can do whatever
you want with it it's makeup and it just
instantly lifts your mood and makes you
feel better whether you're doing a zoom
call at home whether you are just by
yourself in your apartment it's amazing
what a little bit does even putting on
little teeny earrings makes a difference
right and you know I'm so glad that you
referenced our zoom call and we sent
down an alert that we would be hosting
this live session with you to give
people a chance to submit their own
questions and we received so many
questions and one master calls member
enrolled in your class named Kathy had a
really great one and she said that you
know so many of our meetings events and
even times with friends are being moved
online right
and so she wanted to ask you you know
what could we be doing to look our best
on camera well I've been doing a lot of
zoom calls I'm on you know some meetings
with some very young beautiful people
that just seemed to have wake up in the
morning in the hair just kind of falls
in place and others have hair in a bun
in a ponytail and craziness and it's
actually you know I think a very calming
time because it's everyone could be real
so maybe you see people dressed up but
now everyone is at home sometimes
there's babies screaming there's wild
hair but you know what do what makes you
comfortable I am wearing my Lululemon
tights and I'm wearing a navy sweater I
always wear Navy sweater people think I
wear black but I wear Navy and as far as
makeup I have moisturizer on I have a
little concealer under my eyes I have
some bronzer on my face and lip and I
usually do my eyebrows and a little bit
of mascara and that's it you know so
that's it but when you guys shot me I
had Hannah and Susanna doing my makeup
for camera it was way more makeup but
for zoom you don't need as much and how
long did your routine take you today oh
two seconds so I'm gonna just show you a
couple things now probably the most
important thing I have is this brown
shadow that I'm not you know talking
about brands right now but if you are a
woman with dark hair of a certain age
this is the most amazing thing because
guess what you could just go and when
you open up the zoom you see it and you
could just go fill in your gray your
part it comes in all different colors so
and you can also use it as eyeshadow by
the way and then when I'm doing my
makeup and it just doesn't look right I
mean we've been in the house sometimes I
just take a little bit of a moisturizer
and the trick is you put it on your
hands and even after your makeups done
you just kind of tap it on your cheek
and I tap it all over and it just kind
of brings moisture to the skin and don't
forget your neck and honestly all I
really use right now is either that
brown shadow or a plain brown shadow
some kind of a bronze
and I'm using right now kind of a pinky
bronzer I know and the trick with the
bronzer guys is when you put it on blow
and when you put it on start with your
neck do a little bit smile little on
your forehead and when you're doing your
own blush the trick is look in the
mirror and just lend it in because you
want it to look like it's part of your
skin and that's really important and
honestly that's all I do I put a little
bit of gloss on my lips and sometimes
when I'm really feeling tired I'll take
something that has some luminosity in it
which is just a little bit of Sheen I
don't even know if it you feel different
I don't know if you look different but
you'd feel different and that is it
honestly but I'm also lucky I wear
glasses so it kind of hides a little bit
yeah and you know what I think this is a
great opportunity to really set the
record straight about something I mean
there's a lot of myths about nude makeup
that is out that it's beige and I don't
think that's the case
it's not nude makeup is actually the
color of your skin but for some reason
nude makeup became beige it became
washed out it became one beige for
everybody and we are all different skin
colors I mean we you know I don't care
if you're you know black I don't care if
you're a Latino I don't care if you're
white we are all a range of colors and
we've got to find colors that are right
for our skin and for me the trick to two
everyday makeup is finding colors that
are the color of your skin it's not that
complicated once you find the right
things and I mean I think a lot of
people might wonder how do you find
those right colors not the easiest thing
I mean for me it's easy but you have to
make sure first of all you start with
your foundation if you wear foundation
and I'd really love people during this
time of being home to try not to wear
foundation or even use foundation just
to spot correct to you know if there's
any kind of little darkness you can
cover it but the only way to wear
foundation I cover this like crazy in
the class is on the side of the face of
and most foundation on the market
unfortunately has some pinkie in it so
it doesn't look natural so you'll see it
on the side of the face and that's why
sometimes people have to mix their own
with a few different colors but once you
put it on it should just blend in and I
don't think people need foundation all
over presenta just looks like you're
wearing a mask and that's just not my my
opinion it's not the most beautiful
aesthetic I love people's skin
I love healthy skin right and I think
you know once you find the colors that
work for you you don't need a whole
bunch of products because there are so
many out there on the market yes I think
you've shown in your in your class you
kind of allude to a number of different
tricks like you mentioned already using
eyeshadow in your hair when you need to
touch up can you share a few more maybe
tips and tricks like that sure you know
there's so many lipstick by the way you
could you buy a lipstick it might not be
the right color for you you're you know
maybe you ordered a same color a friend
had but you could take it and you can
share it down you could stain it on your
lips you could rub your fingers together
and put it on your cheeks for shoots we
put it on people's eyes I don't
recommend that to people because it
sometimes could get in your eyes so its
might not feel good but you can use
things for different ways bronzers I
don't see why you can't put on your eyes
you know it's sometimes the color is too
orange so depending what color you have
you could try it that way
and in a pinch guys you could take even
the bronzer mix it with a little bit of
gloss and stain it on your lips so you
know there's many things you could use
different ways right and I think you
know in your class you have a really
great lesson called the one minute
makeup and I think you know that routine
is helping people to get up on with a
busy schedule and go to work and for
many right now that kind of sense of
routine looks very different and so I
was wondering you know what is your
one-minute makeup look like when you're
working from home well my most people's
one-minute makeup is my 30 second makeup
so usually moisture
there goes on first you throw in some
concealer under your eyes your
foundation around your nose blush
bronzer on your cheek mascara brush your
brows up and you could use eyeshadow for
eyebrows you could use like a little
teeny brush on brow and kind of you're
done you know it's not it's not the
smokey eye it's not the jeweled eye it's
not the you know it's not even I shadow
really I mean people don't realize that
people mascara on and fill in your brows
sometimes you don't need you don't need
eyeshadow you can add a liner sometimes
you know when we're live and working
from home it's going to happen he's got
clothes heard there's some you know
people are walking around in shorts
boxer shorts well that's all good and
very real just like you said and yeah
you know I think a moment of the class
that I really loved is actually in your
introduction and you told a really
personal story about falling in love
with makeup by watching your mom and I
was thinking a lot about how you know
I've already said I don't learn any
makeup and I think a lot of men myself
included maybe have grown up and only
seen the women in our lives
wearing makeup and so I wanted to ask
you from your opinion um what can makeup
do for men and can you maybe share some
grooming tips for us as well well
actually some men do our makeup there
are a lot of men that are makeup artists
that always have makeup on they think
they've they got into makeup because
they felt better once they put it on I
personally don't like makeup on men's
skin I don't think they need it but you
know makeup is one thing skincare and
grooming is another thing so guys have
to grow and you know you've got a trim
your beard you've got to maybe put some
moisturizer and your beard
they now have all things on the market
you know to take care of your beard
though you could probably just use what
you use on your skin and men need a
little bit of eye cream men need
moisturizer and you know grooming and
that's and that's in my opinion that's
it
I've been lucky enough to do men's
makeup and grooming for some celebrities
in my career as a makeup artist I mean I
even got to do Keith Richards with the
black smoky eye so I've been really
lucky I've got I've got to work with
men's makeup that are being photographed
but in real life guys don't need it yeah
I think yeah I really agree I mean it
again it goes back to choice and what
makes each person feel comfortable you
know rock and roll by the way yeah men
wear makeup there's no question they do
smoke you know they'll do a pencil in
their eye they'll do it it's fine I
couldn't imagine going into a meeting
and having a man greet me in a suit with
makeup on I don't think it would work or
it would set me back and maybe it'll
change maybe I'm old-fashioned that way
but I don't think it's necessary you
know I think that your class speaks to
both everyday people who are wanting to
use makeup mm-hmm excuse me to feel
better about themselves and also
professional and aspiring makeup artists
and a lot of artists right now but
basically right now because so many
people are stuck at home they might not
be able to physically go out and work
and so I wanted to get to you about what
can these artists do who are looking for
ways to work virtually well that is a
really good question I am someone that
supports my fellow artists and you know
I'm not even talking about getting paid
at the moment but there are ways that
artists could continue working whether
it's working on your Instagram putting
your photos up there working on your
website so when things do get back to
normal you'll be able to have something
that you're really proud of certainly
make connections on your social media
and I actually spoke to a woman earlier
there who works at a department store
and his feeling you know such a loss
that she's missing her customers I said
why don't you go and do a class online
for your customers and they could feel
part they could follow along at home I
mean this is the time for
all entrepreneurs out there to figure
out how to reach people how to offer
something that people are not offering
i-i know physical therapists that are
bringing their business online i know
chefs that are having you know cooking
lessons so i think that for an
entrepreneurial makeup artist you could
probably figure out how to offer at a
very very affordable reasonable price
one-on-one lessons that you could do or
group lessons so you just got to keep
doing things and you know we don't know
if this is going to be two weeks two
months three months we have no idea but
the more you keep occupied and busy and
work on your your craft and you work on
your positivity and your mood it really
is is gonna pay off in the long run and
and i think that's a really great point
and what are some things that you're
doing to really you know keep practicing
your craft during this period well it's
really funny i don't know what i'm so
busy with but i get phone calls every
day about doing things online i you know
i to an hour ago i did an online talk
for someone i you know i have magazines
from harper's bazaar - el india that
have reached out i've done a you know
with havens kitchen which is a cooking
school in new york we did an instagram
live where I opened up my kitchen and
they taught me how to cook my leftovers
so there's so many things out there and
I'm watching a lot of things you know
you're on your Instagram and all of a
sudden this one's going live that one's
going live and you know there's a lot to
learn right now and one of the things I
am so grateful to be able to have
produced a masterclass because a lot of
people now that hadn't heard about it
are telling their they're texting me or
emailing me or DME me I'm saying I
finally had the time to see the master
class and I learned so much so I think
you know this is an amazing time for
everyone out there to you know deep dive
in those amazing master lessons well I
that's really special for me to hear so
thank you for that and I think your
class is really something to be proud of
it
it shows people that there are options
there are so many different ways to
achieve so many different looks and you
really do break it down step by step I'm
basically a simple person and I like to
teach simple things to people and for
for those artists out there or women out
there that have a different aesthetic
and like a different look
my my my advice would be learn the
basics and you know what relearn the
basics I never stop learning there's
always new ways for me to figure out how
to do things there's new ways that I
learned from other makeup artists out
there there's other there's so many
products on the market that are new and
different that are really interesting
and so it's really the time to go back
learn the basics and then once you like
learn those basics you can go apply
anything you want and an experiment you
know with with any of your looks I
showed some experimenting on our master
class how to do you know how to just let
yourself go I took it a little too far
but I we did it yeah and I think you
know um to follow up on this idea of
experimentation for artists out there
who are trying to build a portfolio what
do you think makes a great portfolio for
a working makeup artist today and how
can they use this time of
experimentation to make it even better
well I for me a good portfolio is
someone that shows diversity someone
that could take someone and make them
look like they wear absolutely no makeup
take someone in different situations
studio daylight all you know all the
different ways that you could show
people different light and and show a
range show an editorial side so you know
what you did on a regular person what
you did on a model and a portfolio
should be if you are someone that hasn't
done magazine work just I don't care if
you do an Instagram I don't care if you
create an Instagram of all your
different looks but show diversity and
show scale you know different skin
colors different you know changing
people's faces before and after
there's nothing I like better than a
split screen with no makeup and with the
finish makeup that really shows Talent
yeah and for kind of everyday people
that might have a preference like I
think I believe you do to actually go
into makeup counters and talk to people
and try different makeups if you're
ordering makeup online do you have any
tips for what to look for and find high
quality makeup well it's interesting
because I'm sure many people including
myself has seen things on websites or
Instagram and order it and then it
arrives and it doesn't look so good
so first of all you could send it back
number one but number two you know it's
unfortunately it's hit or miss but
there's so many great things offered at
reasonable prices now there's really
with the new indie brands there's so
many different price points you know
there's the high-end price points that
hopefully you'll get to go back into a
department store and touch things or a
Sephora or an Ulta where you can
actually touch things or reorder what
you like but basically you have to kind
of you know know what color range you're
in so it's not always that easy it's
easier to order skincare but there's
nothing like being able to touch it
absolutely and I want to take a moment
for those of you just joining us this is
masterclass live a new series of events
on the master glass platform where
members can interact with master class
instructors and outside experts to take
the learning beyond our video streaming
classes workbooks and the app in light
of current events these sessions are
going to me be made available for
everyone members and non-members to
access today we're here with Bobbi Brown
who is teaching who her class is
teaching
makeup and beauty so Bobbi I want to
take a moment to say you know you joined
the master class family in November
what's been going on since then outside
of current circumstances but what have
you been working on well my experience
is doing the master class was absolutely
unbelievable when I got the call from
you guys and asked me to do it I
couldn't believe it
working with your teams I've never
worked with a production team like
masterclass I will I will say and the
amount of talent and people that came
and honestly we spent five days together
and you know we're we're like old
friends I mean it's you deep dive you
every single you know professor every
single teacher that does masterclass you
have to trust because you just throw
yourself there and you just have to
trust the people that are creating this
masterpiece basically so since I did the
master class my my social has
skyrocketed you know comments from
people asking for more you know more
lessons and has been great and so it's
for me it's been really exciting because
yes I am an entrepreneur yes I have
different businesses but basically I'm a
makeup artist what I love to do is be in
a studio with my team my Posse and
create things so it's really given me
this you know excitement to be able to
continue my craft so I am very grateful
to master class I'm also you know
working on evolution 18 which is a
wellness brand and for me beauty health
wellness is something that really works
together because I've always decided for
the past you know 25 years the better
you take care of yourself on the inside
the better you'll look on the outside
and you won't need as much makeup and
you will just look better so for me it
goes hand-in-hand right and can you tell
us a little bit more about what is
evolution 18 and what does it offer for
people evolution 18 is a wellness brand
as I said it
they are supplements and they're
everything from collagen to hyaluronic
acid we even we even have a CBD gummy
which has been very helpful it's called
chill one of my favourite products we
have another one called de bloat which
actually says on the package helps you
fit into a little black dress so a lot
of these things I kind of made for
myself but I know that you know like
like my women that I work with
with my customers myself my friends my
sister we all share the same kind of
issues and and guys too
I mean guys get bloated too if they had
too much fun the night before so I just
I put these really great ingredients
together that really are supplements to
a healthy diet because I am now I am a
health coach I went back to school to
the Institute of Integrative Nutrition
after I left the you know the brand that
I found it three and a half years ago
and I got my degree as a health coach
and I've kind of gone full circle from
being in the beauty business to being in
the wellness business and I'm feel like
I'm back being a makeup artist so I'm
pretty happy I really love that and I
think it's very true that makeup and
health and wellness all go hand in hand
and I know when we were on set together
we talked quite a bit about health and
wellness and it's it's sprinkled
throughout your class but I know you
talk a lot about how important staying
hydrated is exercise going outside
things that seem to be really hard for
us to do right now for taking care of
ourselves if you have any thoughts on
how we can be keeping ourselves healthy
and this time yes you know it's funny
one thing people always complain about
is time I don't have time to exercise I
don't have time to see my friends I
don't have time I don't have time well
this is the one time we actually have
time so if you have not been drinking
enough water start now I struggle with
it I push myself you know I just pulled
out from my cabinet this bottle it's
called hydrate and it like you know
every time you drink it and finish it
it'll tell me on my on my device I put I
have lemon in there right now I have a
little bit of stevia so it tastes like a
lemonade sometimes I put oranges in
drinking water is the key moving your
body I don't care if you walk slow I
don't care what you do I don't care if
you hold a plank I don't care if you you
know whatever you do there's no excuses
now and you know what
turn on your TV turn on open up your
computer go to you go to YouTube there
are such wonderful yoga classes fitness
classes and just you know what just like
Nike says just do it it's gonna make you
feel better and you know what guess what
then you've got other things to do
you've got your housework to do you've
got you know so many things so if you
don't keep yourself healthy and feeling
good it's gonna be really easy to be in
a funk really easy and call your friends
yeah so important just to connect and be
connected to people and this is a great
chance to kind of go back to people you
haven't talked to you in a while and
check in but could you imagine if this
happened in another time where we didn't
have the connection yeah you know it's
there's no excuses now yeah and we're
more spread out than we've probably ever
been and so in touch with our friends
and family is harder to do but almost
easier to because it's possible yeah and
having real conversations instead of
your normal text conversations like I
would say even if you just with one
extra one person a day just call someone
that you know and love and just didn't
have time to to really spend with them
and so Bobby I referenced before that we
put an alert out to the Masterclass
community asking for questions and I
have a bunch of questions that I'd love
to run past you get your thoughts on now
we might not be able to get through all
of them today but I'm so excited to have
this discussion with you and we you
actually started to discuss this first
one earlier it's about Foundation and
Kirstie asks can foundation be good for
your skin or should we always try to
minimize the use of it well foundation
isn't bad for your skin I might not like
the look of most foundation on the skin
unless it's something that really suits
your skin and looks natural as long as
you wash your face at night it's there's
nothing wrong with wearing foundation
and guess what if you forget one night
it's really not a big deal you just wash
it the next day so you know foundation
is fine too we're just
make sure you take it off at night right
and I I know in your class that you
mentioned kind of the importance of
taking a break for makeup too and just
getting used to seeing yourself without
makeup on honestly I think it's a really
great thing to do you know whether it's
the weekends whether it's a day you just
put your hair in a ponytail put a face
oil on you know you guys know if you saw
my master class I am a really big fan of
apricot kernel oil that is only it's
under ten dollars that you can get it at
your you know grocery store your health
food store but you let your skin breathe
and that's really important too and you
know and you've got a self care doesn't
have to be over the top you can also
take the almond oil put it on your hands
you could put a little bit in your hair
you could definitely put it on your feet
and put some socks on it hydration you
know from the inside and the outside
really does make you feel better it
makes you look better yeah absolutely
and kind of staying on this topic of
healthy skin you know a lot of students
sent in questions about how to cover up
fine lines and wrinkles and I think
there's two questions here the first
being you know what would you say to
people who feel like they need to remove
these lines to feel beautiful and as
you're 62 year old beauty experts and I
spent a lot of my time looking at
pictures of myself both on Zoom on video
you know all over the internet it's
amazing what the right lighting does so
there's some times where I'm just like
oh my god and then I realize you know
what I am 62 I am healthy I want to look
like a healthy version for me personally
I'm not someone that shoots things in my
face
you know I'm I'm not opposed or against
any choices anyone makes I have chosen
to color my hundred percent gray hair
but I am making peace with the lines in
my face that's saying if I am NOT
hydrated and I don't have the right
moisturizer on my skin my lines look bad
if I am hydrated and have the right
cream on my my lines don't bother me so
you know being rested is everything and
think about yourself on a vacation how
good you look when you're on a vacation
try to try to bring that up in your head
and when it comes to um you know makeup
that I could put on to minimize these
fine lines and wrinkles what would you
recommend well there are a lot of blur
products on the market I don't always
think they actually blur they're just
kind of you know a little sometimes they
do but I really do find that moisturizer
and oil like a teeny bit of oil will
help plump the line so that really works
a lot and so it's really moisture that's
gonna make the lines softer to look at
and there's nothing that's gonna get rid
of them you know besides Botox then you
know sometimes people get Botox and they
look natural normal and fine and other
times people get Botox and they don't
right right and I know you know people
come up to you and say all the time that
I just don't know what to do with my
makeup anymore and maybe the things that
they used to do don't work for them
anymore and you know how should people
be evolving their makeup over time well
I think that a lot of things have
changed and I think they're gonna
continue to change you know more and
more people are are using less makeup
and more and more people are using more
makeup so you know there is the you know
the world out there that does like full
coverage contouring you know individual
lashes false lashes you know more
glamorous than I am
and that's okay so the trick is to find
what makes you feel your most beautiful
I have I have no judgement for someone
that you know looks in the mirror and is
happy with what they look like and it
should be you know different I am
someone I'm comfortable in my skin
especially you know recently more
comfortable to wear less makeup
so really the trick in life is to find
what makes you comfortable and people
always say well how do I become
confident if you're comfortable in your
skin that's how you become confident and
yes do I wish I had my hairdresser here
to give me like the best blowout you
know and have my stylist there to give
me the best outfit for camera but I
don't right now and it's okay and you
know I I know you mentioned contouring a
minute ago and in the class we touch on
it briefly and you share some really
personal stories about when you've had
makeovers done and they've contoured you
in different ways and that didn't make
you feel like your best self and
Genevieve is is a member of masterclass
who's senior class and was really
curious about you know why you do feel
the way you do about contouring and you
know what it can can do for people and
why you don't mother well it's funny
because I'm not a fan of telling someone
that there's something wrong with their
face so you know changing the shape of
your nose I find that if you're gonna
contour it I'm gonna see it on your face
I'm gonna see the brown and you know
what why does everyone have to have this
perfect little nose so but that's saying
if someone wants to put something on it
because it makes them feel better that's
fine and I've worked with many actresses
that not I have not contoured and
they've asked me could you please and so
I do it and I show them a mirror and
they say thank you that's so much better
I did it so lightly I'm not even sure if
it was there but it's important as a
makeup artist to make people feel
comfortable with what they look like but
I don't contour but sometimes I will use
bronzer you know just a little bit under
the neck because right now that's kind
of my point that drives me crazy and by
making it a little bit you know and I
don't have to blend it so I'm choosing a
color that you could just put on so am i
contouring
I don't know could I you know use it to
kind of contour my face I could what for
I'd much rather enhance and bring out
you know the cheese instead of trying to
make cheekbones that aren't there right
and it makes me think back to you in
your master class who shared a story
from early on and your professional
makeup career where you were doing Gary
Hall's makeup no I think you you kind of
learned what worked for Gary it was not
something that you had to be you said I
think that caught for at that time can
you share the little vessel sure I was a
very young makeup artist and I got hired
to do a cover of British cosmopolitan
with the uber supermodel Jerry Hall well
you can imagine I was a nervous wreck
and I packed all my things I arrived at
the shoot she could not have been any
nicer she was married to make at the
time and I did her makeup and luckily
she had her own false eyelashes on
because there was I was not very good at
false eyelashes I did her makeup it
probably took about 45 minutes we talked
the whole time and I showed her a mirror
and she said oh wow thank you that's so
pretty
can I just make a few changes and I said
sure she's can you hand me that could
you hand me that and all of a sudden she
redid her whole face like instead of me
being oh my god what did I do wrong and
be upset I realized it was an
opportunity to learn what she was doing
I did not have the ability to contour
the way she did it it was masterful I
mean she had worked with you know famous
makeup artists like way bandy and all
these other guys back then and she now I
I'll post the picture she looks
contoured
but beautiful but certainly not where my
aesthetic was and every time I did
someone's makeup famous or not I would
show mirror and I would adjust what they
want to adjust it sometimes it's an
eyebrow that one of the supermodels
adjust it sometimes you know they're
like oh it's fine oh it's fine they
don't even look they don't care
Isabella Rossellini oh it's beautiful
she didn't care she knew she looked
beautiful and you know in your class you
have a chapter specifically for aspiring
makeup artists and you do share like how
important it is to show a mirror to your
model and have conversations and you
know if you're a model
having your makeup done it's okay to
pull the makeup artist aside and have
conversations about what you like and
maybe if something isn't working how to
how to fix it is that right absolutely
well first of all communicating with
someone is you know it's a skill and
it's a gift because you know someone has
to be able to tell you they don't love
what you've done or they love it or they
would like it different and I learned
this early on I'll never forget I was at
a shoot with Cindy Crawford and I did
her makeup and she said I love it great
and the hairdresser did her hair and
afterwards she said thank you it's
beautiful and we left to go shoot on on
location she said to the hairdresser all
you don't have to stay hairdresser left
and and Sydney Cindy said to me
Teva brush I said all right I might I
gave it to her she goes oh my god my
hair and she combed it out and fixed it
but she was so kind to this artist that
clearly was a nervous wreck and did not
do a great job and I just thought you
know what there's a way to treat people
and you know I've never forgotten that
she was like that but you are okay to
tell someone and if you are a woman that
goes to a counter and gets your makeup
done and you don't like it well you
don't want to waste your time just say
you know what it's too much there's a
way to say it it's too much for me could
you show me how I could do it with less
just communicate right and I think it's
a little bit of a change in topic but I
know because I've heard from many people
that I know you know when they're doing
their makeup there may be afraid to go
in and change things because I think if
they make a mistake they have to start
all over have you experienced that no I
mean the
only time I've started all over was when
I realized how bad it was I had a couple
experiences early on in my makeup career
where I was once hired to do a famous
model Kim Alexis for a cover of I think
it was Glamour magazine and we had to be
ready for sunrise which meant you know
5:45 so we got up at 4:45 I met her in
some dark room did her makeup and by the
time the Sun came up I realized she
looked awful
the colors were wrong and things weren't
blended and I literally had a one second
gonna say oh my god and so I didn't have
to wash her face but I took a
moisturizer with a sponge and I kind of
took it all down and blended it and I
was able then to quickly build it up and
as an artist there is a skill at doing
things fast and figuring it out and
visually looking and being present for
years when I would do fashion shows the
models would be late we'd have to start
Anna would be in the front row or the
editors would be there and models will
be coming in from the last show and
sometimes they'd come in with the most
intense dark bright awful makeup and of
course I was hired to do a much more
subtle job and you have to quickly four
or five makeup artists attack take the
makeup off get them ready so you have to
be insightful you've got to be visually
quick and you've got to move on your
feet and be focused right and you know
when we talk about having to be quick in
that way Jessie had a question what is
your single best multi-purpose tool hmm
right here guys my fingers there's no
question if the foundation doesn't look
right I could put moisturizer on I can
go like this I could do all that if the
blush doesn't look right you could blend
it in but probably my best tool which I
keep in my kit is this little teeny
brush from a makeup artist from the UK
named Ruby that has three different
heads fits together it's in my it's in
my purse
you could use a fear lips for your eyes
for your brows so I like things that you
could
different things with right absolutely
and you know I brought up just a second
ago about you know whether you need to
start over or not and you know I have
another question here from Nancy and she
talks about every time she applies her
eyeshadow her eyes she says look more
bruised than smokey and so I wanted to
get your opinion what could be going
wrong there and how might Nancy fix that
to get that the look that she's going
after I think two things there I first
think that the color is wrong so for
something to look Bruzzi it maybe has
too much black in it could have some red
in it anything with red is gonna make
you look tired and it's gonna make you
look bruised so make sure that the
colors don't have red and I'm not sure
Nancy if you are putting colors that are
too dark for your skin because that can
also go haywire which is why when I
teach the smokey eye I teach this
buildable way to do makeup you start
with the lightest then you add the next
lightest then you add the next one until
you get to the darkest and it's layered
so it's blended it's the opposite of
blended you know blending is you take
something really dark and fuzz it all
down and that that's not always so easy
for people so if we start light and
blend up it is buildable and I think
that makes a big difference right and
for anyone who hasn't seen bobbies
masterclass yet Bobby breaks down how to
apply a perfect smoky eye in her class
step by step and I mean it I remember
leaving the section of our shoot talking
about the smoky eye and all of a sudden
realizing oh like it's actually it
doesn't have to be that hard right it's
it's not and by the way a smoky eye for
fashion shows are completely different
than you know an at home or a wedding or
a black-tie smokey eye for fashion shows
I often have to take like black
greasepaint and do like an intense kind
of you know really messed up smoky eye
depending on the look or an editorial
shoot so as a makeup artist you know I
talk about scope and it's good to be
able to do both
right and you know when we were working
on the smokey eye with our model Hannah
you know she had these beautiful blue
eyes and you're able to talk about
different color combinations that worked
really well on her and Lauren is another
master class member who's taken your
class and would love to know about other
color combinations maybe for hazel eyes
or other different colors well certainly
the Grays always work on everybody the
Smokies the greys you know from its the
gradation from white to black like all
in the middle if you think of a paint
chart you could do a brown smokey eye so
again you know going to look when you're
able to go back to paint stores or just
go online and if you look at the paint
you know they all have different tones
and look at a brown one look at a green
one look at a purple one they have all
the different tones so you could start
with you know the lightest color up into
the darkest and you know for hazel eyes
I mean you can't go wrong with Browns
hazel eyes also looks really great with
the right plummy purple but it can't be
too red if it's too red you're gonna
look tired right and you know color is
so important and I think it's easy to go
well actually let me ask you is it
possible to go too far with color I know
when we experimented on set in your
class you felt like maybe you did but
like how do you find that balance
between you know being playful with
color finding what works for you without
going too far well it's you do it and
you say wow that's cool oh well why
don't I do that wow that looks good and
then you do something else say that's
interesting and then you try something
else you're like okay and then you go
try something else and you're like oh my
god that looks terrible and that's what
happened I remember I kept building up
the eye and then I ended up putting an
extra blue on one side and then all of a
sudden I noticed that it made her eyes
look uneven in her head and it was we
were on such a deadline there was no way
I was gonna ask the you know the guys
can I just do this over again so I used
the mistake to say look to me it was
stick to me I went too far you know
other people said no no it's really
great no to me I thought I went too far
right and I think you know it's actually
such a cool insight for people to have
into not only your process but the
process of making your class you know
there are many different cameras on you
as you're working but we also had
monitors and you would step away to look
at what you were doing and kind of make
that evaluation on what you needed to do
yeah I was it was it was complicated
because I had one light on me sideways
and every time I put my head down in
something I'm like no you can't shoot a
woman of a certain age you can't shoot
anyone doing that it's not the most
beautiful so I've gotten really good at
doing makeup like this head up you know
the right angle but then you know the
concern is the model and then there's
cameras all over the place but what does
it really look like in the monitor so I
had two artists in the monitor I had an
assistant in the monitor but I still
needed to go look because I tend to see
things that other people don't I'm kind
of eagle-eyed that way but you know I
think the important thing for people to
know that are out there that are maybe
insecure about their own work those of
us that are artists makeup artists we
are not like these gods out there we are
we are human and we are learning and we
are not sure sometimes of what we're
doing is the right you know other times
we're like wow that's really great I
know I nailed that we're normal we're
human and just like you see chefs doing
these you know master classes and I am
the farthest thing from a chef I'm sure
there's times where they're like I'm not
sure was that good what do you think
we're normal and guess what guys it's
okay to ask someone what do you think of
this do you think it's the right color
do the eyebrows match so that's why it's
good to have a posse and build your
teeth right and you know we we all work
so closely together putting your clip
put in your class together because I
didn't you got your team was so
excellent with all the expertise on not
only the styles that you were trying to
show
but also your style specifically and it
was such an exercise in communication
and bonding and I think that was really
special to kind of look back on and see
how we work together and from your point
of view does that kind of mirror what
professional sheets are like when you're
doing an editorial shoot I mean it
absolutely does even though as a
freelance artist there's so many times
where I get hired for a job where I walk
and I don't know anyone and it takes you
know a while to get comfortable but it's
so awesome when you have your team you
have a photographer a stylist the hair
you know dresser the makeup artists you
know the the assistants everyone you
just work with together because it's
it's like your comfort zone they could
push you in certain ways or the or you
could say you know I'm just having a bad
day I don't feel good and and they cover
your you know they cover your back or
they say I remember when I was a young
makeup artist I was really good friends
with one of the assistant photographers
and he would come over to me and he'd
say you know you should really look the
mascara just ran down her face or this
and I realized I better get my you know
act together and go stand right by the
monitor because the assistants they see
it and that's when I learned you got to
be right there it was way before there
was retouching so we had to be good at
our jobs yeah absolutely and I have
another question from Tamra and she you
know we really love there's to be how
how do you effectively cover dark
circles under the eyes and I think I'm a
great like how do I do it answer would
really help well of course you start
with an eye cream you need an eye cream
because if you just put a concealer or a
corrector on it will either get in the
lines it will just not do the right
thing and so the trick is the amount of
eye cream depending how dry you are and
it's almost like you're creating like a
cushion for the eye cream to just blend
in together it's almost like you're
changing the texture of the concealer
the corrector and depending on what your
your depth of darkness the formula is
the key as my
as the color so I usually like one that
is either creamy but not greasy not dry
I find the wands don't work for me
because they just kind of flatten things
out and I don't like flattening I also
when I use under-eye pencils you know
corrector concealer pencils i it's a
creamy formula so it blends with the
moisturizer so the trick is to look in
the mirror and find something that's
gonna correct what you have if you're
purple in your eyes if you're black in
your eyes if whatever it is you need
peachy or pinky colors that's gonna
correct it and actually be too light to
wear by itself and then you choose
something that's one shade lighter than
your skin color put it on top and you
make sure you get it on the inner corner
of the eye and you just you use your
finger and then you let it sit and you
might need to go back and add more of
one of them but every day it's different
somedays you're less dark under your
eyes other days you're more and heaven
ask so what if my makeup is creasing
under my eyes so if I've done all of
that and it starts to what can I do well
if it's creasing you have either put too
much moisturizer on because it's just
gonna go increases and if you have lines
you know lines under your eye you need
just the right amount of cream that will
smooth the area and hydrate it so you
could immediately to fix it to not start
all over add a little bit more of the
concealer or the corrector and then put
a very very light amount of face powder
on top of it very light that really will
basically just change the texture and
make it you know make it stay will
almost lock it in place so that's
probably the best thing to do yeah I
think that's great and I was actually
wondering and again another little kind
of shift in our conversation I'd love to
talk about you know we talked in our in
the class about how beauty standards
changed and I'd love to hear from you
like what what is beautiful today and
from your opinion and you know what can
people watching do too
you know find this balance between what
is you know the standard of beauty and
what you know it's really working for
them because I think there's some
everyone's somewhere in the middle
people have different standards of
beauty and it has changed I mean when I
was a kid growing up you know there was
the role models with Barbie
you know the cheerleaders at your school
you know Cheryl Tiegs you know Christie
Brinkley clearly classically beautiful
and then you know I always talk about
Ali MacGraw the first you know
dark-haired strong eyebrow Beauty which
helped me realize my own beauty but then
as I evolved I realized I love women
with the strong nose I love oh you know
the women that have a bump in the nose
I love freckles upon the face I love a
gap-toothed I love you know just all
these different looks that so many more
you know ways to find beauty today than
ever before there isn't anyone that
isn't beautiful unless they're just a
really not good person in my eyes so I
happen to think that women who are mixed
cultures myth mixed skin colors are just
so stunning and when someone has you
know dark skin and blue eyes and
freckles
how lucky so you know there's so many so
many ways to be beautiful in this day
and age absolutely and you know because
there's so many ways to be beautiful
there's so many ways to kind of find the
ways that makeup works in your life you
know there's people that are going to
use it every day only sometimes
and then there's artists that are
looking for new ways to kind of make
their passion for makeup into a career
and I know we have a question from
Aubrey who is 16 years old as taking a
makeup artistry class
is trying to do just that turn that
passion into a career and I she was
wondering what advice you might give her
in today's age and what she did you well
my best advice is to definitely follow
your passion follow your dreams stay in
school graduate if you're lucky enough
to be able to go to college go to
college for the education for the
experience and just do makeup and just
keep doing makeup and keep figuring out
what your skill is honing your skill and
start doing your friends makeup you know
if you are you know prom do hopefully
we'll get to prom this year but whenever
we do you know volunteer to do people's
makeup and ask them their opinion and
just be focused on what you love and
keep at it yeah I think you know if
you're at home with your families you
can be practicing on your family lisanna
yes I used to do makeup on my
grandfather don't even ask how he let me
do that Papa Sam and what would you do
on him I mean he obviously just loved
you so much to let you experiment from
Russia Cart you know he had a car
dealerships kind of a tough character
all of his I think he was five three
five four don't ask me how we let him
dress him up as a you know a Russian
older woman and my sister and I put our
clothes on him and I made him up and I
just can't even believe he allowed us to
do that but we did and it was fun and
thank you papa Sam and everyone else
that allowed my 16 year old hands to you
know to do a bruise or to do whatever I
was obsessed with at the moment yeah
what a you know learning opportunity and
where the anyone watching can just
continue to hone their skills you know
it's just practice practice practice
exactly exactly well Bobby we are just
about out of time before I kind of do
our wrap up I wanted to ask is there
anything that you want to just kind of
talk about or say today that we didn't
well just for all of you guys that have
watched the master class and have made
comments and I you know I have to I read
them and I you know I hear you know the
majority of these positive amazing
comments and they mean a lot to me
so I'm really grateful and really
appreciative and you know I I read
everything so I appreciate you know the
comments and I try to get back and
answer things but you know with this day
and age if you have more questions you
know I would love to be able to answer
them so you know please keep them going
and my hope for everyone is health and
you know we'll get out of this guys
we're all in this together stay home you
know watch a lot of master class and
just keep thinking about the future
absolutely well thank you so much Bobby
it's so important to be able to talk to
you today even in this new way and
always very special for me to connect
with you again no thank you I can't wait
to go out to dinner with you and uh in
the in the soon future I hope absolutely
and so for everyone watching thank you
for joining us for this session of
masterclass live we're gonna be doing
these every week on Wednesday next
week's session is going to be with dr.
Neil deGrasse Tyson so please come back
and join us Bobby thank you so much
again we'll talk
you