>> JUNE 12TH WE WILL BE IN
SINGAPORE.
IT'LL BE A BEGINNING, I DON'T
SAY AND I NEVER SAID IT HAPPENS
IN ONE MEETING.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YEARS OF
HOSTILE MY, YEARS OF PROBLEMS.
THERE'S REALLY HATRED BETWEEN SO
MANY DIFFERENT NATIONS BUT I
THINK YOU'LL HAVE A VERY
POSITIVE RESULT IN THE END.
PAUL: THAT WAS PRESIDENT TRUMP
FRIDAY ANNOUNCING THAT THE
JUNE 12TH SUMMIT WITH PRESIDENT
KIM JONG UN IS BACK ON AFTER
MEETINGS THIS WEEK WITH
SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO
AND A TOP NORTH KOREAN OFFICIAL.
THOSE MEETINGS TAPPED OFF BY
VISIT TO THE WHITE HOUSE FRIDAY
WHERE NORTH KOREAN DELEGATION
DELIVERED A LETTER FROM KIM JONG
UN TO PRESIDENT TRUMP.
EARLIER I SPOKE WITH REFIRED
FOUR-STAR GENERAL JACK KEANE
ABOUT THE EXPECTATIONS FOR THE
JUNE 12TH MEETING.
SO WE HAVE THE REPORT OF A
LETTER FROM KIM JONG UN TO
PRESIDENT TRUMP, APPARENTLY
SAYING I WANT TO HAVE THE
MEETING, BUT NO DEMANDS AND NO
CONCESSIONS, IS THAT ENOUGH TO
GO AHEAD WITH A SUMMIT?
>> WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I THINK
THAT THE LETTER IS IN RESPONSE
TO PRESIDENT TRUMP'S LETTER TO
KIM JONG UN AND HE ENDED HIS
LETTER WHEN HE WAS TERMINATING
THE SUMMIT, GET BACK TO ME IF
YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THIS IS.
[LAUGHTER]
>> WE SHOULDN'T EXPECT MUCH MORE
THAN THAT.
WE HAVE TO PAY CLOSE ATTENTION
TO WHAT SECRETARY POMPEO IS
SAYING.
WHILE HE SAYS ON THE ONE HAND WE
MAKE GREAT PROGRESS, ON THE
OTHER HAND, SIGNIFICANT
CHALLENGES AND DIFFERENCES AND I
THINK WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO
AS IN HIS WORDS SET THE
CONDITIONS.
RESOLVE DIFFERENCES SO WE CAN
SET UP AT LEAST THE FIRST SUMMIT
BECAUSE LIKELY TO BE MORE THAN
THAT WHERE THERE CAN BE SOME
SUCCESS, WHERE THEY CAN AT LEAST
AGREE ON A FRAMEWORK GOING
FORWARD.
THE PRESIDENT IS REALLY HOLDING
ALL THE CARDS HERE, PAUL, I
MEAN, HE DOESN'T NEED THE SUMMIT
AS MUCH AS THE NORTH KOREANS
NEED IT AND THIS PERIOD RIGHT
NOW, WE ARE GETTING UP CLOSE TO
THE SUMMIT, HE STILL HAS
SIGNIFICAN LEVERAGE AND I'M SURE
HE'S USING LEVERAGE TO THE
FULLEST WITH POMPEO AND ALSO KIM
SUNG OVER IN NORTH KOREA.
PAUL: SEEMS TO ME THAT IF
THERE'S JUST A MEET AND GREET
SUMMIT, NO TANGIBLE MOVEMENT ON
THE NORTH KOREAN SIDE TOWARDS
DENUCLEARIZATION, THAT'S A
VICTORY FOR KIM JONG UN BECAUSE
HE WOULD HAVE SAT ON THE STAGE
WITH THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED
STATES AND TURNED OUT TO BE KIND
OF A MEET AND GREET, WOULD YOU
AGREE WITH THAT?
>> I TOTALLY AGREE WITH THAT.
IF THAT'S ALL THERE IS, THEN THE
PRESIDENT AT A MINIMUM SHOULD
DELAY THE SUMMIT AND APPLY MORE
PRESSURE TO TRY TO GET THESE
DIFFERENCES TO CLOSE A LITTLE
BIT AND IF HE CAN'T, HE'S JUST
GOT TO BACK AWAY.
HE CANNOT GO IN THERE AND JUST
COME OUT WITH A FRAMEWORK FOR A
PEACE TREATY ENDING THE WAR AND
BRING BACK THE FAMILIES FROM THE
NORTH AND THE SOUTH AND REUNITE
THEM AND AGREE IN GENERAL THAT
THE SECURITY OF NORTH KOREA IS
PARAMOUNT TO THE UNITED STATES,
THAT WOULD BE UNSATISFACTORY
SOLUTION.
PAUL: OKAY, THERE'S A MERGING
HERE ON DIFFERENCE ON PACE OF
DENUCLEARIZATION, THE UNITED
STATES SAYING IT MUST BE
COMPLETE, VERIFIABLE AND
IRREVERSIBLE AND THE NORTH
KOREANS SUGGESTING THAT, WELL,
WE WANT THIS TO BE IN A FAZED
FORM, WE WANT TO YOU DO ONE
THING AND WE WILL DO SOMETHING.
IS THAT WHAT YOU SEE AS THE
BIGGEST GAP THAT HAS TO CLOSE?
>> IT CERTAINLY IS AND THEY WANT
TO DO THIS OVER A PERIOD OF MANY
YEARS, CERTAINLY THEY WANT
OUTLAST TRUMP'S FIRST TERM
BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW IF HE
WILL HAVE A SECOND ONE, I THINK
THE PRESIDENT IS RIGHT ON THE
MARK WHEN HE'S SAYING, I WANT TO
GET THIS DONE DURING MY
PRESIDENCY, DURING MY FIRST
TERM, TWO PLUS YEARS IS
SUFFICIENT TIME TO GET IT DONE.
WE CAN FAZE IT DURING THOSE TWO
YEARS, I'M NOT GOING TO PASS
THIS PROBLEM ONTO SUCCESS OR AS
IT'S BEEN PASSED ONTO ME AND I
THINK THAT'S A REASONABLE GOAL
TO HAVE AND WE SHOULD STICK TO
IT.
PAUL: AS WE KNOW, WE HAVE DONE
TWICE BEFORE, PROMISE OF
DENUCLEARIZATION OVER STAGES AND
BOTH TIMES THE NORTH KOREANS
RENEGED, STOPPED, KICKED OUT
INSPECTORS, SO, I MEAN, IT'S A
BIT OF A GAMBLE WITH THE UNITED
STATES, WITH ANY PRESIDENT
TAKING THEIR WORD FOR IT AGAIN.
>> I TOTALLY AGREE.
RUSSIANS AND CHINESE ARE BOTH
ADVISING KIM JONG UN TO TO THE
FAZED OPERATION AND PUSH IT OUT
OVER MANY YEARS FOR THE VERY
REASON THAT THE NORTH KOREANS
ARE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF US IN THE
PAST.
IT'S A PROMISE THAT IS NOT KEPT
AND THAT'S CLEARLY THE PATH THAT
WE WOULD BE ON IF WE BUY INTO
IT.
PAUL: CAN THE U.S. PRESIDENT PUT
THE STATUS OF U.S. FORCES IN
SOUTH KOREA ON THE TABLE TO
NEGOTIATE IN RETURN FOR SOME
PROMISE OF DENUCLEARIZATION?
>> YES, I THINK HE CAN.
THAT WOULD REALLY UNNERVE THE
JAPANESE QUITE A BIT BUT THAT
DOESN'T MEAN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE
IMMEDIATE WITHDRAWAL OR COMPLETE
WITHDRAWAL.
THAT COULD BE DONE OVER TIME AND
IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ALL AT
ONCE.
IT COULD BE A GRADUAL WITHDRAWAL
OF THOSE FORCES.
LISTEN, IF WE HAVE A PEACE
TREATY AND THE WAR HAS ENDED AND
KIM JONG UN IS DENUCLEARIZING
AND TAKING SYSTEMS, THE REASON
TROOPS WOULD BE GOING AWAY, BE
ABLE TO PULL ARMIES AWAY FROM
EACH OTHER IN THE DMZ.
THAT'S SORT OF A HAPPY SOLUTION
AND UNLIKELY TO GET SOMETHING
LIKE THAT, I BELIEVE, BUT
NONETHELESS, IT WOULD
DELEGITIMIZE THE PRESENCE OF
28,000 TROOPS.
I THINK THE PRESIDENT HAS IN THE
BACK OF HIS MIND, NOT INITIALLY
BUT EVENTUALLY HE WOULD PUT
THOSE TROOPS ON THE TABLE TO GET
A FINAL COMPLETION OF
DENUCLEARIZATION.
PAUL: WHAT ABOUT SECURITY
GUARANTIES THAT THE NORTH
KOREANS ARE TALKING ABOUT --
HAVE TALKED ABOUT FOR KIM JONG
UN?
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN
REALLY PROMISE KIM?
HOW CAN WE GUARANTY HIS
CONTINUATION IN POWER
PARTICULARLY IF THEY OPEN UP TO
THE WORLD AND PEOPLE SEE JUST
HOW THE NORTH KOREAN PEOPLE ARE?
>> WELL, IT IS THEIR NUMBER ONE
ISSUE, ECONOMICS, PROSPERITY IS
NOT THEIR NUMBER ONE ISSUE.
THIS IS THE ISSUE, IT'S THE
REASON THEY HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS
AND IT'S THE REASON WHY THEY ARE
NUCLEAR -- THEY ARE WEPONIZING
ICBM'S BECAUSE THEY WANT TO HOLD
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AT RISK TO
GUARANTY THE PRESERVATION OF THE
REGIME.
WE WILL NEVER GET A DEAL WITH
THEM EVEN ON THE BEST OF
CIRCUMSTANCES UNLESS WE ARE ABLE
TO CONVINCE THEM THAT WE ARE
PROVIDING A GRANTOR OF THEIR
INDEFINITE SECURITY.
KIM IS A YOUNG MAN AND HE'S
CLEARLY GOT THAT IN MIND AS HE
LOOKS TO DECADES AHEAD.