so it's been a little over a week since AMD showed off their upcoming processors
and graphics cards honestly there is just a lot to talk about
in fact I've actually covered all of the Navi GPU stuff in a separate video so if
you're interested in that link will be right over here but this video is a
little bit different from our normal explain series you see we wanted to put
a little bit more time into reading all of the information than AMD has bestowed
upon us with regards to Zen 2 and the upcoming Ryzen 3000 series processors
but the further we got into the information the same question came up
over and over again how does this all compare to what
Intel has to offer right now and our Intel Desa platforms really in a bunch
of trouble so let's just cut through the hype and get into this from a more
balanced perspective while I explained some of the finer points of AMD's
approach to third-generation Ryzen oh and yeah this video is gonna be a little
bit a longer one so definitely make sure to check the comments where x temps will
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let's start with the obvious thing about this whole intel versus AMD cpu wars
team blue was caught with their pants down when AMD announced Zen now what
could even be worrying for Team Blue is that Zen 2 seems to be performing even
better than anyone else expected including AMD they initially thought you
know of about 7 to 10 percent uplift in instructions per clock or IPC but it's
right now hovering around 15 percent but there is more to usually companies have
some issues moving to a new manufacturing process like Intel
sticking to their 49 meter for about half a decade now since 10 nanometer
just wasn't ready but with the new 790 meter technology aimed he has been able
to drastically increase density while also cutting power and of course
increasing performance per watt also do keep in mind that switching processes
usually leads to decreased core frequencies between one generation to
the next but somehow AMD was able to avoid all of
this and so there are new 7 nanometer basic views will have equal or higher
Quincy's than the ones they replace now if Intel was hoping for lower
frequencies to offset aim these architectural improvements well they
were clearly wrong but I also want to focus a bit on that density point from
before because it's gonna be really important in the battle against Intel
and it's key point to understanding how aim D can do what they're doing you
might have noticed that Lisa sue showed off a Ryzen CPU that looked something
like this with two smaller dies alongside one larger one
those small course are what AMD calls chip lights and they happen to be the
cornerstone of reisen's future remember I said that density matters well each of
those little 74 square millimetre chips houses processing cores cache and more
meanwhile the larger da you see here is the input output section that houses
things like the Infinity fabric memory controllers and device communications
dining a bit deeper those complex designs triplets or C CDs are super
small but the 7 nanometre manufacturing process allows them to house 2 quad core
a threaded Ryzen cores and 32 megabytes of l3 cache now when you add 2 of these
C CDs together and you have yourself a CPU with 16 cores and 32 threads while
other designs can be created by simply disabling course for example a 12 core
part can be created by including 2 core complex designs but disabling 1 quad
core section meanwhile an 8 core 16 threat CPU can be done by including just
a single one of these shifflet's alongside the cio D but the really cool
thing here is that in theory these 8 cores can keep being added or removed to
create all kinds of different products now for Intel this could cause a massive
challenge since AMD can now use this modular approach to pack as many 7
nanometre cores onto the CPU and this will allow them to launch relatively
affordable and efficient CPUs with higher thread counts that could
potentially overcome some of intel's most expensive h EDD processors a
perfect example of that would be the upcoming Ryzen 9 3950x a 16 core 32
threaded monster that will go for around $750 u.s. I can't imagine the look of
horror on Intel spaces when the price was announced since their closest
competitor would be the I9 9960x and yes it goes
for a ridiculous $1,700 us now the new triplet approach does bring up something
a bit concerning and that is heat you see while the Ryzen 3000 series
processors seem to be really efficient concentrating heat on multiple cores in
a relatively you know small package could cause heat buildup we saw this
with Intel when they moved over to stacked 40 nanometer transistors with
Broadwell and Indy could face something similar now supposedly AMD's internal
testing proves their chips do run cooler than Intel's
and results like these thermal images seem to prove that but we will have to
test that out ourselves especially when overclocking other than
the 1350X I already talked about AMD's line up will have a bunch of other
processors starting with the Ryzen 9 3900X which is their first 12 core 24
thread CPU available for the aim for platform at $500 it's the most expensive
non-threaded for CPU yet but if you want something less expensive
there's the $400 Ryzen 7 3800X and the 330 dollar 3700X the last two
processors will follow in the footsteps of the 2700X by offering a course and
16 threads along with higher boost frequencies all of these have TDPS of
just 105 watts which is really impressive except the 3700X which is 65
watts rumors are to be believed that will allow it to overclock quite high -
one thing that should jump out right away is the fact that the Ryzen 7 3700X
costs exactly the same amount as the 2700X when it first launched so AMD
isn't charging a premium for their new architecture part of that could be due
to how similar the specs are between the 2700X and a 3700X but I really really
hope Intel is paying attention here while the more expensive 3rd gen Ryzen
processors will probably get a lot of attention or actually more excited about
the 12 thread Ryzen 5 3600X and 3600 Ryzen 5's are usually a nice performance
per dollar leaders and these newer ones don't look any different
remember they're competing price-wise against Intel's six core sixth thread i5 9600k
and the 9400 which should be an interesting battle especially when it
comes to budget gaming bills here you can pretty clearly see what Intel's
likely scrambling right now to get influencers on board and content for
their processors out the door when viewing the battle from this perspective
there's a lot of reason to believe that AMD will be a dominating player at every
price point but there's some areas where AMD may still be a bit weak and Intel
can capitalize on that more on that in just a bit
something else that I just wanted to highlight are the two new AP use in this
lineup the 3400G and the 3200G these are
basically updated Raven which ap use which still use the 14 animated
manufacturing process and simply bump the clock speed versus last gen 7
nanometre AP use on do out this year so these are simply placeholders alright so
I mentioned that in some areas AMD might need improvement you see if you
remember with 2nd generation Ryzen processors they tended to lag pretty far
behind coffee lake in you know single or life he putted workloads and because of
that gaming suffered as well now AMD things that they've addressed
that with Zen to when you combine their design enhancements as well as improved
clock speed consistency they're supposed to be a 21% increase in single thread
performance in a perfect world like Cinebench that is but what about gaming
well AMD has also doubled Ryzen 3's level 3 cache sizes and calls a game
cache more cache means more information can be stored locally on the processors
high-speed memory rather than being dumped on to the slower system memory
when you combine that with the fact that sin 2 can hit 30 600 megahertz as an
overclocked memory speed there are some big potential framerate boosts but does
that mean Intel should be worried yes and no on one hand AMD showed that the
Ryzen 9 3900X pretty much matching the 9900K
but remember the rides in CPU cost a few bucks more than a 9900K it's good
to see them being at an even playing field here and the game seemed
cherry-picked as well to show the best in Ryzen what's a bit more concerning is
the 3800X versus 9700K benchmarks because they do show Intel leading in a
few more cases but by how much well there's no way of telling just
remember that all of these benchmarks are at 1080p and if the resolution was
increased the gap would reduce by quite a bit
due to the GPU being a bottleneck now gaming benchmarks was one of Intel's
last safe havens against Ryzen but it looks like AMD is narrowing the gap even
further with these new third generation processors now when you look at it
overall there doesn't seem to be a clear-cut winner in the whole 3000
series lineup at least against Coffee Lake
I mean sure they do look better but a convincing win doesn't look possible yet
where Intel will lose and lose big time is in multitrader performance benchmarks
AMD can simply offer more cores for less money but there's one thing that we
noticed here there is no way AMD enabled Intel's quick sync support for
that Adobe premier test since with it on the 9900K would have dominated
everywhere else though the wind seems pretty convincing while virtual threats
don't scale nearly as well as physical ones in this test we can see that AMD
absolutely needs their core count advantage over Intel to win even though
that the 3800X has double the thread count as Intel's 9700K it can only edge
it out by a maximum of 37% wow that's a huge win given the price of each CPU
there are obviously some strong points in Intel's current architecture can they
actually build on that well just gonna have to wait and see now another key
selling feature of AMD's next generation platform is the x570 chipset
in fact if you're interested in learning more about that and the new x570
motherboards yes motherboards super exciting right you can actually check
out our in-depth coverage of MSI's offerings right over here but as we kept
digging through the information that AMD did provide us some things did come
up that were quite concerning with regards to pricing one of the most
talked about features of x570 is the PCI 4.0 interface super exciting
right now while graphics cards aren't anywhere close to needing the bandwidth
it provides storage devices can sure benefit gigabyte corsair and other
manufacturers have announced nvme SSDs that can operate and 5 gigabytes per
second which is absolutely insane PCI 4.0 also offers a lot more flexibility
for devices that need additional bandwidth so X570 boards will have a
lot more high in connectivity than either C390 or X470 the problem we see
is cost since the price of these motherboards is trending upwards
you see PCI Gen 4 twice writing requires upgraded PCBs for signaling strength and
many of these standard motherboards actually use workstation technologies so
that obviously drives the cost up another thing that's boosting prices is
the sheer number of features many of these boards have that's a vote of
confidence from the motherboard makers to AMD since they now feel Ryzen is the
premium product everyone hoped it would become but finding a lower priced x570
may be a challenge but to me what's really concerning is AMD's more
affordable b500 series and a 5 minute series that are nowhere to be found
during the last two Ryzen launches both chipsets were detailed right at the
start but this time they haven't been mentioned at all now luckily AMD has
almost complete backwards compatibility for Ryzen 3000 series processors but
there are some limitations if you want a more budget-friendly system around 3rd
gen writes and CPUs maybe look for a be 450 motherboard or maybe even an X470
if they go on sale honestly I really think the lack of lower price 500 series
motherboards will end up hurting the Ryzen 5 3600X and 3600 more than
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time is Intel any spot of trouble in the desktop market the answer to that is
yes they probably are you see MD has new CPUs shiny new CPUs power efficient CPUs
little bit cores and they also perform very competitively against Intel and
they don't cost a lot of money but until the biggest issue is that they don't
have a direct answer to AMD these 3rd generation Ryzen processors you see the
sunny core architecture isn't ready for desktop yet and even then on notebooks
it's only expected to come later in October but then again Intel did vaguely
announce that they're gonna come out with new core X processors which I know
for a fact are gonna be super expensive then again if you think about it
the Ryzen 9 3950X is a direct answer from AMD to that and remember it takes
years to build changes into a product roadmap and honestly Intel doesn't have
years or even months Zen 2 and some nanometers are here now and Zen 3 with
refined 7nm process is coming in 2020 so let's quickly talk about what
Intel can do right now lowering their damn high prices would be a great start
but sadly they've been completely unwilling to do that in the past first
they've got to stop burying their faces in sand and making believe Ryzen doesn't
exist AMD and NVIDIA battled it out for years
with continual price cuts until their next edition cards already and it would
work here - Intel isn't out of the game by a longshot but I think they have
stayed calm listened for too long if the Ryzen 3000 series lives up to
expectations their entire z390 platform looks like overpriced last gen tech now
of course AMD needs to actually deliver on their promises and deliver products
to buy on July the 7th but judging from what we've seen so far I think Intel has
a much bigger hill to climb so that's it for now guys and I would love to know
your thoughts about this whole topic would you still stick to your current
system or would you consider switching to 3rd gen Ryzen I mean there's a new
platform look appealing to you in fact if you have any questions or concerns
with these new CPUs definitely let us know in the comments down below and
we'll definitely make sure to check them out during launch day which is July the
7th it's certainly an interesting exciting month for us here at hardwood
connects but yeah definitely stay tuned and even retardo
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