if Christians would learn this one thing Christians would learn this one thing it
would change the world of apologetics and would change the entire dynamic between
Christians and Muslims in the entire world so you've got a PhD in philosophy from Fordham
University and up there you studied the problem of evil since then you have debated
on God's existence you have debated on the resurrection of Jesus a number of different
issues I mean you're one of the smartest people I've ever met this is true yeah
now you specialize in Islam what some of your favorite art do you have a favorite argument
yeah I do and I have I mean I have several you know III should make a list of like my favorite
arguments dealing with Islam but uh there's one that's kind of above everything else because if
Christians in fact if I could change one thing in the world of apologetics it would be getting
Christians to understand what the Quran says about the Jewish and Christian scriptures of the Bible
the Torah and the gospel because if Christians would learn that it changes everything right
now what we have in the world is in discussions about Christianity and Islam discussions between
Christians and Muslims the Muslim is usually on the offensive and the Christian is usually on the
defensive so the Muslim is raising objections he's saying your Bibles been corrupted Jesus
never claimed to be God Jesus never died on the cross the Trinity doesn't make sense and the
Christians are trying to defend their religion against criticism and Christians are rarely on
the offense of going after you know the Quran or whether Mohammed is a prophet and so on just
because Muslims are are frequently raised to have objections against Christianity whereas Christians
generally aren't raised to have objections towards towards Islam so but at the same time there are
lots of Christians who wouldn't be comfortable raising bringing up problems with Mohammed or
problems with Muhammad's character things like that they don't want to upset Muslims and so
there's one area that's sort of it's going to come up because the Muslim is going to bring it
up and yet it's within the realm of discussing you know the Bible but it's simultaneously a massive
problem for Islam and we call it we call it the Islamic dilemma dilemma is you can go this way
or you can go that way but either way you're in trouble right and that's what that's the problem
that Muslims face now notice Muslims don't say that our Bible was never the Word of God
they say it's been corrupted and the reason they say it's been corrupted is that they know that
according to their sources according to their prophet Scriptures were revealed to to the Jews
and scriptures were revealed through Jesus and through his through his followers so they know
this and the Quran in surah 3 verses 3 to 4 says that Allah revealed the Torah and the gospel and
so their passages like that in the Quran talking about Allah being the one who revealed the Torah
and the gospel now when it says the gospel or the injeel how do we know that that's referring to our
Gospels rather than the message of the gospel well because I mean you could because I mean we
use gospel in the same way right we can use it to refer to a message that's spoken yeah and we
can use it to refer to a text that we're reading but sir-- 7 verse 157 of the Quran talks about
Jews and Christians who were reading the Torah and the gospel during the time of Muhammad ok during
the time of Muhammad and finding him mentioned in our scriptures so this was talking about the text
and not not just the text is talking about texts that have been preserved since the first century
so the question is what texts do Christian have in the 7th century that's that's been preserved
since the first century notice this already just by knowing that this already rules out a lot of
Muslim objections saying that the Apostle Paul corrupted Christianity we were saying that the
Bible was changed at the Council of Nicaea talked in the 7th century Muhammad's walkin saying that
Christians and Jews still have the tour in the gospel right but basically here's the situation
Muhammad revealed through the Quran that the Torah and the gospel were the Word of God Muslims know
that but over time Muslims went to the Torah and the gospel and realized they don't line up with
this lump and so they were forced to conclude well our scriptures must have been corrupted
because they're inspired but they don't line up with Islam now the conclusion that they should
have drawn is these texts don't say what Muhammad said that they say therefore we're dealing with a
false prophet but by the time they realized what the tour and the gospel say you're in no position
to say Muhammad as a false prophet you get your head chopped off mm-hm so they had to just modify
their position but here's the problem the Quran does not simply say that Allah initially inspired
the Torah and the gospel but that they were at you know afterwards corrupted that's what Muslims
think that the Quran says the Quran affirms not only the inspiration but also the preservation and
the authority of Jewish and Christian scriptures at least through the seventh century yes at the
beginning of the stuff yes here's the thing we know what the Bible of the seventh century says
that's right because we have copies of it before that that's right so we know what it says and so
here's the problem right and just let me give some passages for people to to read so I mentioned four
a three verses three to four that mentions the inspiration of the Torah and the gospel
I mentioned surah 7 verse 157 which says that people were still reading it during the time of
Muhammad do something no okay don't you were we got a thorough 7 verse 157 which says you know
Christians and Jews were still reading the gospel and the Torah during the time of Muhammad we've
got passages multiple passages in the Quran which say that no one can change Allah's words Sarah 18
verse 27 of the Quran Sura 6 verse 115 say that no one can change Allah's words and Muslims will
look at that and say ah well that just means his words in the Quran that's not what it says it says
no one can change his words that's why you're supposed to trust the Quran because no one can
change his words well based on what Muslims are telling me people change allows words all the
time right Jews change it Christian's change it everyone changed it right so what so is
Allah lying there is making something up so you have these kinds of passengers and then things
get really interesting get sir five of the Quran chapter five verse 43 of the Quran some Jews come
to Muhammad to judge a dispute they were having and Allah is response to Muhammad is wire the Jews
coming to you when they have their Torah right so notice if the tour has been corrupted that makes
no sense it should have been it's a good thing the Jews are coming to you since their book is
corrupted he doesn't he says they don't need you Muhammad they've got the Torah and a few verses
later Allah says let the Christian let the people of the gospel the people of the gospel judge by
what Allah has revealed therein and if we fail to judge by the light of what Allah has revealed
in the gospel we are rebels against him right so notice notice the difference between what Muslims
say and what the Quran says the Quran says if we do not judge by the gospel we are rebels against
Allah Muslims say don't judge by the gospel it's been corrupted saying the exact opposite of what
their God says so I've got chapter 5 verse 43 chapter 5 verse 47 and then the verse after
that chapter 5 verse 48 says that Muslims judge by the Quran the picture that you actually get from
reading the Quran is that prophets have gone out into all the world and different prophets
have revealed different revelations and that the people need to use the revelation that was real
revealed to their people in their language right so that's the position of the Quran o Muhammad is
called the seal of the prophets he's the final prophet because the Arabs were the last people
to get the revelation everyone else already had their book so when you read it it's you Jews you
judge by the Torah you Christians you judge by the gospel that's Muslims we're supposed to judge by
the Quran and so that's the position of the Quran and even later in Sura 5 verse 68 Allah says that
Christians and Jews people of the book have no ground to stand upon unless we stand upon the
Torah the gospel and all the revelation that has come to us so it's commanding us we have no ground
to stand upon unless we stand upon our revelations one who Muslim say they say oh no your revelations
been corrupted why because they realize that our revelations don't line up with theirs so
we know that Allah affirms the inspiration and the preservation and the authority of our scriptures
that puts Muslims in a dilemma because there are two possibilities here either we have the
inspired preserved authoritative Word of God or we don't we got something is corrupted if we have
the inspired preserved authoritative Word of God Islam is false because islam contradicts our book
on basic doctrines like the death of Jesus the deity of Christ things like that so if we have
the Word of God Islam is false if we don't have the inspired preserved authoritative Word of God
is lama's false because the Quran affirms the inspiration preservation authority of our book
so if the Bible's Word of God Islam is false the Bible is not the Word of God Islam is false either
way Aslam is false and that's why when why when Muslims bring an objection to Christians and say
your Bibles been corrupted you can flip it right back and say really it's been corrupted well you
got a problem because a law says otherwise and you can bring up this dilemma and that's why
it's simultaneously a block of there objection and a critique of their prophet in their book
kinda reminds me of the Islamic catch-22 argument that I give about Jesus crucifixion and whether he
died so thanks for copying that from me know what you can actually take this and you can put you can
make all kinds of dilemmas right yeah I'm gonna go you can show any verse in the Bible that disagrees
with something that islam teaches and put it in dilemma form right so you can show where Jesus
calls himself the son of God or where he says that is going to be a ransom for for mankind and
guess what if there's two possibilities either either said that or he didn't if he said that
then Islam is false if he didn't say that then Islam is false for affirming that book and for
affirming the inspiration preservation authority that book so either way Islam just turns out to be
false and so you could take any issue wherever the Muslim objects go back to the Islamic dilemma and
you got a problem go I've often heard it said that there are two kinds of people in this world those
who divide the world into two kinds of people and those who don't I thought you were gonna say those
with bullets and their guns and those who dig oh yeah there are two kinds of people in this world
those with loaded guns and those who dig so what's that from good bad in the ugly right all right you
ever thrown that given that argument to a Muslim I'm sure you have oh yeah what's been the response
well I mean there are some people who actually end up converting to Christianity based on that
kind of argument Abdul Murray mmm Abdullah Murray convert it's not because we gave it to him it was
a resurrection right what he went through the same reasoning namely that the Quran keeps telling me
to go to the to go to this other book that this other book is revelation and this led him to to
the Bible right but uh that they the only thing they can do the only real response is they have
to say it's referring to some other gospel right one that we don't have but as soon as they do that
there's they're telling you know that then the next is to preserve it yeah the next step is to
point out that they're basically calling Allah the worst communicator in the world right I tell
them I said wait a minute you're telling me Allah comes and he tells us Christians you judge by the
gospel knowing that we're gonna assume that he means the gospel that we actually have and not
some gospel that we don't have and he walks away I said just imagine someone comes to you and says
you Muslims you judged by the Quran and then leaves and then you know centuries later you
find out oh I was talking about the Quran you have us talk about some Quran you don't have you be the
worst communicator ever okay so you point out those kinds of things they're also it's kind of
its kind of silly but they'll also take verses of the Quran completely distort their meaning
to make it sound like it's it's talking about the corruption of the Bible so there are verses in the
Quran that they'll twist and make make it sound like it's talking about the corruption the Bible
all you have to do is read the passage look at the historical background the Quran does nothing but
affirm the inspiration and the preservation and authority of our text and Muslims show me one word
critical of the gospel that is in our possession tell me one word in the Quran that's critical of
the gospel in our possession Wow well you've heard David what on this and man he's just a remarkable
guy and God's used in him in amazing ways so hey someone wants to get they want to see your stuff
of course you go to youtube and you type in David would you can see his YouTube channel anything
else that's it I mean if they can find other stuff in the you know if they click on a video
they can always go to the description box it'll have websites and other things that well thanks
for joining us for these and hey thanks a lot for sharing with us brother you know preciate you man
you