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and that is true crime very interesting genre what do you think when you hear the genre true crime i
love true crime i do too there are a billion true crime podcasts right now i feel like true crime
is really having a moment um yeah do you guys you guys listen to to that type of of podcast i do i i
i think the most interesting thing about true crime is the fact that i have heard like
sociological marketing research being done that links women being the most common listeners women
in their 30s and 40s oh basically us i'm such a stereotype um being the most common listeners of
yeah of true crime i think that's fascinating why is that do you guys think what is it about women
i heard this really interesting and maybe disturbing um theory once that serial killers
as far as like a husband or someone you would date are very appealing because they're all they're
usually they're very charismatic and they're people people right they're um they're charming
yeah charming right so i don't feel like it's that draw for me but i have heard that theory
that like women secretly are in love with the the nature of a serial killer minus the serial
killer part i don't like that theory at all right i don't like that that is fascinating
well let's get down to some definitions what is the difference between a true crime
you know series and an actual just a mystery what really is true crime let's let our listeners know
yeah mysteries are usually fiction it's just a whodunit you know there's a fictional maybe
a killer or some type of murder and a mystery when i read a mystery novel it's fiction and
you're trying to figure out what happened whereas true crime are actually events that happened real
people who have died you know about real serial killers who went on these killing sprees so it's
a very different level where you're listening to a story of something that actually really happened i
went through a serial killer phase in high school not that i was a serial killing oh god
i was way ahead of my time big big confession right there and then i was like maybe i'll teach
english this is different no career transition right i evaluated my five-year plan as a serial
killer and i thought that's not gonna cut it no guys she's joking just in case you don't know just
joking no what i mean is so i um i've always just devoured books books books and i really
got into reading like books about famous serial killers i know this sounds terrible but what it is
is i love the beatles and the beatles white album um famously or not um was like one of
charles manson's favorite tools on his commune they got messages from the beatles white album
and i love the beatles and i learned this sort of stuff and then i started i i read
helter skelter um which is a very cool book and then for school i had to read uh true blood
what is it no that's the vampire show truman capote in cold blood that's what it is i had to
read that for school and i just got into that like genre of books so clarify i'm not a violent person
okay yeah just so we know um what are some of your favorite true crime shows now guys tv shows
or books now that you that you're into are there are there any that you like to tune into regularly
crime junkie is one that i like it's each one it's a podcast and each episode is about one
hour and it's the whole because a lot of podcasts are like a series several episodes for one crime
and then crime junkie is one hour for the whole story sort of compiled so because that's a time
commitment to spend all of these hours for one story so maybe for those of us who have less
time crime junkies a good one i love it i love it michelle how do you feel about true crime where do
you stand on this i know i'm like trying to figure out how to jump in on this one but guys this is
actually good because you can still jump in on the conversation even if you are not into that tactic
right um so you can ask questions and things like that um how do i feel about true crime i i just
i don't know i'm like scared i'm a scaredy cat right like we like i i don't know i don't
like that stuff i don't like things that are gonna keep me up at night um i'm sure i would
find it interesting i do like mysteries i do like reading mysteries um but i don't really like to be
i think the true part would get to me um and that would be a little bit scary and then i don't know
so well that's so i'm asking a question so what what do you what is the appeal like is
it just like finding because i know what was that um what was it on netflix like making
a murderer that was one i remember that was it and some of them actually then they they
become popular stories right and then there's some influence in the case yeah it'll be open
because they'll be media yeah and there have been some convictions overturned or
serial killers found because or i just saw over the weekend i saw a guy on youtube who looks for
like cars that are have been submerged in water for years and years and he cracked a cold case
in i think in tennessee or kentucky of two teenagers that had driven or had gone into
the river and he took his boat and he was scanning the water and he said oh that's a car that's a car
that's the pontiac that they were looking for and they opened the cold case and solved it and
we're able to have a proper funeral yeah really interesting so this is not just movies right it's
on youtube it's people documenting it in live like in real time really good i think and i think one
benefit is um just awareness right for the average person who is susceptible to a serial killer who
you know if they're like oh come help me with this and you you're you know maybe pretty innocent and
you want to be helpful and you can get yourself into really dangerous situations i do feel like
the more you know about these stories and you find out how people are abducted and and what
is being done to lure them in the more i think you would not fall for some of those interesting
things i never thought of it that way yes now i feel like i have to listen to my life
could you just send me like a like a just a summary yeah list of like things i should
avoid based on what yes i will and on this the crime junkie one they have this um slogan sort
of where they say beer be weird be rude stay alive something like that oh yeah maybe i'm not getting
it exactly right but they talk about that all the time they're like this girl felt like she
needed to be nice she didn't want to see rude she hadn't ended up dying right so that makes you rich
right yeah exactly like if i i could see that that's a good point though right because as women
often women are socialized to just as you said be kind be nice go along with things so if there's
someone behind you and you feel something's off you're yo your heckles go up and something's wrong
something's not right um you might be more likely to just right we're not as likely maybe as guys to
just like you know cross the street or i you know jump around or just face the guy and say like what
are you doing why are you following me so closely right and that's that is a really important
message i like that they do that actually i you know i i think i'm only interested in the true
crime stories that um that teach me about history as well you know like um the devil in white
city that's a really famous book i have that book i should read it i have to read so good and like
it's like it's true crime but it doesn't read like true crime it's a novel about you know like the
world's fair in chicago in 19 whatever um there's a podcast i'm listening to now called bad women
the ripper retold and it's um it's not about jack the ripper it's about the women that were his
victims and telling their stories and so it's about like the rights of women in that period
how women were um victims or fallen out of society and there had no choices so like i i like the
the perspective that this i like the window this can open into history just through like one person
or one situation yeah i like that that's a good point do you guys think that in a way a true crime
could be a little insensitive to the victims or the families that have to kind of suffer
again as the show is created money's made off the show inevitably um what are your thoughts on that
yeah especially if the media attention causes more almost like paparazzi or more people to be
bothering them when they've tried to move on that's really devastating i think yeah
absolutely there's um if it is a i mean we keep mentioning serial killers but there's you know
crime it could be true true crime robberies like a lot of different types of crime right um but i do
think that people uh less so nowadays but people still tend to sort of victim blame victim shame
whatever the the term is right um well you shouldn't have been there you shouldn't have
trusted him you shouldn't have had a date right you shouldn't have worn that exactly yeah right
and so that's like that's what this podcast bad women is about like no like these are women with
full lives and like it's like stop putting all the attention on on jack the rippers like oh who is
he yeah it's so exciting like that's not our focus like we should learn about history a different way
not by focusing on him i love it especially there is probably a certain amount of um just fame like
seeking fame with these serial killers and the more we let their name be known and they become
famous because of it that that's going to appeal to a certain type of person so that really does
mean i wish we never knew their names it makes would that's a good point yeah i'll be sorry to
cut you off it makes me think of um the marathon bomber when that happened they put the kid the
younger kid on the cover of like gq or one men's magazine as like in a like with hair yeah do you
remember that i don't know if you guys heard about that it happened right around that time within six
months of the event he was portrayed on the cover of a men's magazine a very fashionable guy and
it was a major uproar like why is this this criminal on the cover of a men's magazine um
yeah there have been other criminals that i think have been glorified in that way maybe they well i
mean certainly it's like oh if somebody is like good looking you know people then i forget who
it was but there have been people who have been like good-looking i remember good-looking men
who then ted bundy he was a looker bundy charles manson too i think interesting interesting i think
about the once upon a time in hollywood movie quentin tarantino did this about charles manson
but he like changed what actually happened not like that which that's always interesting too
when it's like kind of true crime but then what if it had what if this had been different what
if something had changed but i think again what you said lindsay that i could i could see that
really being um horrible for the family oh my god see this and and be uh devastated all over again
absolutely different you know yeah this is a great topic guys there's a lot of different directions
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