>>> TONIGHT THE "NEW YORK TIMES" IS REPORTING NEW DETAILS ABOUT
IDEAS PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS FOR
THE SOUTHERN BORDER.
ACCORDING TO AN EXCERPT FROM THE
NEW BOOK "BORDER WARS" WRITTEN
BY THE "NEW YORK TIMES,"
PRIVATELY, THE PRESIDENT HAD
OFTEN TALKED ABOUT FORTIFYING A
BORDER WALL WITH A WATER-FILLED
TRENCH, STOCKED WITH SNAKES OR
ALLIGATORS, PROMPTING AIDES TO
SEEK A COST ESTIMATE.
HE WANTED THE WALL ELECTRIFIED,
WITH SPIKES ON TOP THAT COULD
PIERCE HUMAN FLESH.
HIS STAFF TOLD HIM THAT WAS
ILLEGAL, BUT LATER IN A MEETING,
AIDES RECALLED HE SAID THEY
SHOULD SHOOT MIGRANTS IN THE
LEGS TO SLOW THEM DOWN.
THAT’S NOT ALLOWED, EITHER, THEY
TOLD HIM.
TOLD HIM. SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS IS BACK
WITH US.
WITH US. YOUR REACTION TO THIS NEW
REPORTING ABOUT TRUMP IDEAS FOR
THE BORDER.
THE BORDER. >> I’M BEYOND WORDS, TO BE
HONEST WITH YOU, LAWRENCE.
IT IS OUTRAGEOUS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE -- WE HAVE A
PERSON OCCUPYING THE WHITE HOUSE
RIGHT NOW THAT IS NOT ONLY
LAWLESS, NOT ONLY PROBABLY THE
MOST UNPATRIOTIC PRESIDENT WE’VE
EVER HAD, WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO IS
MEAN AND MEAN-SPIRITED AND IS
CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT IS THE REAL
MEASURE OF STRENGTH AND POWER.
BECAUSE IF HE WERE CLEAR ABOUT
IT, HE WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT THE
TRUE MEASURE OF STRENGTH AND
POWER IS NOT BASED ON WHO YOU
BEAT DOWN, IT IS BASED ON WHO
YOU LIFT UP.
BUT WHAT YOU ARE TELLING ME IS
THAT THERE IS A REPORT THAT
BASICALLY HAS THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES ADVOCATING
WHAT WILL BE TORTURE, MAYHEM OF
HUMAN BEINGS WHEN THERE IS SO
MANY OTHER TOOLS AVAILABLE TO
ADDRESS WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO
DEAL WITH IMMIGRATION, WHICH, BY
THE WAY, IS A PASSING
COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM
WITH A PATHWAY TOWARD
CITIZENSHIP.
CITIZENSHIP. I’M BEYOND WORDS TO DESCRIBE HOW
OUTRAGEOUS I THINK MOST
AMERICANS WOULD FEEL ABOUT WHAT
HE ADVOCATED, AND BY THE WAY,
JUST LIKE WHAT WE SAW AS THE
BIPARTISAN REACTION WHEN PEOPLE
BECAME AWARE OF A POLICY THAT
WAS ABOUT PUTTING BABIES IN
CAGES AND SEPARATING CHILDREN
FROM THEIR PARENTS IN THE NAME
OF BORDER SECURITY, I BELIEVE
THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL
RECOGNIZE THAT ADVOCATING FOR
MOATS FILLED WITH SNAKES AND
ALLIGATORS, THAT THE AMERICAN
PEOPLE WOULD BE OUTRAGED
REGARDLESS OF THEIR PARTY
AFFILIATION JUST KNOWING THAT’S
NOT REFLECTIVE OF THE VALUES OF
WHO WE SAY WE ARE.
AND IT’S JUST NOT REFLECTIVE OF
WHAT SHOULD BE A MODERN
PRESIDENT IN AMERICA WHO VALUES
HUMAN RIGHTS.
HUMAN RIGHTS. >> THERE IS ANOTHER PASSAGE IN
THE REPORTING OF THESE "NEW YORK
TIMES" REPORTERS ABOUT THE
CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION
CHIEF WHEN THE PRESIDENT SAID TO
HIM THAT HE WANTED HIM TO STOP
LETTING MIGRANTS CROSS THE
BORDER AT ALL ANYWHERE WITH NO
EXCEPTIONS.
EXCEPTIONS. IF YOU GET INTO TROUBLE FOR IT,
MR. TRUMP TOLD HIM, I’LL PARDON
YOU.
YOU. NOW, DOES THAT QUALIFY AS A
POSSIBLE ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT?
>> WELL, LISTEN, I MEAN, WHAT HE
IS BASICALLY SAYING IS IF YOU
COMMIT A CRIME, I GOT YOUR BACK.
SO LET’S START WITH THE FACT
THAT WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES ENCOURAGING
SOMEONE TO BREAK THE LAW.
AGAIN, FURTHER EVIDENCE OF THE
FACT THAT DONALD TRUMP IS
LAWLESS.
LAWLESS. AS I’VE SAID BEFORE -- LOOK,
MAYA ANGELOU TOLD US THAT YOU
SHOULD LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHEN
THEY TELL YOU WHO THEY ARE THE
FIRST TIME.
FIRST TIME. DONALD TRUMP TOLD US WHO HE WAS
WHEN HE WAS CAMPAIGNING FOR
OFFICE, WHEN HE SAID IF I SHOOT
SOMEONE ON FIFTH AVENUE, I CAN
GET AWAY WITH IT.
HE TOLD US THEN WHO HE IS, AND
ALL OF THIS IS EVIDENCE OF THE
FACT THAT WE KNEW A LONG TIME
AGO.
AGO. AND SO LET THE IMPEACHMENT
PROCEEDINGS BEGIN, AND I HAVE
FULL FAITH IN THE ABILITY OF THE
UNITED STATES CONGRESS,
CERTAINLY IN THE HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES, TO DO THE RIGHT
THING.
THING. >> SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS,