Hello we're at Kentish Town, this is Andy
- Hello! Good morning, how are you?
i'm good! - Are you ready to ride some trains?
I'm ready to race - We're gonna have a little bit of an experiment today
it's long been a bugbearer of mine that Thameslink
the core section between Kentish Town and Elephant and Castle
used to be on the tube map, i think it stopped in ... 1999?
they took Thameslink off of the tube map
but you're at Kentish Town and you're heading down to Elephant & Castle
you can get either the Thameslink, or the traditional Northern Line - Yup
so we're gonna see which one is quicker
So i'm gonna - You're gonna go Thameslink
You're gonna get - The Nothern Line
where shall i meet you at the end?
- Elephant & Castle pub? The elephant and castle pub
So i've got my stopwatch, have you got a watch?
We're gonna time ourselves, and ... to see my video
you stay here on this channel which you're watching now
but to see Andy's video
which is ... sort of .. there
and Andy's got a video on his channel
which is why ... you're there as well!
on the second camera, you're there and you're there and you're there
Shall we go catch trains? - Let's do it Good luck!
Straight away it is worth acknowledging
that Thameslink, National Rail
run to a timetables, we'll chat about this at the end but if you're on the underground
it's a 'Metro' style service
officially there aren't any timetables (there are working timetables)
so with the Tube it's like a turn up and go
Thameslink? you have to know the times of the trains
so, i know already which specific train i'm going to get
you brought a friend with you, that's cheating!
she's gonna help me film
Andy's brought a friend!
right, ready to start your stopwatch, gonna start in five ...
four ... three ... two ... one ... go
See ya!
so we've started out stopwatch outside the gateline at the same time
and we'll compare stopwatches ... when we get to Elephant
i'm sitting in the back
don't forget ... on Thameslink trains
all First Class at the back
is declassified, right ... and we're leaving
we're a minute late!
this the thing - we'll discuss this at the end
the Tube's are every, aah it depends how long Andy's had to wait for a tube
and if i had to wait a long time here for a Thameslink train
as apposed to not waiting that'll make the difference
six minutes, it's ... ten past eleven
so we're now in the core section of Thameslink
where the doors do open automatically
a bit like the Tube!
just as we're pulling into Farringdon
it's worth nothing ... what's appeared
on the carriage diagrams, here on Thameslink trains
can you see it?
*PA* PLEASE MIND THE GAP BETWEEN THE TRAIN AND THE PLATFORM *PA*
Farringdon, Farringdon, at eleven fifteen
have been going, eleven minutes
i think we're running to time
i think!
purple train, purple train ... purple train
*WHISPERS* Purple train
Blackfriars, always impressive, just gonna check realtime trains
Open train times, see what time we're meant to be here at Blackfriars
it's currently 11:21
yeah, we're meant to depart Blackfriars now
at 11:21
so we made it in, at 11:24
and it's on time now, this is the 11:25
i've still got to walk to the exit, and then ... get to the pub!
get to the pub!
Now total time taken my stopwatch says
it's just ticked over the 22 minute mark
but that included walking to that platform and waiting for the train time
so i think the actual journey time on a Thameslink
is around 19 minutes, i think on the Tube
on journey planner
it says it's 21 minutes, but i've got to walk
to the pub, which should just be .... there!
just waiting to cross the road, i think i've beaten them
they're not there
ok that's it this is it, i'm stopping my stopwatch, now!
i'm by the Elephant & Castle sign
and that's 23 minutes and 56 seconds
and i'm here first
where are they? Andy! where are you
i've been diligently looking at the
Nothern line entrance over there, and they haven't appeared yet
and it's now 11:30, it was 26 minutes ago
oh now i can see him, now i can see Andy
you gotta come to the corner, and stop ya stopwatch!
how long that take you?
- 27:05
You though it was the Bank branch, didn't you?
oh ... have you done a sneaky?
you thought i was on the Bank branch didn't you?
andy's done a sneaky without telling me, what have you done?
i went down the Charing Cross branch =and then got the Bakerloo line from Waterloo
and i got the wrong bloody exit i meant to come out over there
and i ended up coming out over there, i got them mixed up
Where's Victoria? i thought she'd be ahead of me!
you've pulled a sneaky on me
which is fine
but ya still lost! - We've lost twice
2-1 to me, i beat both of them
shall we ... *laughs*
let's go somewhere quiet for a summing up!
In summary ...
you decided to do a sneaky
so when you got to the Northern line platform the Charing Cross train came first
and then you changed and got the Bakerloo line but then you came our the wrong exit
- We both managed to come out the wrong exit which is hilarious
You ... waited for the Bank train
- Yes
So you manged to, you managed to cross over
So you came out the Bakerloo exit when you should have done
I was so sure you'll see, at the Bakerloo line i was at the right door to come out
but what i didn't realise it was the way out for the shopping centre
and not the way out - Should have stuck to the plan
it was, it was very tricky, because when I was running
through ... Elephant & Castle
i knew, because I'd used, CityMapper
and i got to the end of the train, and I ran to the exit
and i was heading for the university exit because I knew that was meant to be the right one
but then there's loads of exits, there was like four exit signs
So my two thoughts are, is that
if you look online, National Rail
says that Thameslink journey takes 19 minutes
TfL journey planners says it takes 21 minutes
the plus side about Thameslink
is that they're nice air conditioned trains
- Yup i am warm!
so whether you choose the bakerloo or nothern line
you have to do the stairs or lift at the end
however, the obvious disadvantage is
that if you've just missed a train at Kentish Town
you could wait 10, 12, 15 minutes for the next ones
and i got one within .. 2 minutes
you started at a lucky point and we weren't delayed
yeah, i didn't get Thameslinked!
so ... if there's a Thameslink train due
Thameslink is faster, if you've just missed one
probably, the tube is faster
would that be a fair conclusion?
And clearly, it proves it doesn't matter which branch of the Northern Line you get
'cause, he's still gonna beat ya!
Do you want to race back to Kentish Town?
i'm kidding ...
- No i wanna go!
a pint? gonna get a cup of tea
err, this is Andy from Calling All Stations
his channel is, here
and this is Geoff from Geofftech and All The Stations
and his channel is there somewhere
are we using the same at the endings, to ...
we had different intros, but the end clip is the same
Andy does stuff on Tube, model railways, train stuff!
'k thanks for watching, thanks very much
say bye, byyyyeeee - See you at the next stop