Hi everyone, I hope you’re all well. So, I released a video called Why Young Men Are
Choosing Celibacy, which was a discussion of the most recent statistics from the General
Social Survey in terms of Americans and their life between the sheets. According to the
survey, there is a disproportionate spike in men aged 18-29 reporting no sex in the
past year, which is a social oddity that can be explained by a number of factors.
Anyway, a set of initials kept popping up in the comments; M G T O W, or MGTOW. MGTOW
can be described as the cousin of the Men’s Rights Movement. It deals very much in male
autonomy, and is of course very anti feminist. Now, even though I explicitly stated in my
video that I was not actually talking about MGTOW, those attached to the group took a
great interest in it, considering it did cover a number of their bases.
So, considering this interest, and considering that nearly every live stream I’ve done,
one or more of the questions I get is “what are your thoughts on MGTOW”, I figured it
was high time I addressed it.
So, a bit of background. MGTOW stands for Men Going Their Own Way. It is a lifestyle
choice and indeed a philosophy that recommends men rally against the societal model of marriage
and children, and quite literally go their own way. They are encouraged to work hard
at their own pursuits, generate resources for themselves, discover new hobbies and interests,
and all in all pursue what could be termed a higher purpose.
It’s an understandable pushback; men are put under extraordinary pressure to provide
and are very much treated like walking ATMs. Their worth in the eyes of society is based
on how much money they earn, and when it comes to things like marriage; well, something like
half of marriages end in divorce, and it is very very easy for a man to come off second
best in the divorce courts, lemme tell you. I have great sympathy for what men go through
nowadays, and if you watch my other videos, you’ll know that.
So, because of factors like that, and because of the feminist-driven anti-male march through
popular culture, it’s no wonder some men are opting out. This isn’t a new concept;
there have always been what you’d call “confirmed bachelors’; men who were more interested
in finding enlightenment through solitude.
And there are certainly men who, whether through damaging experiences with women, or their
own keen observation of society, are well-placed to go their own way. Like this gentleman
Seems a simple and fair enough explanation, right? However, in this video, I’m not talking
about gentlemen like him. I’m talking about gentlemen like
Just like any ideology, there are certain toxic elements that give the rest of the group
somewhat of a bad name. And over the past few days, a rather large number of, dare I
say it, toxically masculine men, who claim to be MGTOW, but are really something else,
have hijacked the comments section of my video on male celibacy.
And since this is not the first time I have encountered these types of MGTOW extremists,
I have decided I’m going to call them out. So, fellas, you asked for it; here are my
thoughts on MGTOW.
Let me be clear, before anyone freaks out, I am not talking about all MGTOW men. If you
are the kind of confirmed bachelor I mentioned before, you do you, good for you, go your
own way and be happy. God bless. I understand your decision.
I’m instead talking about trolls who give the rest of MGTOW a bad name; men who use
the philosophy as an excuse to vent their own resentment and anger. These particular
MGTOW extremists seem to really have a gripe with the fact that not all women are interested
in them.
The way MGTOW extremists try to justify this sexual frustration is through something they
call the 80/20 rule. This has been explained to me in two ways; the first is that 80% of
women are interested in only 20% of men. The second is that women only find 20% of men
above average in attractiveness, and consider the remaining 80% below average.
In other words, they think women have impossibly high standards that make it very difficult
for your average Joe to get a date. And, theoretically, they’re correct, it is hard for any man
to get a date.
The onus is very much on men to make the first move, so of course men will be rejected a
lot, which is not fun. But there are two ways a guy can react to this. They can pick themselves
up, dust themselves off, and try again or God forbid, self-improve…or they can sit
on YouTube all day and leave comments like this
Side note; it’s so interesting that these guys claim to be going their own way and eschewing
all things women…and yet they seem to spend hours and hours every day on the internet
talking among themselves about, well, women. Sounds like you’re still pretty stuck on
the idea of women, fellas!
Back to the 80/20 rule. How did they come up with this number.? Well, it seems to be
based on a study by OKCupid which found that, if you look at the dotted line, women ranked
80% of men as average or below average looking, while ranking only 20% of men as above average
in looks.
MGTOW extremists took this as an indication that woman have become narcissistic and entitled,
who think they deserve men who are well above their status. In fact, there’s even a word
for it. It’s called hypergamy, which pretty much means marrying up.
Women have been forced to marry up for the majority of human history, considering that
until very recently they did not have the rights under the law to provide for themselves.
Even nowadays, however, considering most women will want to have kids someday, women will
still instinctively look for a guy with resources.
Which is another MGTOW gripe; apparently, women are only interested in men with good
jobs and money saved and other assets. To that, I really have only one thing to say
OF COURSE women are going to be more attracted to guys with a good job. You really think
a woman is likely to want you long term if you live in a basement and sit on your computer
all day trolling the internet and eating chips? Hell no. If you think she should be, you’re
the one that’s entitled.
But funnily enough, it seems MGTOW extremists have it wrong when they suggest women are
only interested in a small percentage of men who are gorgeous looking and rich. Look at
the graph again. See that thick blue line? That line indicates the rates at which women
actually messaged guys on OKCupid.
As you can see, even though women rated only 20% of men as above average, they didn’t
actually contact them. The bulk of messages from women went to men they considered either
average or less than average in looks.
So while women may have very particular taste when it comes to her ideal man, usually she
won’t chase him, because she knows full well he likely won’t be interested in your
average Jane, which most women are. And they know it. Look at this global survey by Dove,
which found that 96% of women worldwide rated themselves as below average when it came to
looks.
Women, according to the very study cited by MGTOW extremists everywhere, are very clearly
more interested in chatting with your average Joe, rather than your Chad, because women
mostly think of themselves as average as well. This blunder by MGTOW is without a doubt one
of the biggest self-owns by any group of people I have ever seen.
So, now we’ve torched that little gripe with logic and facts, we can delve right into
the mindset of your MGTOW extremist troll. One of their main talking points is female
promiscuity, and how they object to the fact so many women have apparently have so many
sex partners in their 20s.
But it goes beyond your standard slut shame. MGTOW extremists are of the belief that female
promiscuity means a woman is all used up. They do not like the idea of women having
sexual autonomy or sexual choice because they think it depletes their sexual market value.
MGTOW extremists do not believe women are equal to men. They believe their only value
is in their sexuality or lack thereof, because ultimately, a woman is closer to property
or livestock than a person. Women who aren’t virginal are seen as second-hand cars; to
be settled on temporarily if necessary, but avoided if possible for newer, shinier models.
MGTOW extremists, unlike MRAs, oppose all waves of feminism, and even believe that women
should lose the right to vote. They see woman as utilities who should play a fundamentally
diminutive role in the lives of men, whose purpose it is to facilitate the interests
and enjoyment of the male species. Like this fella
This is a fundamentally messed up way of thinking. It is old-style, Old Testament, medieval,
genuine misogyny, not the silly imaginary microaggressions that third and fourth wave
feminists keep on yakking on about. MGTOW extremists aren’t men going
their own way, they are bad people who are using the movement to exercise their own bitterness,
hatefulness, and general appallingness.
And sure, some of them may have had bad experiences with women, but Imma guess that a lot of them
actually haven’t. Probably many of them haven’t had anything to do with women, and
are simply incels justifying their own lack of sex appeal by claiming not to want it anyway.
It’s the same as saying “you can’t fire me I quit!”
Speaking of feminists, MGTOW extremists have a really funny habit of behaving just like
them, which is ironic. Think about it. They both demonise the opposite sex, and make wild
generalisations about them. They both engage in radical identity politics. They both have
a raging victim mentality, and think everything wrong with their lives can be pinned on somebody
else.
Any hint that maybe self-improvement would make them happier is met with aggression and
resistance by both groups. They both insist that only they can understand their plight,
and nobody outside their own group is allowed to have an opinion on anything to do with
them.
They both believe there is a correct set of opinions that people should adhere to, and
any disagreement is treated as evil or ignorant or wrong. They both blame an entire group
of people for their problems, based on most like only one or two experiences with them.
Both groups wilfully misinterpret things to suit their own narrative. Just as feminists
misinterpret the gender pay gap, so do MGTOW extremists misinterpret the 80/20 data from
OKCupid. On a more personal note, they also wilfully misinterpreted my video. They assumed
that because I mentioned video game addiction twice as a factor in male celibacy, and because
I said women couldn’t be forced or socially engineered to do anything because that would
be authoritarianism, that I actually meant that it was all men’s fault, and that we
should take away men’s video games, and that women didn’t need to change a thing.
That’s not what I meant.
I clearly stated that the problem was cultural, and that we all, meaning men and women, needed
to fight back against the anti male stigma. Honestly, it was so extraordinary that out
of that entire video, the takeaway of literally hundreds of usually MGTOW men was quite simply,
“But muh video games!”
Full disclosure; I love video games. If I’m not making a video and I want some down time,
there’s a good chance I’m playing video games, and so is my boyfriend. I live in a
pro-video game household.
Finally; just as feminists clearly want retribution for a patriarchal past, so too do MGTOW extremists,
who want revenge for all the women who didn’t want to sleep with them. They are simply two
sides of the same toxic coin.
Again, please take note; I am not talking about your sensible, run of the mill, confirmed
bachelor MGTOW guy, I have no problem with you. You do you, good for you for finding
meaning. But I do not tolerate extremism or identity politics or victim mentality within
from anyone on any side. I don’t let feminists get away with, I’m certainly not going to
let MGTOW get away with it.
So, to the MGTOW extremists I’m talking about; you are more than entitled to your
opinions. I believe in free speech, even speech I disagree with, or find abhorrent. You still
absolutely have a right to say what you want to say. But don’t do it here. I take great
pride in the fact that the comments sections of my videos are generally very positive,
and full of healthy discussion. I am not an edgelord. My videos and my community
are family friendly. This isn’t because anyone is a snowflake, it’s purely from
my community guidelines for my subscribers. I want kids to be able to watch my videos,
and they don’t need to see frustrated manchildren talking about
this kind of stuff in the comments.
If you think you are one of the MGTOW extremists I am talking about, and you don’t think
you can be sensible in your commentary, take yourselves back to reddit, please. I am not
interested in you being vitriolic for the sake of it. It is boring, and it’s not what
my community is about. I call women out for doing it, regularly, so I’m calling you
out as well. MGTOW extremists should be free to go their own way, so keep going, please,
far, far away.