>> Martha: 20 DEMOCRATS ARE
NOW RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.
NOT ONLY DID THEY BREAK THE
REPUBLICANS' RECORD OF 17
CANDIDATES, AND WE ALL REMEMBER
HOW CROWDED THAT DEBATE STAYED
WAS, THEY HAVE DONE IT SOONER.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THIS CHARGE,
WITH 100 WEEKS TO GO.
BACK THEN, THE PARTY GOT SOME
HEAT FOR SPLITTING UP THE FIRST
SEVEN DEBATES INTO TWO SEPARATE
EVENTS.
WE HAVE THE EVENING AND THE
UNDERCARD.
AT THIS TIME, THE DEMOCRATS SAY
THEY ARE GOING TO DO THINGS
DIFFERENTLY.
BUT MY NEXT GUEST, THE FORMER
COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR FOR THE
RNC, DOESN'T THINK THAT APPEARED
IN THE OTHER CHANGES WILL WORK.
SEAN SPICER, FORMER WHITE HOUSE
PRESS SECRETARY WRITES,
"CANDIDATE PROLIFERATION AND A
FOX NEWS BAND MEAN THE PARTY
WILL FAIL WHERE THE G.O.P.
SUCCEEDED IN 2016."
JOINING ME NOW IS SEAN SPICER,
SPOKESMAN FOR AMERICA FIRST
ACTION.
GOOD TO SEE YOU TONIGHT YOU
TONIGHT.
>> GOOD TO SEE YOU.
>> Martha: AT THE NEW YORKER,
WHO DOESN'T WRITE VERY KIND
THINGS ABOUT US GENERALLY SAYS
SHE IS VERY UPSET THE DEMOCRATS
HAVE BEEN DOING TOWN HALLS AT A
FOX NEWS AND THAT THEY OUGHT TO
AIM THEIR FIRE AT FOX NEWS FOR
MAKING COOPERATION WITH IT, MORE
INDEFENSIBLE BY THE DAY.
WHAT DO YOU SAY?
>> DEMOCRATS WHO CHOOSE NOT TO
GO ON FOX NEWS ARE CUTTING THEIR
NOSE OFF TO SPITE THEMSELVES.
2.65 MILLION PEOPLE, THAT
DWARFED THE OTHER OUTLETS
COMBINED.
IN MANY CASES, THROUGHOUT THEIR
DAY.
MUCH OF THE FOX AUDIENCE IS
RECEPTIVE TO THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
THEY ARE LEFT-LEANING,
INDEPENDENCE, THESE ARE THE
FOLKS THE DEMOCRATS GO.
YOU LOOK AT THE TOP FOLKS,
BERNIE SANDERS HAD A VERY
SUCCESSFUL OUTING WITH YOU AND
BRETT, EXPOSED HIMSELF TO AN
AUDIENCE THAT HE IS NOT GETTING
TO THE OTHER OUTLETS, AND BY
THEM BANNING FOX, AT SOME POINT,
AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR
YOUR MANAGEMENT, BUT AT SOME
POINT EITHER FOX OR ANOTHER
OUTLET IS GOING TO SAY, SCREW
IT, WE ARE GOING TO HOST A
DEBATE.
THE PROBLEM IS WHEN WE DID THIS,
WE HAD EVERYBODY BUYING IT.
IT WAS HELD TOGETHER AT TIMES BY
SOME PRETTY THIN DUCT TAPE, BUT
IT WORKED AND IT WAS SUCCESSFUL.
THE DEMOCRATS, BY BANNING PEOPLE
AND ALLOWING EVERYBODY TO GET A
PARTICIPATION TROPHY AND FIND
DIFFERENT WAYS TO MAKE IT ON THE
DEBATE STAGE, HAS CREATED A
SYSTEM THAT ISN'T GOING TO HOLD
TRUE, BECAUSE CANDIDATES ARE
ALWAYS GOING TO LOOK FOR AN
OUTLET TO REACH NEW VOTERS.
A FOX AND OTHER OUTLETS ARE
GOING TO JUMP IN AND FILL THE
VOID.
>> Martha: DEFINITELY.
30% OF OUR VIEWERS CONSIDER
THEMSELVES TO BE INDEPENDENT
VOTERS, AND WE ALL KNOW THAT
THERE ARE VOTERS WHO CROSSED
OVER INTO HUNDRED SIX COUNTIES
ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHO VOTED FOR
PRESIDENT OBAMA, THEN VOTED FOR
PRESIDENT TRUMP.
I THINK PEOPLE ARE A LOT MORE --
WE TALK ABOUT THE DIVISIVENESS
IN THIS COUNTRY QUITE A BIT.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT A LOT OF
PEOPLE FEEL THEY ARE NOT REALLY
AFFILIATED WITH EITHER PARTY,
AND THAT THEY LOOK AT THE
CANDIDATES AND THEY TRY TO
DECIDE WHO THEY THINK IS GOING
TO DO THE BEST JOB.
IN TERMS OF THE WAY THAT
CONSTRUCTING THE DEBATE, WHAT
THE DEMOCRATS HAVE SAID THEY ARE
GOING TO DO RIGHT NOW IS DO IT
RANDOMLY.
I KNOW YOU WROTE ABOUT THIS.
YOU DECIDE TO IF YOU MADE A
CERTAIN CUT OFF, IF YOU DIDN'T
YOU WERE ON THE NEXT ONE DOWN,
AND IF YOU MOVED UP AND GOT A
GREAT PERCENTAGE, THEN YOU MOVED
UP INTO THE PRIME TIME TEAR.
>> THAT'S RIGHT, AND THE WAY THE
DEMOCRATS ARE DOING IT, THEY ARE
PUTTING SOME FOLKS WHO AREN'T
EVEN PULLING AT 1%, THEY'VE
GOTTEN 65,000 DONATIONS MINIMUM
OF $1, AND I RIGHT IN THE OP-ED
ON MY WEBSITE FOR THOSE WHO WANT
TO SEE IT, ONE CANDIDATE,
CONGRESSMAN DELANEY, IS
LITERALLY OFFERING PEOPLE $2 TO
THE CHARITY OF THEIR CHOICE IF
THEY WILL CONTRIBUTE $1 TO HIS
CAMPAIGN.
THAT IS AN INGENIOUS WAY OF
GETTING HIM ON THE DEBATE STAGE,
BUT AT THAT POINT, HE STILL
ISN'T PULLING AT A MINIMUM OF
1%.
IF HE IS GOING TO BE TAKING
SHOTS AT THE FOLKS AT THE TOP,
BERNIE SANDERS, KAMALA HARRIS,
TO FIND HIS VIRAL BREAKOUT
MOMENT.
THERE IS ONLY SO LONG THAT THOSE
FOLKS AT THE TOP ARE GOING TO
STAND OUT AND SAY THIS IS
RIDICULOUS.
FOLKS WHO AREN'T EVEN PULLING AT
1% ARE SPENDING ALL OF THEIR
TIME ON STAGE TAKING SHOTS AT
THOSE OF US WHO ARE ACTUALLY
GARNERING SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF
SUPPORTERS WITHIN THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE
ANOTHER TOUCHSTONE OF HOW THIS
SYSTEM IS PROBABLY GOING TO
FAIL, WHEN THEY REALIZE THIS
RANDOMIZED SYSTEM MIGHT SOUND
GOOD, EVERYBODY GETS A
PARTICIPATION TROPHY AND GETS TO
SHOW UP ON ONE OR TWO NIGHTS,
BUT IT WON'T HOLD TRUE FOR A
WHILE WHEN PEOPLE AT THE TOP
DON'T LIKE GETTING HIT BY PEOPLE
AT THE BOTTOM.
>> Martha: FASCINATING.
WE ALWAYS SAY WE REALLY HOPE
THEY WILL RECONSIDER AND WE HOPE
THAT THE TOWN HALLS SHOW THAT WE
ARE FAIR, WE ASK CHALLENGING
QUESTIONS, BUT THAT IT IS NOT
OUR INTEREST -- WE WANT TO MAKE
SURE THAT VOTERS ACROSS THE
COUNTRY ARE EXPOSED TO ALL OF
THE CANDIDATES.
THAT IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.
>> AND I THINK THE SUCCESS YOU
HAD IN TERMS OF THE RATINGS IN
THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE AND THE
COVERAGE AFTERWARDS OF PEOPLE
WHO ARE COMMENTING ON THE JOB
YOU AND BRET DID, AND EVERY
DEMOCRAT IS TRY TO FIGURE OUT
HOW THEY CAN GET THEIR OWN.
IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME
BEFORE THEY REALIZE, WHY DON'T
WE DO A DEBATE?
>> Martha: I'M OPEN TO THAT
IDEA.
QUICK QUESTION FOR YOU ABOUT
ALABAMA POLITICS BECAUSE THERE
IS A STORY TODAY, A COLLEGE
FOOTBALL STORY, THE AUBURN COACH
IS GOING TO RUN FOR A SENATE
SEAT IN ALABAMA, WHICH IS NOW
HELD BY DOUG JONES, AND THAT YOU
ARE WORKING WITH HIM.
IS THAT TRUE THAT TRUE?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> Martha: WHAT'S YOUR ROLE?
>> RIGHT NOW I'M ADVISING HIM,
WE'RE DOING SOME WORK FOR HIM ON
THE MAILING DIGITAL FRONT, BUT
HE IS A GREAT CANDIDATES.
THE ONLY CANDIDATE ON THE
REPUBLICAN SIDE SO FAR THAT HAS
BEEN WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP SINCE
DAY ONE.
HE HAS A WINNING STRATEGY TO PUT
THE SEAT BACK IN THE REPUBLICAN
COLUMN.
>> Martha: IS PRESIDENT TRUMP
GOING TO SUPPORT HIM?
>> I DON'T WANT TO EVER -- I'VE
LEARNED MY LESSON ABOUT TRYING
TO SPEAK FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP,
BUT HE IS TRUMP'S KIND OF
CANDIDATE AND HE WILL DO A GREAT
JOB UP HERE.
>> Martha: IS MATT GAETZ GOING
TO RUN FOR THAT?
THAT WAS CONSIDERED, TOO, I
THINK.
>> MATT GAETZ REPRESENTS A
DISTRICT IN FLORIDA.
ALABAMA HAS SOMEBODY LIKE HIM