>>> PRESIDENT TRUMP IS A VERY SINGULAR PRESIDENT.
SINGULAR PRESIDENT. HE NOT ONLY HAS A CAMPAIGN
CHAIRMAN WHO’S SITTING IN
FEDERAL PRISON, HIS DEPUTY
CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN IS CURRENTLY
AWAITING SENTENCING AFTER ALSO
PLEADING GUILTY TO FELONY
CHARGES.
CHARGES. IN THE FEWNEWLY RELEASED FBI
INTERVIEW NOTES FROM PRESIDENT
TRUMP’S DEPUTY CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN
RICK GATES, WE LEARNED A COUPLE
THINGS I’M ABSOLUTELY FLUMMOXED
BY.
BY. THE FIRST HAS TO DO WITH THE
NATIONAL REPUBLICAN PARTY, THE
RNC.
RNC. RICK GATES TOLD THE FBI THE RNC
WAS ENERGIZED BY THE
ANNOUNCEMENT FROM WIKILEAKS IN
JUNE MORE STOLEN EMAILS FROM
HKILLARY CLINTON.
HKILLARY CLINTON. ACCORDING TO RICK GATES THE
FOLKS AT THE RNC WERE NOT JUST
ENERGIZED BY THESE ANNOUNCEMENTS
FROM WIKILEAKS, THEY WERE ALSO
IN THE KNOW.
FROM THE INTERVIEW NOTES, "THE
RNC INDICATED THEY KNEW THE
TIMING OF THE UPCOMING
RELEASES."
RELEASES." HMM.
HMM. ACCORDING TO GATES, THE TIMING
WAS, "THE ONLY NONPUBLIC
INFORMATION THE RNC HAD ABOUT
UPCOMING RELEASES BUT HE
APPARENTLY SAID REPUBLICANS DID
HAVE ENOUGH OF A HEADS-UP TO
KNOW THE TIMING, TO KNOW WHEN
MORE OF THESE MATERIALS THAT
WERE STOLEN BY RUSSIAN
INTELLIGENCE AND DISTRIBUTED BY
WIKILEAKS, THE RNC KNEW IN
ADVANCE WHEN THOSE DISTRIBUTIONS
WERE GOING TO HAPPEN.
THEY DID?
THEY DID? HOW’D THEY KNOW THAT?
THAT’S ONE.
THAT’S ONE. HERE’S THE OTHER ONE.
RICK GATES ALSO TOLD THE FBI
THAT PAUL MANAFORT, THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN WHO’S NOW A
FEDERAL INMATE, HAD SAID THAT
THE HACK ON THE DNC WAS, QUOTE,
LIKELY CARRIED OUT BY THE
UKRAINIANS.
UKRAINIANS. NOT THE RUSSIANS.
ACCORDING TO THE FBI INTERVIEW
NOTES THAT, QUOTE, PARROTED A
NARRATIVE
NARRATIVE NARRATIVE THAT KONSTANTIN
KILIMNIK HAD OFTEN SUPPORTED.
CONSTANTINE KILIMNIK OF COURSE
WAS PAUL MANAFORT’S RIGHT-HAND
MAN IN UKRAINE.
HE IS ALSO ASSESSED BY THE FBI
TO HAVE TIES TO RUSSIAN
INTELLIGENCE.
INTELLIGENCE. THE IDEA THAT RUSSIA DIDN’T DO
IT IN 2016, IT MUST HAVE BEEN
UKRAINE, THIS ALTERNATE REALITY
CONSPIRACY THEORY THAT WAS BEING
VOICED BY TRUMP CAMPAIGN
CHAIRMAN PAUL MANAFORT, IT
DIDN’T ORIGINATE WITH MANAFORT.
IT CAME FROM MANAFORT’S CALL
CONSTANTINE KILIMNIK, WHO,
AGAIN, ACCORDING TO THE FBI HAS
TIED TO RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE.
SO BY THE TRANSTIVE PROPERTY,
THIS MEANS THIS IS RUSSIAN
INTELLIGENCE PROMULGATING THIS
FALSE NARRATIVE THAT EXONERATES
RUSSIA, RIGHT, THAT IT WAS
REALLY UKRAINE WHO DID THE
ELECTION INTERFERENCE, NOT
RUSSIA.
RUSSIA. THAT’S FROM THE RUSSIAN INTEL
GUY.
GUY. THAT’S HIS STORY.
HE’S THE ONE WHO STARTED THAT.
NOW OF COURSE WE’RE LIVING
THROUGH THAT AS THE CORE
WEIRDNESS AT THE CENTER OF THE
PRESIDENT’S IMPEACHMENT IN 2019,
THESE ALLEGATIONS NOW FROM RUDY
GIULIANI AND PRESIDENT TRUMP
THAT JUST LIKE RUSSIAN INTEL
SAYS, IT WASN’T RUSSIA THAT
MESSED WITH OUR ELECTION.
IT MUST HAVE BEEN THOSE
DASTARDLY UKRAINIANS.
DASTARDLY UKRAINIANS. JOINING US NOW IS CONGRESSMAN
JIM HIMES OF CONNECTICUT.
HE IS MEMBER OF THE INTELLIGENCE
IN THE HOUSE.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE
TONIGHT, SIR.
TONIGHT, SIR. I APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU, RACHEL.
>> SO I’M BURIED IN PAPER, AS I
KNOW YOU AND YOUR STAFF ARE AS
WELL.
WELL. BUT THESE INTERVIEW NOTES, THE
FBI INTERVIEW NOTES THAT WERE
RELEASED THIS WEEKEND, THOSE ARE
THE TWO ITEMS I FIND
JAW-DROPPING.
JAW-DROPPING. I WANT TO GET YOUR REACTION TO
EACH OF THOSE TO SEE HOW YOU SEE
THEM AND WHETHER I MIGHT BE
MISFIRING HERE.
MISFIRING HERE. >> YEAH, WELL, CERTAINLY THE
EARLY PERKLATIONS OF THE UKRAINE
HAS THE SERVER THING, OF COURSE,
YOU KNOW, A COMPLETELY DEBUNKED
CONSPIRACY, AND LET’S STEP BACK
FOR A SECOND, RACHEL.
NOT JUST DEBUNKED, BUT THE
MUELLER REPORT, FOR THOSE WHO
ACTUALLY BOTHERED TO READ IT AND
ALL OF THE ASSOCIATED
INDICTMENTS OF SPECIFIC PEOPLE
AT SPECIFIC ADDRESSES AT THE
INTERNET RESEARCH AGENCY AT A
SPECIFIC PLACE IN ST.
PETERSBURG, RUSSIA, I MEAN,
AGAIN, WE’VE GOT THE RECEIPTS ON
THIS THING.
THIS THING. ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE UNDER
INDICTMENT, THE ACTUAL IP
ADDRESSES THAT WERE USED BY THE
RUSSIANS TO HACK INTO THE DNC.
IT’S ALL OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO
READ, AND YET THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES IN A
CONVERSATION WITH A NEW
PRESIDENT OF THE UKRAINE BRINGS
UP THIS WILD THEORY THAT UKRAINE
WAS SOMEHOW RESPONSIBLE.
AND LOOK, I THINK YOU’VE GOT THE
INTRIGUING ANGLE ON IT HERE,
WHICH IS IF YOU ARE THE RUSSIANS
AND OF COURSE YOU KNOW THAT YOU
DID IT, BUT YOU WANT TO CREATE A
LITTLE BIT OF UNCERTAINTY, WHY
NOT HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE KILIMNIK,
WHICH BY THE WAY YOU DIDN’T EVEN
MENTION, REMEMBER AT THIS POINT
PAUL MANAFORT IS ACTUALLY
SENDING TRUMP CAMPAIGN POLLING
DATA TO KILIMNIK, BUT WHY NOT
HAVE KILIMNIK JUST MUDDY THE
WATERS A LITTLE FURTHER AND LO
AND BEHOLD, THE PRESIDENT BRINGS
IT UP WITH THE NEW PRESIDENT OF
UKRAINE IN JULY OF THIS YEAR.
>> THAT’S -- I MEAN, THE TIME,
THE ELAPSING OF TIME HERE
BETWEEN SOMEBODY LIKE KILIMNIK
COOKING THIS UP, PAUL MANAFORT
AMPLIFYING IT AND STARTING TO
SAY YEAH, LET’S POSIT THIS
ALTERNATE VIEW OF WHAT MIGHT
HAVE HAPPENED IN TERMS OF
FOREIGN ELECTION INTERFERENCE,
THAT’S ALL HAPPENING IN 2016.
HERE IT IS 201993 YEARS LATER,
AND NOT ONLY IS THAT THEORY AS
RIDICULOUS AS IT SEEMS AND AS
CONTRARY TO U.S. GOVERNMENT’S
OWN FINDINGS AS IT SEEMS, NOT
ONLY IS THAT STILL AROUND BUT
IT’S NOW BEING VOICED BY THE
PRESIDENT HIMSELF AND SEEMS TO
BE THE BASIS ON WHICH HE WANTS
TO CONSTRUCT THIS NEW
RELATIONSHIP WITH UKRAINE, WHERE
THEY ONLY GET THEIR WHITE HOUSE
MEETINGS AND THEIR MILITARY AID
AS LONG AS THEY SUPPORT THIS
CRAZINESS.
CRAZINESS. I MEAN, THAT DEVELOPMENT OVER
THE COURSE OF THREE YEARS WITH
IT NEVER GOING AWAY AND IN FACT
ONLY RISING HIGHER AND HIGHER
JUST I’M ABSOLUTELY BEWILDERED
BY THAT.
BY THAT. >> WELL, I MEAN, YEAH.
YOU GOT TWO TRANSCRIPTS TODAY OF
THE DEPOSITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN
HELD IN MY COMMITTEE.
AS ADDITIONAL TRANSCRIPTS ARE
RELEASED YOU WILL SEE THAT THIS
IS STILL ALIVE, THAT SENIOR
MEMBERS OF THE REPUBLICAN
CONFERENCE IN THOSE DEPOSITIONS
ARE PROBING PEOPLE ABOUT SERVERS
IN UKRAINE.
IN UKRAINE. RACHEL, IF WE HAD MORE TIME, IT
WOULDN’T BE HARD AND PEOPLE WHO
UNDERSTAND THIS SORT OF THING
WOULD VALIDATE IT.
IT WOULDN’T BE HARD TO EXPLAIN
WHY FOLKS THAT ARE LOOKING AT
HACKS DON’T TAKE THE SERVER.
WHAT THEY DO IS THEY MIRROR A
SERVER.
SERVER. THEY DOWNLOAD EVERY BIT AND BITE
IN A SERVER AND THEY TAKE IT
AWAY UNTIL ALL HOURS OF THE
MORNING, THEY LOOK AT IT.
SO THIS NOTION THAT A SERVER GOT
REMOVED FROM THE DNC -- BY THE
WAY, THIS IS THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES’ NOTION IN A
CONVERSATION WITH THE PRESIDENT
OF UKRAINE THAT THE SERVER GOT
REMOVED FROM THE DNC.
AND BY THE WAY, REMEMBER, THE
PRESIDENT’S PREVIOUS THING WAS
WHY DIDN’T THEY TAKE THE SERVER.
BUT NOW THE STORY IS THEY TOOK
THE SERVER TO UKRAINE.
I MEAN, THIS STUFF IS JUST
FANTASTICAL.
FANTASTICAL. AND IT IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
HOLDING UP MILITARY AID TO A
COUNTRY THAT IS UNDER ATTACK BY
RUSSIA.
RUSSIA. SO IT WOULD ALL BE VERY COMICAL
IF IT WEREN’T FOR THE FACT THAT
THE PRESIDENT’S ACTIONS
CHALLENGED UKRAINIAN SECURITY
AND OUR OWN NATIONAL SECURITY.
>> CONGRESSMAN JIM HIMES, MEMBER
OF THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE
COMMITTEE.
COMMITTEE. I KNOW THAT WE’RE GOING TO BE
BURIED IN YET MORE PAPER