>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.
>> Jimmy: GREAT TO HAVE YOU
HERE.
THANK YOU FOR COMING.
[ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]
>> THANK YOU.
>> Jimmy: THAT'S RIGHT.
[ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]
YOU SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU
MAKE GREAT MOVIES?
PEOPLE LOVE IT.
AND THEY LOVE YOU.
>> WOW.
>> Jimmy: AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO
YOU AS WELL.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Jimmy: YESTERDAY WAS YOUR
BIRTHDAY.
77?
>> 77, YEAH.
DOUBLE 7.
>> Jimmy: WHAT DO YOU DO ON A
77th BIRTHDAY?
IHOP?
>> NO, NO.
THEY GOT ME AND WENT TO THE
GETTY MUSEUM.
I WAS HANGING OUT WITH THE
ETRUSCANS AND THE GREEKS AND THE
ROMANS.
>> Jimmy: THAT'S A GREAT MUSEUM.
>> IT REALLY IS.
>> Jimmy: YOU WALKED AROUND?
>> I WALKED AROUND THE ATRIUM,
THE WHOLE --
>> Jimmy: DO PEOPLE FLIP WHEN
THEY SEE YOU?
>> NO, THERE WERE PEOPLE LEAVING
AND WE GOT IN AS THEY WERE
LEAVING.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
>> Jimmy: PERFECT.
>> AND STUMBLED ABOUT.
AND I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO GO
THERE.
I'M JUST FASCINATED.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE IT TO
POMPEII BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN THERE
SINCE 1970.
>> Jimmy: IT HASN'T CHANGED.
>> NO, IT HASN'T.
THEY'RE STILL DEAD.
THIS HAD MORE LIFE TO IT.
>> Jimmy: I WAS THERE A FEW
YEARS BACK AND YEAH, IT'S PRETTY
MUCH THE SAME.
WELL, YOU DID GET A NICE GIFT
FOR YOUR BIRTHDAY.
YOU'VE GOT GREAT REVIEWS FOR
"THE IRISHMAN."
[ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]
>> AMAZING.
>> Jimmy: I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S
ON YOUR RADAR OR NOT.
>> IT'S AMAZING.
>> Jimmy: THIS MOVIE IS BASED ON
A BOOK CALLED "I HEARD YOU PAINT
HOUSES."
>> RIGHT.
>> Jimmy: WHICH IS A GREAT
PHRASE.
EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS.
>> WELL, HOUSE PAINTERS BUT THE
THING IS THERE'S ONLY ONE SHADE.
RED.
>> Jimmy: RED.
YEAH.
>> AND WE ALSO DO CARPENTRY.
>> Jimmy: AND THIS IS A BOOK
THAT IS A TRUE STORY PRESUMABLY.
>> YES.
YEAH.
>> Jimmy: I WOULD IMAGINE YOU
GET EVERY SINGLE MAFIA-RELATED
BOOK SENT TO YOU.
>> OVER THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS
THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW THAT HAVE
BEEN CIRCLING ABOUT AND THAT
SORT OF THING.
BUT THIS WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE
ERIC ROTH GAVE IT TO BOB DE NIRO
AND DE NIRO AND I HAVE BEEN
TRYING TO MAKE A PICTURE AGAIN
SINCE "CASINO."
THAT WAS 1995.
SO IT WAS A LONG TIME SINCE WE
HAD WORKED TOGETHER.
AND WE TRIED TO FIND ALL THESE
OTHER PROJECTS, REMAKES OF "THE
BAD AND THE BEAUTIFUL," REMEMBER
THE STORY ABOUT HOLLYWOOD WITH
KIRK DOUGLAS, ALL THAT SORT OF
THING.
AND FINALLY IT CAME DOWN TO A
SITUATION WHERE WE DECIDED THAT
WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A FILM ABOUT
AN AGING HIT MAN SUPPOSEDLY.
WE WERE WORKING ON THIS ONE
PROJECT.
BUT IT WAS KIND OF A GENRE PIECE
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO GENRE
ANYMORE AND THE GENRE THAT I
KNOW GOES BACK TO 1948.
IT DOESN'T PAY.
SO THE -- ERIC GAVE HIM THIS
BOOK.
SUPPOSEDLY THE MEMOIRS OF A HIT
MAN SO TO SPEAK.
AND BOB CAME TO TALK TO ME ABOUT
THE CHARACTER.
AND AS HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE
CHARACTER HE BECAME RATHER
EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT.
AND I SAID THAT'S SOMETHING.
NOW, IF WE ARE GOING TO GO BACK
INTO THAT MILIEU, WHICH WE WERE
ASSOCIATED WITH IN CASINO AND
"GOOD FELLAS," THEN THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT MAYBE WE COULD
LEARN A LITTLE MORE ABOUT
OURSELVES AND GO DEEPER.
YOU KNOW?
OTHERWISE, WHAT ARE WE DOING?
JUST REPEATING OURSELVES.
AND SO WE TOOK A CHANCE AND
STEVE ZALIAN CAME IN AND WROTE
THE SCRIPT.
THE BOOK IS BY CHARLES BRANT.
AND BY THAT POINT BASICALLY NO
ONE WOULD FINANCE THE PICTURE.
>> Jimmy: HOW MUCH DO YOU
BELIEVE THE BOOK, DO YOU BELIEVE
THE TEXT OF THE BOOK?
>> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S
NECESSARY TO BELIEVE THAT THAT
ACTUALLY HAPPENED THAT WAY OR
WHO DID WHAT.
I WAS INTERESTED IN HOW IT
AFFECTS THE PEOPLE INVOLVED,
ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY'RE IN THEIR
80s AND ALONE ULTIMATELY AND
THEY THINK BACK ON THEIR LIVES,
THE CHOICES YOU MAKE IN LIFE,
THE CONSEQUENCES OF A LIFE.
SO THEREFORE, IF SOME OF THE
FACTS AREN'T QUITE RIGHT, THEN
IT REALLY IS MORE ABOUT THE
CHARACTERS UP FRONT IN A WAY.
THE REST IS JUST A BACKDROP.
YOU COULD TAKE THE GANGSTER
MILIEU AND YOU CAN MAKE IT
POLITICS, YOU CAN MAKE IT
BUSINESS.
>> I THINK WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE
THAT FOR REAL IN THIS COUNTRY.
>> EXACTLY.
>> Jimmy: THE GANGSTER MILIEU IS
ON CNN EVERY DAY.
>> EXACTLY.
EXACTLY.
WHO SAID WHAT, WHEN, WHERE.
>> Jimmy: YOU KNOW NEW YORK
MOBSTER STORIES.
ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE ONE ABOUT
TRUMP?
[ LAUGHTER ]
BY THE WAY, DE NIRO IS GREAT IN
THE MOVIE.
>> OH, HE IS.
>> Jimmy: AND HE IS IN -- HE'S
PRESENT IN 95% OF THE FILM.
>> YEAH.
>> Jimmy: HE'S REALLY IN THIS
ONE.
AND ALSO, THIS IS -- IT'S SO
HARD TO IMAGINE THAT THIS IS
YOUR FIRST TIME WORKING WITH AL
PACINO.
>> I MET AL IN 1970.
FRANCIS COPPOLA INTRODUCED ME TO
HIM.
BUT THEN AL DID GODFATHER 1,
THEN GODFATHER 2, AND HE'S IN
WITH LUMET AND SIDNEY POLLACK
AND HE'S LIKE IN THE
STRATOSPHERE.
I WAS STILL MAKING FILMS WITH MY
FRIENDS, BOB AND HARVEY AND A
COUPLE OF PEOPLE.
HE WAS NOT WITHIN MY REACH ANY
LONGER AND HE STARTED WORKING
WITH DEPALMA A LOT.
>> IDEA THAT NO ONE'S --
EVERYONE'S IN YOUR REACH.
I MEAN, REALLY.
>> SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT
FINALLY WE GET TOGETHER ON THIS
PROJECT AND BOB SAID AL WILL
PLAY JIMMY HOFFA.
I SAID OKAY.
SO WE MET WITH AL.
THIS IS ABOUT NINE YEARS AGO.
AND WE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT.
>> Jimmy: WOW.
>> YEAH.
WE TALKED TO HIM ABOUT IT.
AND HERE'S THE THING.
I NEVER WORKED WITH AL BEFORE
BUT DIANE HAD WORKED WITH HIM.
I ASKED BOB WHAT'S IT LIKE TO
WORK WITH HIM?
AND BOB GAVE ME SO CONCISE AND
ENLIGHTENED A REACTION.
HE SAID "HE'S GREAT.
YOU'LL SEE."
[ LAUGHTER ]
I SAID DOES HE -- "IT'S AL.
IT'S AL.
IT'S AL."
OKAY.
SO THE BIG THING WAS THAT HALF
THE PICTURE TAKES PLACE WHEN
THEY'RE YOUNGER.
BY THE TIME WE GOT THE FINANCING
FROM NETFLIX, BECAUSE NO ONE
WOULD GIVE US THE FINANCING FOR
THE PICTURE --
>> Jimmy: SO THEY WERE YOUR LAST
CHOICE?
>> THEY WERE MY FIRST CHOICE
BECAUSE NOBODY ELSE WOULD DO IT.
[ LAUGHTER ]
I SAID LOOK, OF A BUDGET BECAUSE
OF THE CGI EFFECTS.
WE WERE DOING THIS
YOUTHIFICATION.
>> Jimmy: RIGHT.
>> AND IT WAS AN EXPERIMENT.
THE WHOLE THING WAS AN
EXPERIMENT.
BECAUSE WE COULD NOT -- THERE
WAS A CERTAIN POINT AFTER WE
FINISHED THE SCRIPT THAT WE
COULD HAVE PROBABLY HAD THEM
PLAY YOUNGER BY WAITED TOO LONG,
I DID ANOTHER FILM.
HE DID ANOTHER FILM.
AND BY THE SOMETIME WE GOT
AROUND TOGETHER, THEY WERE TOO
OLD TO PLAY YOUNG.
[ LAUGHTER ]
SO WE WOUND UP DOING THIS CGI
THING WHICH WAS REALLY RE
REMARKABLE.
IT WAS PURELY EXPERIMENTAL.
>> Jimmy: HOW DOES IT WORK?
DO THEY HAVE TO DO ANYTHING
SPECIAL, THE ACTORS, TO --
>> NO.
EVERYTHING SPECIAL WAS DONE IN
THE PREP.
TONS OF PREPARATION WITH ILM
AND --
>> Jimmy: IS IT ONLY THEIR FACES
OR IS IT THEIR BODIES?
>> NO, IT'S THE BODIES TOO.
YOU SEE, THAT'S THE ISSUE.
WE EVEN HAD A STUNT POSTURE MAN
ON THE PICTURE.
LOOK SIT UP.
>> Jimmy: SOUNDS LIKE THE WORST
SUPERHERO EVER.
POSTURE MAN.
>> POSTURE MAN.
GARY.
GARY TAKEN.
HE WAS GREAT.
I'D SEE GARY TALKING, STRAIGHTEN
UP.
THE ONE THING WITH AL, THE
PICTURE STARTS SHOOTING AND IT
WAS A LONG SHOOT BECAUSE THE CGI
IS COMPLICATED.
EACH CAMERA HAS THREE LENSES ON
IT.
AND I WAS SHOOTING WITH TWO
CAMERAS.
SOMETIMES WE WERE CARRYING NINE
CAMERAS.
SO IT WAS COMPLICATED.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE SET THAT
MEANS.
AND I'M SHORT.
>> Jimmy: MM-HMM.
>> I CAN'T GET TO THE ACTORS.
THERE ARE THESE PEOPLE DOING
CAMERA.
SO WE HAVE AL, FIRST DAY OF
SHOOTING, WE'RE DOING A SCENE
WHERE AL IS SITTING IN A CHAIR,
HIS FAMILY IS WITH HIM, HE'S
WATCHING THE ELECTION RESULTS ON
TV.
ABOUT THE KENNEDYS.
AND HE'S REALLY ANGRY AT THE
KENNEDYS.
AND HE GETS UP AT ONE POINT, I
CAN'T WATCH THIS ANYMORE, HE
STORMS OUT.
AND I HAD TWO CAMERAS ON HIM.
AND RODRIGO PRITA'S MY CAMERA
MAN, DAVID BRESNAN, PABLO THE
CGI.
>> Jimmy: HE'S THE BEST.
>> YEAH.
GARY POSTURE --
>> Jimmy:'LL POSTURE GARY.
>> LET'S SHOOT.
TWO CAMERAS.
I'M LOOKING AT THE VIDEO LOOKING
AT AL.
AND IT WAS REALLY GOOD.
I SAID LET'S EMPHASIZE THIS BIT
A LITTLE MORE.
ONE MORE TIME.
FANTASTIC.
HE DOES IT AGAIN HE GETS UP HE
WALKS OUT.
I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT.
GOOD, I SAID.
RODRIGO WHY DON'T WE TRY TO GET
THE WIDER SHOT NOW?
HE SAID WE CAN'T GET THE WIDER
SHOT.
WHAT IS IT?
THEY ALL CAME UP TO ME LONG
FACES AND THEY SAID AL.
I SAID WHAT IS IT?
THEY SAID HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE
49.
I SAID HE'S -- AL'S 78.
>> Jimmy: YEAH.
>> AND HE HAD THE LITTLE DOTS ON
HIS FACE AND EVERYTHING.
BUT WHEN HE GETS UP HE'S
SUPPOSED TO BE 49.
>> Jimmy: AH.
>> AND SO I LOOKED AT THEM AND I
SAID YOU TELL HIM.
[ LAUGHTER ]
IT'S MY FIRST DAY WITH HIM.
40 YEARS AND I'VE GOT TO GO TELL
HIM.
>> Jimmy: AL, WE NEED YOU TO
SPRING UP.
>> SPRING UP THERE.
THEY SAID ALL RIGHT, I'LL TELL
HIM.
IS EVERYTHING OKAY?
YEAH, AL, YOU'RE GREAT.
YOU'RE TERRIFIC.
THE ONLY THING IS YOU'RE
SUPPOSED TO BE 49.
HE GOES, OH, GOD.
OH.
ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT, WE'RE
GOING TO TRY.
GARY WENT THERE, GOT HIM ALL SET
UP.
OKAY.
READY?
AND ACTION.
ONE MORE TIME.
AND WE DO IT, AND I LOOK AROUND
THE GUYS.
AND AL LOOKS UP AND SAYS, 62.
[ LAUGHTER ]
>> Jimmy: IT SEEMS LIKE A FAIR
COMPROMISE.
MARTIN SCORSESE IS HERE.
"THE IRISHMAN" IS HIS MOVIE.
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
>>> ONLY TWO PEOPLE IN THE WORLD
HAVE ONE OF THESE.
AND ONLY ONE OF THEM IS IRISH.
I HAVE ONE.
ANGELO HAS ONE.
NOW YOU HAVE ONE.
>> THIS IS BEAUTIFUL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY.
>> SLIP IT OUT.
SEE HOW IT LOOKS.
>> FEEL GOOD?
>> YEAH.
SEE HOW STRONG I MADE YOU?
YOU'RE MY KID.
>> THAT IS JOE PESCI AND ROBERT
DE NIRO AND MARTIN SCORSESE'S
"THE IRISHMAN."
DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN
THAT.
HOW DID YOU GET JOE PESCI, WHO
FAMOUSLY RETIRED, WHO DOESN'T
WANT TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN
PLAY GOLF?
>> WELL, NOW HE DENIED HE
RETIRED.
>> Jimmy: OH, HE'S NOW DENIED
THAT?
>> YES.
HE SAID HE JUST WASN'T WORKING.
[ LAUGHTER ]
BUT HE WAS VERY -- YOU KNOW, HE
BECAME RETICENT ABOUT THE WHOLE
SITUATION AND BOB WAS CALLING
HIM, AND WE HAD -- WE SAID COME
ON, AL'S GOING TO BE IN IT AND
BOB AND YOU.
HE SAID YEAH, BUT IT'S AGAIN A
GANGSTER THING, WE'VE DONE IT
BEFORE.
BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE
DIFFERENT.
HE WOULDN'T LISTEN REALLY.
AND EVENTUALLY, EVENTUALLY WHEN
NETFLIX CAME INTO THE PICTURE,
HE ACCEPTED THE CALLS.
>> Jimmy: OKAY.
>> AND HE TOOK THEM SERIOUSLY.
AND I LISTENED ABOUT ALL HIS
CONCERNS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I SAID, YES, BUT YOU HAVEN'T
READ IT YET.
AND BELIEVE ME, WHEN YOU READ
IT, THEN WE CAN DISCUSS IT
FURTHER.
ALL RIGHT, I'LL READ IT, OKAY.
AND EVENTUALLY WHAT HAPPENED IS
THAT WE GOT TOGETHER AND HE --
IT'S INTERESTING WITH JOE
BECAUSE IN A SUBJECT MATTER LIKE
THIS IN SOME CASES, A LITTLE
COMPLICATED, IN SOME CASES THE
SCRIPT IS WRITTEN ALMOST LIKE --
ZAI
ZAILLIAN WROTE THE SCRIPT OF
COURSE BUT I PUT IN A LITTLE
VOICE-OVER AND IT'S NOT
OBJECTIVE.
AND THAT KIND OF THREW HIM OFF.
HE HAS TO JUST BECOME THAT ROLE.
WHEN HE HAS TO BECOME THAT ROLE.
BUT IT HAS TO BE FROM THE
INSIDE.
NOT LIKE -- BRANT IS A WONDERFUL
WRITER.
AND HE'S AN INVESTIGATIVE
REPORTER TOO.
SO THERE IS THAT ESSENCE, A
FEELING OF SOMEBODY FROM THE
OUTSIDE TELLING A STORY.
IT'S GOT TO COME FROM THE
INSIDE.
AND HE HAD TO FIND HIS WAY
THROUGH THE -- HIS TRUTH.
THE STRAIGHT TRUTH OF THAT.
I SAID OKAY, LET'S JUST READ --
THEY SAID I DON'T WANT TO READ
IT.
I SAID YOU'VE GOT TO READ IT.
YOU'RE GOING TO CHANGE ALL THE
LINES ANYWAY.
FIRST YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW.
FIRST YOU'VE GOT TO KNOW WHAT
THE HELL THE SCENE'S ABOUT.
I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO HIM
BECAUSE HE'S THE GUY WHO CAME UP
WITH "WHAT, DO YOU THINK I'M
FUNNY?"
>> Jimmy: THAT'S THE MOST
SCARIEST AND MOST THRILLING --
>> I'M GOING TO LISTEN.
IT TOOK A LONG -- THEN WE
FINALLY GOT IT, WE FINALLY
WORKED ON IT WITH STEVE AND
BRANDT AND BOB AND EVERYBODY
TOGETHER.
WE EVEN GOT TO A REHEARSAL, A
SCENE WHERE HE'S FIXING THE
MOTOR.
WE HAD CHANGED THE DIALOGUE FOUR
OR FIVE TIMES FOR THAT SCENE.
AND SOMEHOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT
HAPPENED, BUT WE'RE IN REHEARSAL
WITH AN ACTUAL TRUCK.
WE'RE DOING IT IN FRONT OF THE
TRUCK.
SOMEHOW HE'S WORKING OUT WITH
THE MOTOR.
DE NIRO COMES BACK AND HE SAYS
THANKS A LOT, THANKS.
AND HE SHAKES HIS HAND.
AND DE NIRO SAYS -- HE SAYS
WHAT'S YOUR NAME?
AND DE NIRO SAYS FRANK SHARON.
AND THERE'S QUIET.
AND BOB GOES, WHAT'S YOURS?
AND JOE JUST LOOKS AT HIM AND
SAYS, WHERE ARE YOU FROM?
AND THAT WAS THE CHARACTER.
HE HAD THE AUTHORITY.
YOU KNEW THAT HE WAS A MAN WHO
WAS VERY POWERFUL.
HE SAID WHERE ARE YOU FROM?
HE SAID YOU KNOW, PHILADELPHIA.
HE SAID WHERE DO YOU HANG?
SUCH AND SUCH A PLACE.
HIBACHI COURT.
EVER PLAY BOCCE THERE.
AND THEN JOE THROWS IN YOU PLAY
BOCCE?
NO.
TAKE CARE OF THE MOTOR.
IT'S GOING TO GO ON YOU AGAIN.
IT WAS SO NATURAL.
AND THAT BECAME THE CHARACTER.
>> Jimmy: OVER A TRUCK.
>> YEAH.
>> Jimmy: BY THE WAY, RAY
ROMANO'S GREAT IN THE MOVIE.
>> OH, RAY IS FANTASTIC.
>> Jimmy: ISN'T HE TERRIFIC IN
THE MOVIE?
[ APPLAUSE ]
>> THIS GUY IS AMAZING.
>> Jimmy: JIM NORTON PLAYS DON
RICKLES.
AND THAT WAS A GREAT SCENE.
AND YOU KNOW, I KNEW DON VERY
WELL.
AND I FEEL LIKE IF HE'D SEEN
THAT HE WOULD BE SO MAD AT YOU.
HE'D BE FURIOUS.
BECAUSE LIKE WHY -- THAT'S ME.
SOMEBODY ELSE IS PLAYING ME.
>> WE HAD TO GET DON IN THE
FILM.
AND NORTON, THAT'S THE ACTUAL
DIALOGUE BASED ON CERTAIN
SOURCES, CERTAIN BOOKS, THAT'S
THE ACTUAL DIALOGUE THAT NIGHT
OF HIS ACT.
HE SAID I MAKE FUN OF EVERYONE.
HE SAYS ITALIANS.
NOT THOSE ITALIANS.
THAT'S WHEN JOEY GALLO PRETENDED
TO THROW THE BOTTLE AT HIM.
DON'T SHOOT, DON'T SHOOT.
>> Jimmy: I'VE HEARD HIM TELL
THAT STORY AND IT IS EXACTLY AS
I IMAGINED IT WOULD BE IN THE
FILM.
>> WE HAD TO HAVE IT END THERE.
>> Jimmy: WELL, YOU DID THE
RIGHT THING.
WHETHER HE LIKES IT OR NOT.
WELL, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU
HERE.
>> THANK YOU.
>> Jimmy: THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
COMING.
THE MOVIE IS FANTASTIC.
IT'S CALLED "THE IRISHMAN."
IT'S IN THEATERS NOW.
ON NETFLIX NOVEMBER 27th.
MARTIN SCORSESE, EVERYBODY.