Every time you buy milk, you're paying someone to rape a cow.
What the fuck has veganism got to do with racism?
Nike literally took Black British culture
and used it to try and make as much money as possible.
Mate, what planet are you on?
In 2018, no single human needs an animal product to survive.
There's a lot of kids that are waking up to this fact.
This is, like, a movement,
and there's going to be a bunch of people that are lagging behind.
If you want to be at the forefront
of actual progressive thinking, then you know where to come.
It's a fad, not a movement.
It's a...yeah.
Is racism a fad as well?
What the fuck has veganism got to do with racism?
Essentially this is speciesism.
You're abusing...
You're abusing and...
I think what you said is really offensive
and quite disgusting, actually.
It's almost kind of like saying that
we've got equality for black and brown people now
so yeah, of course we've got to have the cows and the sheep.
What is that saying about people of colour and the position of society,
that you yourself view us in?
I think that's an appalling point of view.
You would go and rape the cow yourself, would you?
Fraser, would you do that?
You can't...
What a weird question.
Nobody is... I'm not paying anyone to rape cows.
Every time you buy milk, you're paying someone to rape a cow.
No, you are not.
Every time you buy milk, you're asking someone to rape a cow.
You are commissioning the rape of a cow.
No. OK.
but a rape commissioner...
I think it's important that we don't use the word rape...
..to apply it to...
..to the artificial insemination...
ALL TALK AT ONCE
Do you... OK, do you...
Do you understand, do you know the cow is locked in a cage?
The cow is locked in a cage...
I saw this stuff going on.
So what are you saying, you're desensitised to it?
No.
So you're more offended by the language by the actual murder
and rape of these animals?
Come on. I'm sorry, mate. I'm going to take you down one day
to a women's shelter where people have been abused, raped,
and you can sit there and you can say that to those women's faces.
And then we'll have a conversation there.
It's all well and good you saying this in your little vegan bubble,
but when you're faced with people
whose lives have been destroyed by rape and domestic violence
and you want to sit there telling them that their experience
is similar to some cow in a field?
That's a level of arrogance I haven't even come across.
No, it shows your lack of respect for actual sentient beings.
No, it shows YOUR lack of respect for women, that's what it shows.
I think it's possible to have a more ethical consumption of meat
without it necessarily being cruel.
I'm very comfortable with killing animals in order to eat them.
You are comfortable with that?
Very comfortable with killing animals in order to eat them.
I think that industrial farming is definitely exploitative
and is bad for the environment and does need to be reformed.
But I don't think it needs to be cut out 100%.
I'm all for freedom and liberation
but when it comes to the systemic abuse of sentient beings,
I think we need to start questioning when there are alternatives
which are actually better for us as people
and better for our spirits and our minds and our souls
and the future of humanity.
That's why I think... I think that we should be non-carnivores.
Why is it any of your business
whether what we eat is healthy or not?
Because everyone's connected.
but what about everyone else?
If people want to eat Turkey Twizzlers, that's their business.
Leave them alone.
I think we've evolved and you guys are living in the past
because of your taste buds
and because of your, like, inability to order an almond milk.
What?
Well, it doesn't go with my tea very well, I'll tell you that.
I acknowledge that my views on this topic are quite extreme,
but I think for us to dismantle a system that's gone too far,
we have to take extreme measures.
I don't really mind if
Justin Timberlake dances like Michael Jackson
or Eminem raps or white hippies dread their hair.
But Nike literally took grime MCs,
it took sports athletes
and it took the cultures that have come out of urban areas of Britain,
particularly London, and used it
to try to make as much money as possible.
I think there's a kind of blind spot
around when culture is actually appropriated for profit.
Not by people who like art or music or style,
but by institutions that want to make a quick buck
out of something that has come out of communities,
out of societies, that has come out of culture. Right?
And I think that's the real cultural appropriation
that we should be battling.
Weirdly, I'm going to disagree with you on this a bit, Adam,
because I do feel like grime has...
Even though there's a whole thing about it being underground,
it has always been aspirational in that way
and essentially quite pro-capitalist.
We can end up patronising people
in a way which makes me feel uncomfortable around this.
I don't think anyone owns culture, that's the thing.
You can't really say that someone owns this
and someone else is stealing it.
You know, big companies, whether it's Nike or the record labels,
they see this stuff and are like,
"Shit, that's the new thing, we want some of that."
I think that the conversation of cultural appropriation
actually benefits a divisive culture way more
than it benefits a united human front.
If you want to live in a world that is, like, apartheid-era,
then that's, like, that's the direction that you're taking it in
if you're not going to let white girls wear dreads
or if you're not going to let someone else wear a bindi.
I think there's more attention to these little things
that are kind of annoying and maybe a bit funny
and don't really look very good on...white people,
but I think it's not where the real kind of problems lie,
do you know what I'm saying?
It does actually worry me a little bit
that we're quite happy to say that there are certain practices
that belong to black people and that belong to white people.
That's not how I want to see the world.
I think we should be challenging racial divisions,
not reinforcing them.
London isn't just Black British culture.
I mean, there's Bristol, there's Manchester, there's Leeds,
there's Birmingham, there's Leicester...
And it just goes into that whole conversation of, like,
only black people exist in London, we don't exist anywhere else
like the Midlands, do you know what I mean?
It's also something that's
fundamentally lacking in representation.
If we're talking about London as a whole
there was very little representation of any other colours of skin
other than black or white.
London is also one of the queerest places in the world
and there was no...
..representation of anything that looked even marginally, like,
alternative in that sense.
For me, it wasn't necessarily the most relatable advert in the world.
Problem is, it is not the job of advertising
to represent anyone or anything other than the company...
ALL INTERRUPT
That's the... You know, that's their job.
There's a lot more to people of colour than grime music as well
and I think they went very specifically for
selling working class back to the working class,
and have mind manipulated loads of people into thinking it's for them,
but you know...
And could a lot of the people who are living on the estates
afford their trainers in the first place?
We can all...sit with our little checkbox and be upset
that our group hasn't been included or whatever
but it's not, you know...
At some point, you've got to realise that...
Everyone wants THEIR thing represented,
that's what I find interesting.
Dump your TV, buy a mirror, I'd say.
Dump the TV, buy a mirror!
It is interesting to see my world on TV,
but maybe not to sell me a product, not to maximise profits.
Come on, man. We can do better than that.